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Si, Caryl, dan ganas de llorar a veces, pero hay adelantos en las escuelas del Uruguay, los maestros suman y suman, sus esfuerzos, sus ganas y su involucramiento. No se si la gente que trabaja en secundaria tiene tantos elementos para juzgar las acciones de los maestros de Primaria, cuando ellos tienen que correr de un sitio a otro...lamentable.<br>Me alegro de comunicarme nuevamente contigo Caryl.!!<br>Saludos cordiales, Rosamel<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: caryl@laptop.org<br>To: olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org<br>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:27:59 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Sur] [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote<br><br>
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¡Hola!<div><br></div><div>Cuando leí la cuenta de Ana sobre la maestra usando el raton como teledirigido, reí... pero quise llorar también. Lo que Ana ha dicho es tan verdad. Es triste, pero muchos, en verdad la mayoria de maestros faltan suficiente conociementos sobre tecnología. Por eso Sugar Labs nescesita pagar más attención a la nescesidad de explicar en palabras no muy technicas y dar entrenamiento que puede ser divirtido y no amenizar. </div><div><br></div><div>Carolina</div><div><br></div><div>Hi!</div><div>When I read Ana's story about the teacher using the mouse as a TV remote, I laughed... but I wanted to cry too. What Ana said is so true. It is sad, but many, in truth the majority of teachers lack sufficient knowledge about technology. Because of this Sugar Labs needs to pay more attention to the meed to explain things in non-technical language and give training that can be interesting and non-threatening.</div><div><br></div><div>Caryl</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:14:59 -0200<br>From: ana.cichero@gmail.com<br>CC: olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org; argentina@lists.laptop.org; somosazucar@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; olpcpuno@gmail.com<br>Subject: Re: [Sur] [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote<br><br>(Text in spanish is below)<br><br>I ve been reading this thread that is spread on several lists. <br><br>For those who don t know me, I actually am a teacher in uruguayan public high school and worked using 1:1 during all 2010 and probably next 2012 will work once more on the 1:1 courses.<br>
<br>I think that teachers are getting closer to technology in a slow process. <br>We must be patient and just keep on doing and looking at sugar that is really doing things right. <br><br>I am writing this from buenos aires -argentina- where I came for an ex highschool mates meeting.<br>
This is important because in that meeting, I was yesterday night talking to the actual <span class="ecxst">General Manger Southern Cone District at Intel;</span> Esteban, about teachers and 1:1 deployments, and he told me that he saw a teacher trying to use the mouse as a remote control.<br>
It was not an xo but a classmate and sugar was not at all involved.<br><br>The point about teachers and technology is not an inner problem of the sugar project. It is a shared problem with all the people involved in the 1:1 educational mode.<br>
<br>Sugarlabs is not at all to blame for failing in getting teachers more
involved, my feeling is that sugar developers are very kind an open to
teachers requests. <br><br>We all know that Carlos does not like sugar plattform, so we must all keep that in mind when he participates in this electoral discussions for Sugar Oversight Board.<br><br>In fact sugarlabs, rap ceibal, and all organizations supporting free software on 1:1 are always kinder and more respectful with non techy teachers than the official uruguayan deployment (plan ceibal) that -in my opinion- made some wrong desicions regarding teacher ' s training . ( Distributing a different system among teachers than among children is questionable desicion for example )<br>
<br>Regarding- the original topic of this thread having a teacher into the oversight board is not a necessary condition for having an open place for teachers demands on the oversight board. <br>Teachers will gain space for themselves slowly and steadily in sugar and in all this general 1:1 idea.<br>
<br>I think that if I vote for Ardito (as sugar member) this will be for his own credits that seem quite right for me. Because being or not being teacher is not a guarantee for having or not an open place for educational points of view regarding the sugar labs project.<br>
<br>Spanish: <br><span id="ecxresult_box" class="ecx" lang="es"><span style="" title="I ve been reading this thread that is spread on several lists.">He estado leyendo este hilo que se extiende en varias listas.<br><br></span><span style="" title="For those who don t know me, I actually am a teacher in uruguayan public high school and worked using 1:1 during all 2010 and probably next 2012 will work once more on the 1:1 courses.">Para
aquellos que no me conocen, yo en realidad soy docente en la
escuela pública uruguaya y trabajó con 1:1 durante todo 2010 y
probablemente el próximo 2012 trabajare una vez más en cursos 1:1.<br><br></span><span style="" title="I think that teachers are getting closer to technology in a slow process.">Creo que los docentes se están acercando a la tecnología en un proceso lento.<br>
</span><span style="" title="We must be patient and just keep on doing and looking at sugar that is really doing things right.">Hay que tener paciencia, podrás seguir haciendo y viendo que el azúcar es realmente hacer las cosas bien.<br>
<br></span><span title="I am writing this from buenos aires where I came for an ex highschool mates meeting.">Estoy escribiendo esto desde Buenos Aires, donde vine para una reunión de ex compañeros de secundaria.<br></span><span title="This is important because in that meeting, I was yesterday night talking to the actual General Manger Southern Cone District at Intel; Esteban, about teachers and 1:1 deployments, and he told me that he saw a teacher trying to use the mouse as a">Esto
es importante porque en esa reunión, que fue ayer por la noche hablando
con el actual Gerente General del Cono Sur de Intel, (
Esteban) , sobre los profesores y las implementaciones de 1:1, y me dijo
que vio a un docente tratando de usar el ratón como </span><span title="remote control.">mando a distancia.<br></span><span title="It was not an xo but a classmate and sugar was not at all involved.">No fue en una xo, sino una classmate y sugar no estaba para nada involucrado.<br>
<br></span><span title="The point about teachers and technology is not an inner problem of the sugar project.">El punto acerca de los maestros y la tecnología no es un problema interno del proyecto sugar. </span><span style="" title="It is a shared problem with all the people involved in the 1:1 educational mode.">Se trata de un problema compartido con todas las personas involucradas en el modo educación 1:1 .<br>
<br></span><span style="" title="Sugarlabs is not at all to blame for failing in getting teachers more involved, my feeling is that sugar developers are very kind an open to teachers requests.">SugarLabs
no es en absoluto culpable por no haber en conseguir que los profesores
estén más implicados, mi sensación es que los desarrolladores de sugaar son
muy amables y abiertos respecto peticiones de los maestros.<br><br></span><span style="" title="We all know that Carlos does not like sugar plattform, so we must all keep that in mind when he participates in this electoral discussions for Sugar Oversight Board.">Todos
sabemos que a Carlos no le gusta Plataforma Sugar y
debemos tener eso en cuenta cuando se participa en este debate electoral
para la Junta de Supervisión.<br><br></span><span style="" title="In fact sugarlabs, rap ceibal, and all organizations supporting free software on 1:1 are always kinder and more respectful with non techy teachers than the official uruguayan deployment (plan ceibal) that -in my opinion- made some wrong desicions regarding teacher ' s">De
hecho SugarLabs, rap ceibal, y todas las organizaciones que apoyan el
software libre en 1:1 siempre son más amables y más respetuosos con
los maestros non-techy que el despliegue oficial uruguayos (Plan
Ceibal), que-en mi opinión-hizo algunas desiciones equivocadas
respecto a la capacitación a maestros </span><span title="training ."> </span><span style="" title="( Distributing a different system among teachers than among children is questionable desicion for example )">(La distribución de un sistema diferente entre los profesores que entre los niños es una desición </span></span><span id="ecxresult_box" class="ecx" lang="es"><span style="" title="( Distributing a different system among teachers than among children is questionable desicion for example )">cuestionable</span></span><span id="ecxresult_box" class="ecx" lang="es"><span style="" title="( Distributing a different system among teachers than among children is questionable desicion for example )">, por ejemplo)<br>
<br></span><span style="" title="Regarding- the original topic of this thread having a teacher into the oversight board is not a necessary condition for having an open place for teachers demands on the oversight board.">En
cuanto a el tema original de este hilo de tener un profesor en la junta
de supervisión no es una condición necesaria para tener un lugar
abierto para las demandas de los maestros en la junta de supervisión.<br></span><span style="" title="Teachers will gain space for themselves slowly and steadily in sugar and in all this general 1:1 idea.">Los maestros ganarán espacio para sí mismos poco a poco y de manera constante en sugar y en general en toda esta idea de 1:1.<br>
<br></span><span style="" title="I think that if I vote for Ardito (as sugar member) this will be for his own credits that seem quite right for me.">Yo
creo que si yo voto por Ardito (como miembro de sugar ) será para
sus propios créditos que parecen muy buenos para mí. </span><span style="" title="Because being or not being teacher is not a guarantee for having or not an open place for educational points of view regarding the sugar labs project.">Porque
ser o no ser maestro no es una garantía para tener o no un lugar
abierto para los puntos de vista educativos en relación con el proyecto de sugarlabs.<br><br></span></span><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr">"Having a Teacher on the Sugar Labs Oversight Board would be a Great Step<br>
Forward for Sugar, this is only achievable by the community exercising the<br>power of their vote"<br><br>Best!<br>John Tierney<br>
<div dir="ltr"><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:22:16 -0300<br>From: <a href="mailto:gonzalo@laptop.org">gonzalo@laptop.org</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:carnen@mac.com">carnen@mac.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org">olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org</a>; <a href="mailto:argentina@lists.laptop.org">argentina@lists.laptop.org</a>; <a href="mailto:somosazucar@lists.sugarlabs.org">somosazucar@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org">olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org</a>; <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:olpcpuno@gmail.com">olpcpuno@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Argentina] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote<div><div></div><div><br><br><br><div><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">I believe Sugar is doing serious damage to Plan Ceibal, to the uruguayan teachers, children, and to us all.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is the point. You are not trying to contribute to the project, because you think is a waste of time.<br>Of course, I think different. <br>
<br> </div><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 18px;">As Mr. Bender expressed in one of his presentations Sugar is software under construction.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Many people don't understood what Walter said here.<br>
It's not about a half finished project, is about a project with open doors, extensible, and free.<br><br><br> </div><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><span style="font-size: 18px;"></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">You cannot ask teachers and children to start using their new computers by figuring out how to deal with this software under construction which, being so closely related to the operating system, happens to affect all uses of their laptops.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 18px;">My suggestion was and still is that after some years of trying the free software / volunteers route, with unacceptable results, get paid professional developers to swiftly work on correcting a good percentage of the problems, delivering working computers to the users. Some of those developers might well be some of the same working today as volunteers.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 18px;"> </span></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Unacceptable results? Ok, go to use Windows Vista :)<br><br><br>Gonzalo<br></div></div>
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