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power can a human put out

How many watts can a typical person put out?

There is no rock solid data for this answer, but from my experience,
someone above 12 years old, and rarely exercises can generate power up
to about 50 Watts for about 20 minutes.  On the other hand,
professional bike riders can put out 300 to 500 Watts for an hour.
Results will vary with age and agility.

The bike stand can be built locally. Alternators from junked cars are
the cheapest. Lawn mower batteries are much cheaper than car batteries
in the US, but local conditions will vary. Batteries from junked cars
might be cheap. The design recommends a 2 farad power capacitor, which
sells for $45 in the US. I don't know where one might find them used.
But it should be possible for students to make them out of thin sheet
metal and some non-conducting spacer material and housing material.
Adequate shielding, please.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Holden Bonwit <hbonwit04 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Couple comments here:
>
> 1) Can I just mention how much more daunting it is to think about recharging
> a car battery with a little bike dynamo, than it is to charge the XO laptop
> battery that is just 6 little cells?  It makes me not want to pedal.

This is a Tom Sawyer moment. Make it a privilege for the children to pedal.

> 2) The less hardware the better.  This keeps cost and complexity down, both
> of which are important, in my opinion for this type of project.  Not having
> a battery was one of my soft requirements (the guys down at the shop already
> recommended this -- probably because it's the right answer), both for
> computer speakers to be powered (mp3 or walkman audio input, but cycle
> power) and for the XO charger.
>
> 3) Everyone's doubting that charging by cycle makes sense, but here's how I
> see it: The laptop (currently) consumes in the neighborhood of 6 Watts.  My
> bicycle
> alternator puts out 6 Watts.  I think a 1:1 ratio is pretty good.  If we put
> 2 dynamos on that maybe goes to 2:1 and I'm even happier.  But I've got to
> think that someone would want a simple solution like this.  I'm living in a
> town of millions right now (Meerut, UP, India) and we lose power daily (12
> hours or so).  Power is an issue, and with the growing population here in
> India, and additional consumption per-person average (cell phones, anyone?),
> it is only going to become a bigger issue.  The state is clearly behind on
> this, and so there are two options: private enterprise power solutions and
> personal / self-ingenuity solutions.  For the less wealthy, these personal
> solutions are going to become more appealing.  </rant>
>
> Turns out the larger bicycle dynamo / alternator is not to be found, I'm
> considering it word-of-mouth vaporware.
>
> I leave on Sunday and so I hope someone else can try the multiple-dynamo
> with multiple-rectifier setup that has been discussed.  In India, your local
> electronics shop should be able to make this for 100 or 200 Rupees.  I'll
> put some schematics on the wiki page.
>
> -Holden
>
> ==
> Holden Bonwit
> hbonwit at alumni.nd.edu
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Nick Foster <bistromath at gmail.com>
> To: Justin McAllister <mcallister at avinc.com>
> Cc: Holden Bonwit <hbonwit at alumni.nd.edu>; richard at laptop.org;
> arjunsarwal at gmail.com; peripherals at lists.laptop.org; Paul Yarin
> <yarin at blackdust.com>; Tara Chklovski <tara.chklovski at gmail.com>; Mike
> Simpson <mikebsimpson at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:05:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Charging the XO off a bicycle dynamo
>
> I am going to run with Justin's suggestion of using a battery, since I
> believe it to be the most practical solution to your charging woes. So
> everything below assumes you can find a battery.
>
> It can be dangerous (and certainly damaging to the battery) to charge a
> lead-acid battery without a charging system protecting it, as Justin hinted
> above, unless you can be sure that your generator when unloaded will never
> output more than 14.5V. I understand that the generator will provide quite a
> bit more voltage when unloaded. That said, a battery would provide a good
> source for the OLPC to charge from, and you should not need inductors
> filtering anything out, since the impedance of the battery itself is pretty
> dang low. But they wouldn't hurt, either. If you were to create a simple
> battery-protection circuit (undervoltage and overvoltage) and ride with the
> generator charging the battery at all times, you wouldn't have to cart the
> OLPC around while developing the power to charge it later; for instance,
> ride to school, ride home, plug in, charge. Practically speaking, this might
> be the most feasible solution to powering the laptop in the field since it
> doesn't require carting the OLPC with you everywhere and allows you to
> charge at your leisure. Additionally, a circuit similar to the voltage
> regulator on your car would cut out the generator when the battery is
> charged, reducing the pedaling effort of the rider since the generator would
> then be unloaded. My old college electronics prof would say such a circuit
> would be WICKED CHEEP to implement. It's just an ON-OFF regulator.
>
> Since, as mentioned earlier in the discussion, it takes a heck of a lot of
> pedaling to charge the OLPC completely, you would eventually develop an
> energy deficit in the lead-acid battery (more charging than pedaling) and it
> would go dead on you. LA batteries do not like to be stored empty for any
> length of time (the plates will sulfate and the battery will eventually fail
> to charge and discharge). Thus, some sort of indication of battery life
> might be useful. This might be a chicken-and-egg problem, but Holden, you
> have been using the oscilloscope feature of the OLPC to measure voltages;
> this facility could be very easily harnessed to determine the approximate
> charge state of a lead-acid battery. Of course, this presumes that the
> laptop isn't already dead!
>
> I don't know how cheap motorcycle batteries (or other small LA batteries)
> are in other countries. The OLPC batteries are specified as 16.5W-h (NiMH)
> or 22W-h (LiFeP); I don't know which one yours has. To fully charge an OLPC
> from a fully-charged LA battery, given reasonable conversion losses and
> safety margins, you would want a battery of at least 4 amp-hours; motorcycle
> batteries are typically 12 amp-hours, so you could get away with something
> significantly smaller, if available locally. UPS backup batteries and home
> alarm system batteries are the first things that come to mind, sources which
> probably aren't too common in rural areas of developing countries! But if
> you know of cheap local sources or surplus batteries, this solution might
> work.
>
> Richard's point about using a full-wave bridge rectifier is spot-on; doing
> so will double the power output of your generator but will not increase the
> voltage output. That would be a good first step to take.
>
> --n
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Justin McAllister <mcallister at avinc.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Some ideas:
>>
>> If you can't get a bigger dynamo, you may be able to make what you have
>> work.  You'll need 3x rectifiers (for 3 dynamos) and probably some more
>> filtering (the more the better for this type of thing).  Feed each of the
>> dynamos through the rectifier and combine at the capacitors.  That way each
>> you'll be combining rectified AC (all positive voltages) and if the signals
>> are out of phase they'll just help to decrease your ripple.  Also if the
>> 8712 is getting really hot it may be going into thermal shutdown.  You can
>> usually combine them in parallel to spread the thermal load, and, of course,
>> you can add heat sinks.  However, if your 12V dynamos are only putting out
>> 12V, once you rectify you're dangerously close to the 11V lower end of the
>> XO requirement, so this *may* never work.  Enter idea #2:
>>
>> Now that I'm reading the specs, another thought might be to use 2 dynamos
>> in series.  Rectify the individual outputs, then put the negative terminal
>> of one as your ground, connect +/- of the other, and use the + of the the
>> other as +V.  Since the OLPC can take up to 25V, you may be able to feed it
>> a higher voltage easier than you can up the current. This will also help to
>> make sure you're above the 11V threshold. If you do this you'll want a
>> higher voltage regulator or you'll still just be wasting that extra power.
>> Also if you do this be careful with the polarity of the electrolytic caps.
>>
>> One final thought is to run this whole system from a 12V
>> (car/truck/rv/boat) battery, charged by the dynamos.  This is equivalent to
>> just putting super-mega-ultracaps on your rectifier, but the point is that
>> the average current draw will come from the battery mainly, then you'll
>> mostly be charging the battery from the dynamo(s).  There are some extra
>> losses involved here and I hope Mr. Foster will correct me if this is a
>> stupid idea, but I think it will provide a more consistent source for the XO
>> charging.  If you go this route you'll probably want to put a pair of
>> inductors on the leads going to the XO, with a cap on the XO side of the
>> inductors.  The idea behind that is the XO proabably wants a fairly constant
>> charging current, which the inductors will help maintain, even as the
>> voltage on the battery has noise on it. You may be able to go without the
>> regulator, since the XO can handle 25V the system should never get close to
>> that and the battery probably won't care unless you're charging with more
>> than 14.5V. Safety note: anytime you charge a lead-acid battery that's not
>> sealed make sure you do so with adequate ventilation, since the battery will
>> off-gas if slightly overcharged.
>>
>> That's about $0.40 more than you proabably wanted, but good luck.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Holden Bonwit wrote:
>>
>> Updates will now occur on the wiki at the following section:
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Battery_and_power#Practical_trials
>>
>> Please contribute if you can, by posting there, or replying to me.
>>
>> And please let me know if my wiki updates are not proper in any way,
>>
>> -Holden
>>
>> ==
>> Holden Bonwit
>> hbonwit at alumni.nd.edu
>
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