[Sur] [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar oversight board meeting

Sean DALY sdaly.be en gmail.com
Vie Nov 8 09:29:57 EST 2013


David - what I meant was, no strategic partnership between the distros.
Ubuntu wouldn't pose so many difficulties if M. Shuttleworth/Canonical got
behind Sugar for example.

Sean



On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Farning <dfarning at activitycentral.com
> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which
> Sebastian
> > :-)
> >
> > At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so
> our
> > effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms.
> > Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac
> > using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as
> a
> > marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a
> position
> > fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way.
> >
> > Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was
> dominant
> > on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an
> > installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were
> interested
> > in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar
> > availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of
> > them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by
> > pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed
> > off netbooks.
> >
> > It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux
> distros
> > who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft
> had
> > and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects
> > struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical
> > aspects.
>
> How does Sugar on Ubuntu (DXU) and Sugar on Tablets (DX experimental)
> affect this equation for Sugar Labs?
>
> > Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share
> > (Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course).
> >
> > Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation
> on a
> > target PC, this is documented in the wiki.
> >
> > Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least
> > several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and
> > keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I
> have
> > no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been
> > continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now.
> >
> > Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO
> > installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and
> > transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribiˇ:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS!
> >>
> >>
> >> That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and
> >> Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with
> >> unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a
> Fedora
> >> hosted minisite (the "home" of SoaS), none of which was done with any
> >> consultation of the SL marketing team.
> >>
> >> Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original
> >> developer of "Sugar On A Stick".
> >>
> >> Now that we're on the topic... the concept "Sugar On A Stick" has
> several
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB.
> >> 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer.
> >> 3.- It's impossible to translate.
> >> 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the
> >> Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sebastian Silva
> >> R+D SomosAz˙car
> >> Sugar Labs Per˙
> >> @icarito
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Farning
> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com
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