[Server-devel] XS to become XSCE???

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 12:19:30AM -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-08-05 at 09:51 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:16 AM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 10:13:25PM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote:
> > >> Just noticed that on
> > >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software_0.7 it says that
> > >> stable version is XS 0.7 and unstable is XSCE 0.3
> > >>
> > >> Is this correct?
> > >
> > > What you see is from the template page Latest Releases and occurs on
> > > every Wiki page that includes that template.  So the fact that it is
> > > on XS_Installing_Software_0.7 is not unusual, because that page
> > > includes the template.
> > >
> > > The template edits that led to this are here:
> > >
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Template:Latest_Releases/XS-devel&diff=287052&oldid=266082
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Template:Latest_Releases/XS-devel&diff=287053&oldid=287052
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Template:Latest_Releases/XS-devel&diff=287329&oldid=287053
> > >
> > 
> > Thanks for the links. Makes it clearer.
> > 
> > >> Is XSCE to become XS 0.8? I am all in favor of the two projects
> > >> merging, but as I understand it, XS and XSCE are two very
> > >> *different* projects as of now. Some clarification would be great!
> > >
> > > I don't see any indication on the template to suggest that XSCE will
> > > become XS, but I do see "Server" software now includes xs-0.7 as
> > > stable, and XSCE 0.3 as unstable.
> > >
> > > I don't see any unstable version of xs-, and I don't see any stable
> > > version of XSCE.  I'd like to see both.  The former would indicate
> > > ongoing development of xs- and the latter would indicate finalisation
> > > of XSCE.
> > >
> > 
> > Correct, but as it is represented now, XS will become XSCE, which is
> > incorrect. As a customer, I consider XS and XSCE to be two different
> > products. The XS is a product from OLPC. XSCE is a product (not
> > production ready, but still a product) from the "community" (double
> > quotes intended). Although the XSCE may very well be a fork of the XS,
> > it has its own specs and a set of developers working on it. I am one
> > of the few who use XSCE on a 1.75 in one of my projects. I also use XS
> > 0.7 in three other projects. My reasonings for choosing one over the
> > other are distinct. So, I do not appreciate the confusion.
> > 
> > Mixing the two is misleading. XS 0.7 may very well be end of the line,
> > or there may be a 0.8, but that's up to OLPC to decide, and not for
> > XSCE to usurp. After all, AU has a server. 
> 
> As the developer of that AU version, lots of my code and ideas when on
> to become what is XS-0.7 thanks to dsd. Still think imitation is the
> highest form of flattery.

Indeed.

> 
> >  So does Nepal. So does
> > Uruguay. So does Activity Central. We don't see those listed on the
> > template now, do we? If this was out of a misunderstanding, it needs
> > to be corrected. If this injection was deliberate, then it was foolish
> > at best.
> > 
> > It's a shame how much obfuscation has creeped into this space. Let's
> > be clear about what the XS is and what the XSCE is and move on.
> > 
> 
> Yes, lets be clear here, is OLPC going to maintain 0.7 going forward? I
> asking if OLPC is going to maintain their forked ejabberd rpm and not
> rely on exclude=ejabberd in the yum repo files?

There are no plans at the moment for OLPC to develop and release
xs-0.8, but this may change if a deployment comes to us with a need.

That there is a deployment contributing to XSCE is certainly good to
keep in mind and recognise.  There may be more versions of XSCE
released than XS, but that's not a technical problem.

> This there going to be a 0.8? When? and by who? We don't need to
> duplicate efforts here.
> 
> Jerry  
> 
> 
> 

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/