<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Really???<div><br></div><div>I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to community members for travel advances...</div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:<br><b><br></b></div><div><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><b>Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in </b></span><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><b>democratic decision making</b></span>.</b><br></span><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><div><br></div><div>Laura V<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.</div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-walter</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.<span><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such matters.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></span></div><div dir="auto">A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dont Google pay for the travels? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such comments on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with the US embassy. </div><span><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the <span class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350money">$627.05</span> personal loan he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><i>It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible things in his life.</i></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto">Thanks for this note.</div><div><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565h5"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969elided-text"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <<a href="mailto:lionel.laske@gmail.com" target="_blank">lionel.laske@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before voting.</div><div>In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".</div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> Lionel.</div><div><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350elided-text">2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tabitha@tabitha.net.nz" target="_blank">tabitha@tabitha.net.nz</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350elided-text"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I think Sugar Labs should</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"> approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for Samson Goddy.</span><span class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350m_666142268879612715HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><font style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:13.696px">Tabitha</span></div></font><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350m_666142268879612715h5">On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-m_108536928923210565m_1490777215022227969m_6869648468703463350m_666142268879612715h5"><div dir="ltr">I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so please respond ASAP.<div><br></div><div>Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be negligible.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:accounting@sfconservancy.org" target="_blank">accounting@sfconservancy.org</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM<br>Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)<br>To: <a href="mailto:sugar@sfconservancy.org" target="_blank">sugar@sfconservancy.org</a><br>Cc: Martin Michlmayr <<a href="mailto:gsoc@sfconservancy.org" target="_blank">gsoc@sfconservancy.org</a>>, Samson Goddy <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br>Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the all caps section below.<br>
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Samson,<br>
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Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:<br>
> it has been 5 days, i already made request to <a href="mailto:sugar@sfconservancy.org" target="_blank">sugar@sfconservancy.org</a> for<br>
> funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy to<br>
> accept appointment for interview.<br>
><br>
> I haven't heard anything from both parties.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to<br>
approve the expense. I don't know why they haven't replied.<br>
<br>
SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:<br>
<br>
FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS<br>
FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT<br>
2017). The totals are as follows:<br>
<br>
If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)<br>
<br>
If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired.<br>
wire fees<br>
<br>
If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we<br>
can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.<br>
<br>
<br>
We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort for<br>
us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as<br>
it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.<br>
<br>
Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals<br>
above, please correct them.<br>
<br>
Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this request,<br>
could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are<br>
still correct, and if not, send me new ones?<br>
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