[OLPC-Peru] [Sur] Windows en OLPC XO Peru

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Daniel Ajoy <da.ajoy en gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:06:43 -0500, Walter Bender <walter.bender en gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can install both Java and Adobe Flash on Linux systems as well as
>> Windows systems, so it is a misleading to argue that is a reason to
>> switch to Windows. What would be a helpful exercise would be to
>> itemize those Windows programs that are missing from the Linux
>> repertoire that are essential to learning. Perhaps we can work on FOSS
>> ports so that we can "eat our cake and have it too."
>
> En la practica casi no importa qué se *podría* instalar en las laptops sino qué *viene* instalado en las laptops.
>
> La otra cuestión es: ¿necesitan los maestros YouTube?
> Mi respuesta es: no sé.
>
> Sólo sé que es una de las pocas cosas que he leido que piden.
>
> Creo que no estoy equivocado al resumir que el uso que se les da a las laptops es:
>
> * Los niños navegan y descargan cosas.
> * Los maestros piden a los niños hacer actividades con Write y Paint.
>
> (Me gustaría que Logo pudiese cambiar esta situación un poco ya que varios maestros fueron entrenados en el uso de Logo en América Latina, quizá ellos podrían ayudar a resucitar algo de esa cultura)
>
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> In practice it doesn't matter much what *could* be installed in the laptops, but what *comes* preinstalled with the laptops.
>
> The other issue is: do teachers need YouTube?
>
> My answer is: I don't know.
>
> I just know that that is one of the few things they have asked for.
>
> I don't think I'm mistaken it summarizing the use of the laptops in this way:
>
> * children surf and download
> * Teachers ask students to work with Write and Paint.
>
> (I wish Logo could change this situation a bit because a few teachers were trained in using Logos in Latinamerica, so they could help resurrect some of that culture)
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>
>> Regarding Logo, there is a great Logo environment being developed by
>> Brian Harvey for Sugar.
>
> That would indeed be a great addition.
>
> Daniel
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I don't understand the point you are trying to make re Java and Flash.
If the MoE thinks it is important, they are welcome preinstall these
tools regardless of Windows vs Linux. But you raise it as an issue in
a discussion about Windows on the Laptop, as if it is an advantage to
running Windows.

In regard to your characterization of what the children are currently
doing with the laptops, I have seen much richer interactions, but more
important than what they are doing now, we should be asking, what will
they be doing 6 months from now? 6 years from now? How will the
freedom to appropriate they learning experience and learning platform
impact their long-term opportunities? How will the dependence on
proprietary tools impact their ability to become entrepreneurial in
their thinking and their actions?

And again I ask, what are great tools that are missing in the
GNU/Linux world we should be making available?

regards.

-walter