[Server-devel] [XSCE] RE: [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline - DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC

Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer gagnonje at gmail.com
Sat Jun 13 22:24:52 EDT 2015


Hi Anish

Could you clarify what is different in that way of doing things, compared
to the old way (which would essentially take weeks to generate?). I know
it's just a small country, compared to the planet, but what else is
significantly different?

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Anish Mangal <anishmg at umich.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Following from the skype call this week, I uploaded Nepal's OSM data in
> postgres and render tiles to see performance, and as expected, everything
> is blazing fast.
>
> The pbf file went into the postgress in less than 5 minutes, and tiles are
> being rendered pretty fast as well.
>
> You can check it yourself by going to
> http://home.braddock.com:28112/osm/slippymap.html
>
> * Select Mapnik
> * Zoom out and center over Nepal
> * Select Local tiles
> * Zoom in
>
> I don't know what this "proves" as the bottleneck still is doing this for
> the entire planet, which we need to figure out a way for anyway.
>
> Best,
> Anish
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Anish Mangal <anishmg at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jérôme,
>>
>> I incorporated one of your comments; as for the other I think Timm, Nick
>> would be better suited for the discussion (python backend v/s frontend js).
>> :-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Anish
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer <gagnonje at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anish
>>>
>>> Great document. I've added 2 comments to the document, feel free to
>>> incorporate into the document if that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Also added a TODO for myself to do more research about the various
>>> search solutions.
>>> I've used Nominatim in the past (on the client side, not the server
>>> infrastructure) and it was overall very good, but I'll want to know more
>>> about the other ones.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tim Moody <tim at timmoody.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Anish for an excellent start at getting this down on paper (so
>>>> to speak).  I think this covers things pretty well and gives us the
>>>> necessary hooks on which to hang the details as we begin fleshing out
>>>> solutions to the requirements you documented.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Under issues I added one point about rendering non-Roman character sets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* unleashkids at googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>>> unleashkids at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anish Mangal
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 12:15 PM
>>>> *To:* Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to help AT
>>>> laptop.org
>>>> *Cc:* Unleash Kids!; server-devel; xsce-devel; iaep; Internet In a Box
>>>> Working Group; Jaakko Helleranta
>>>> *Subject:* [UKids] Re: [support-gang] Taking OpenStreetMap Offline -
>>>> DESIGN Call - Thur June 11, 10AM EDT / 2PM UTC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay, so I tried to encapsulate whatever we discussed into a design
>>>> document, which can hopefully serve as a base for reaching out to the OSM
>>>> community and to better organize our own thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit#
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LWsN-cPH3lvMuXS-f0Tk8IWVh-3X808WoIt0OJ-QNt8/edit>
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to edit the information there as I may have missed
>>>> some points, or interpreted them differently than as intended.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Anish
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Who's attending http://stateofthemap.us at the UN in NYC this weekend?
>>>>
>>>> Who's most serious about bringing OpenStreetMap's opportunities and
>>>> rapid progress into the hands of the world's offline poor -- kids and all,
>>>> American and Swahili?  Wanna Take This Map Outside, offline and off the
>>>> grid, where we all belong/began?
>>>>
>>>> http://Internet-in-a-Box.org and similar efforts have made a gigantic
>>>> 1st step: in Ghana and Rwanda I could never have imagined better reviews to
>>>> our 2015 deployments begun there in recent months.  Many are now changing
>>>> the game increasingly for the Bottom BillionS, among many who've literally
>>>> never seen a globe before, nevermind a map of their own towns.  Both in
>>>> OLPC (school) contexts, in libraries, on Nepali hillsides where folks don't
>>>> have proper homes, and far beyond --- perspectives (literally) are about to
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>> But modern phones today contain more than enough gigabytes to display
>>>> ALL OpenStreetMap map detail within most countries, and yet they do not
>>>> yet, WHY?  Where are the Khan Academies and KA Lites of OSM (OpenStreetMap)
>>>> bringing new classroom/journalistic rubrics, freeing everyone's "brain
>>>> software" to explore and document our own communities in our own languages?
>>>>
>>>> *Who Will Take The Next Steps?*
>>>> *What engineering middleware, distribution vectors, community/economic
>>>> models, and final field packagings will get us all there & beyond?*
>>>>
>>>> *Will offline edit-contributions prove impossible, much like with
>>>> Wikipedia in Peru, when offline kids edit overly stale
>>>> OpenStreetMap/Wikipedia images a year before/later?*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As such the wider OLPC community is hosting a DESIGN Call to bring
>>>> forward ideas across the OpenStreetMap landscape, fertilizing our immediate
>>>> work with school server projects like http://schoolserver.org,
>>>> http://xsce.org, https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e
>>>> ETC.  Ministries of Education in India elsewhere are watching closely,
>>>> expressly eager to help if we can point the way.  All giving our "2020
>>>> Vision" questions very practical and immediate "customers" well before
>>>> 2020, much like Garmin GPS units fed a wonderful ecosystem of geo-specific
>>>> "gmapsupp.img" offline map files over the past decade:
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download
>>>>
>>>> That decade's now done: what IS our framework for the coming decade?
>>>> Please join us if you have strategic/partnership ideas towards making
>>>> Offline OSM Designs happen, *Thank You !!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 10AM New York Time / 2PM UTC
>>>>
>>>> Thursday, June 11th
>>>>
>>>> RSVP with your Skype username, if we are more than 15-20 we'll use an
>>>> industrial conference call system instead!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CONCLUSION: Could OpenStreetMap be the very ultimate in Constructionist
>>>> Learning Projects, replacing OLPC in coming years, on a quickly
>>>> shrinking/endangered but still green-in-parts planet?  Regardless, how to
>>>> build the OLPC Movement's offline/civic learning successes, consciously
>>>> learning from its community infrastructural mistakes?  Nick Doiron (
>>>> http://mapmeld.com) and Anish Mangal (
>>>> https://in.linkedin.com/in/anishmangal) who've spent years thinking
>>>> about this topic will lead the discussion, agenda is entirely yours!
>>>> OPTIONAL: submit agenda items in advance right here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6QtzLb6e58YKWqMf_junux2XyBRLFm31un8YLcYslg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *< forward invitation to Twitter/wherever as appropriate >*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer
>>>
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