<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On 27 Aug 2008, at 4:09 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Jeff wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 27 Aug 2008, at 10:21 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Jeff <<A href="mailto:jeff@wildcoast.com">jeff@wildcoast.com</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Why? What's wrong with writing the image to a DVD?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Don't worry about the CD :-)</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">But I do. I'm worried that you may be applying first world standards and<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">expect the deployment sites to run off and download, oh for example,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Java, GCC, and a bunch of other essential tools, whereas the install<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">distro should include them as a matter of course.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On what is more or less a pre-configured setup? Why, what is missing<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">from the stock build?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I don't know yet. I'm busy downloading the ISO on an Edge connection. 6h45 remaining, and about half my cap : ( </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>My knee-jerk was why the install image should be restricted to a single CD.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Compiling should never be done on a server IMHO that is what your<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">workstation is for. If the server was cracked, I'm not going to give it<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">more tools to do more damage.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Fair point. </DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So I'm asking again: why a single CD? This isn't Ubuntu shipping off a<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">million copies of the latest distro for free, so why the self-imposed<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">minimalist constraint?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Once the rpm is cleaned up I can see it becoming part of fedora much<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">like what LTSP has done. This is a "spin" of fedora, not a distro, your<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">free to install what you like, but that is your choice, not everybody's.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>That makes sense, thanks. but unless I misunderstand, there are 2 things going on here:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>1. a live/install image with FC7 and OLPC/XS packages preselected</DIV><DIV>2. separate OLPC/XS rpm packages which will be downloadable from Fedora or OLPC repositories</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>I still don't see the point of being restricted to CD when that means throwing out packages which may (or may not) be useful on school servers in remote areas.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>OTOH access to package repositories could be a regionalized function along with the provision of library material, I guess.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Sorry if I'm OT: my main interest is content and use case scenarios for XS-XO deployments which can also be implemented for the current rollout of NetDay servers in SA. Kind of a dual purpose mission. Can't seem to find much on the wiki about the XS Library, though. (Pointers will be much appreciated.) </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Anyway. I hope I can help out here somewhere, somehow.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV>--</DIV><DIV>Jeff Brown</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cell: 074-101 5170 / Fax: 086-532 3508</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Masimanyane Mussel Rehabilitation and</DIV><DIV>Masande Nursery ~ Nutritional Projects</DIV><DIV>C O F F E E B A Y ~ W I L D C O A S T</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>++</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Website: <A href="http://www.wildcoast.com">www.wildcoast.com</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Blog: <A href="http://www.wildcoast.com/jeff">www.wildcoast.com/jeff</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">8< -- </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Do not believe in miracles -- rely on them.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV></SPAN><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>