Hi All, <br><br>There are differences between promoting computer literacy and the promotion of <br>"open source learning", which is the recurring theme for the language of the mission/vision statements. <br>From what I can glean from their websites, PBSP and Gilas they deal with the former. They deal with <br>
mostly Windows machines. We can talk more about the differences in the meeting.<br><br>The very nature of open source is conducive to the promotion of higher learning. For one thing open source<br>software is public domain (the development, use, and redistribution is free). You don't have to buy royalties or<br>
rely on Microsoft or Apple to get new version of an OS. There's so many open resource software out there<br>that one can teach an entire university with materials from the web. It opens up higher learning and Sugar is <br>
a GREAT start because it is specifically designed for young children and the fundamentals are taught outright. For every software program that I could think off, there's already a community of programmers working on a free version. <br>
But it goes beyond software. Richard Baraniuk (founder of Connexions) talks about a free, open-source, global clearinghouse of course materials. : <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_baraniuk_on_open_source_learning.html">http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_baraniuk_on_open_source_learning.html</a><br>
<br>Why not specifically state that we're with OLPC -main in the language of our mission statement? Why not name <br>ourselves OLPC - Philippines? These are my take on this. A couple of reasons:<br><br> a) It is short sighted. While our current vehicle of choice is XO with Sugar, we don't want to be limited by both. <br>
OLPC-Main is in constant flux. We hope for its longevity but we want to be able to survive outside of it as well. <br>
<br> b) The group's vision needs to be broader and that is to be able to provide and drive higher-learning through <br> constructivism and open source materials. OLPC is but a first step. <br><br> c) Changes in technology might provide better alternative to XO. <br>
<br>Lastly, "OLPC - Philippines " as a name was already rejected by SEC-Philippines. As it is too close to OLBC - Philippines. <br><br>Having said that, there are so many ways an organization aligns themselves with one without being tied to it (a great example is Waveplace). Our biggest program will be through OLPC & Sugar there's no question about that. What Ryan submitted are drafts and they can be changed. We can also have a broader mission statement while stating the underlying tones of OLPC main in our vision statement. <br>
<br>"Could we possibly spread ourselves too thin by having a broad mission/vision statement? Why not concentrate on OLPC first?" Even the most vast organizations do not work on everything at once in the beginning. Of course this is not realistic. Nor is it realistic to have a short vision in a mission/statement when you expect the organization to survive decades down the road, especially for a technology based organization like ours.<br>
<br>Well those are my two cents. We can certainly talk about this more on the meeting. Talk to you all soon! Till then, have a great week!<br><br>---Cherry <br><br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:09 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines-request@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines-request@lists.laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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From: Charles Chen <<a href="mailto:ideasman88@yahoo.com.au">ideasman88@yahoo.com.au</a>><br>
Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] Use OLPC in the Mission/ Vision statement<br>
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Hi Mel/ Ryan/ Caroline/ Sandeep,<br>
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I appreciate sharing with the entire OLPC volunteer group what you are doing.<br>
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However. I share with Meg the need to make it clear we are doing this based on the idea of Nicholas Negroponte's OLPC. At the moment, all the drafts present make no mention of this. Without this, we are no different to the Ayala Foundation's GILAS program or one of the many programs PBSP has for helping schools.<br>
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Subject: OLPC-Philippines Digest, Vol 20, Issue 10<br>
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From: Caroline Meeks <<a href="mailto:solutiongrove@gmail.com">solutiongrove@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] Get the Creative Juices Flowing:<br>
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??? statements from other Org.<br>
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Great work!<br>
<br>
FYI here is Sugar Labs' Mission:<br>
<br>
Sugar Lab?s mission is to provide the means to help people gain a quality<br>
education and thereby lead more fulfilling lives. Sugar Labs produces,<br>
distributes, and supports the use of the Sugar learning platform, a free<br>
software system that is freely available to anyone who wants to use or<br>
extend it. Our goal is to use Sugar to develop effective and affordable ways<br>
to educate children.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Ryan Letada <<a href="mailto:rletada@gmail.com">rletada@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hey guys,<br>
><br>
> here is a list of proposed draft mission and vision statements to get the<br>
> creative juices flowing. This is just a starting point. We may eventually<br>
> have something completely different as we begin to drill into our values and<br>
> goals. However, these proposals were inspired by conversations with other<br>
> members. Keeping in mind the educational challenges of the Philippines, this<br>
> is also an attempt to combine different mission statements from other<br>
> organizations listed below.? I can explain my thought process if you guys<br>
> want.? Sige? ingat, I look forward to your feedback, and please feel free to<br>
> draft one of your own!<br>
><br>
> *Proposed Mission Statement:*<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 1*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source,<br>
> technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 2*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically<br>
> underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open source,<br>
> technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 3*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source<br>
> technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from a<br>
> child?s natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower<br>
> children to become agents of change towards the betterment of themselves and<br>
> their communities.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 4 *<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically<br>
> underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open source,<br>
> technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from a<br>
> child?s natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower<br>
> children to become agents of change towards the betterment of themselves and<br>
> their communities.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Proposed Vision*<br>
><br>
> Our vision is to transform Filipino youth into 21st century learners, who<br>
> are digitally literate, critical thinkers, and productive members of society<br>
> through open source technology.? In doing so, learners will be better<br>
> prepared to tackle the challenges of an increasingly competitive job market<br>
> and globalised world as well, as become an agent of change towards the<br>
> betterment of themselves and their communities.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *For your viewing pleasure ? here is a list of mission statements from<br>
> other organizations. *<br>
><br>
> *Open Learning Exchange Nepal*<br>
><br>
> *Open Learning Exchange (OLE) Nepal* is a Nepali non-governmental<br>
> organization dedicated to assisting the Government of Nepal in meeting its<br>
> Education for All goals by developing freely accessible, open-source<br>
> Information and Communication Technology (ICT)-based educational<br>
> teaching-learning materials.<br>
><br>
> *Waveplace*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is much more than free laptops. Though laptops get all the<br>
> attention, they're really just a vehicle for something much cooler. As Alan<br>
> Kay said, "you can donate pianos, but they work much better with piano<br>
> lessons." We recognize this, which is why most of our emphasis is on course<br>
> materials and teacher training. Our larger goal is encouraging kids and<br>
> adults to use the laptops to their full potential, which can have profound<br>
> educational benefits.<br>
><br>
> *One Laptop Per Child (Main)*<br>
><br>
> To create educational opportunities for the world's poorest children by<br>
> providing each child with a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop<br>
> with content and software designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered<br>
> learning. When children have access to this type of tool they get engaged in<br>
> their own education. They learn, share, create, and collaborate. They become<br>
> connected to each other, to the world and to a brighter future.<br>
><br>
> The mission of One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is to empower the children of<br>
> developing countries to learn by providing one connected laptop to every<br>
> school-age child.<br>
><br>
> *One Laptop Per Child Australia*<br>
><br>
> One Laptop per Child (OLPC) Australia's mission is to improve the lives of<br>
> children living in rural and remote Australia - the great majority of which<br>
> are in indigenous communities - by providing them with the purpose-built<br>
> educational tool, the XO laptop. When children have access to this type of<br>
> tool they become engaged in their own education; they learn, share, create,<br>
> and collaborate. They become connected to each other, to the world and to a<br>
> brighter future<br>
><br>
> *World Wide Workshop Foundation*<br>
><br>
> The World Wide Workshop is a global foundation for developing open-source<br>
> applications of social media technology and game production, to enhance<br>
> learning, innovation, entrepreneurship, and an understanding of the world in<br>
> economically-disadvantaged and technologically-underserved communities.**<br>
><br>
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Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC-Philippines Digest, Vol 20,??? Issue<br>
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Hello,<br>
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May I add my 2-cent worth of comment?<br>
<br>
I prefer #2 because it is succinct, says in few words about the various<br>
aspects of the undertaking:<br>
? -? product : open source, technological innovations<br>
???-target: economically disadvantaged communities (Good idea not to use<br>
the word remote, so you can target some groups in the not so remote).<br>
<br>
You could also consider starting the mission statement with:<br>
One Laptop Per Child Philippines is a non profit org with the mission? ...<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Meg<br>
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> Hey guys,<br>
><br>
> here is a list of proposed draft mission and vision statements to get the<br>
> creative juices flowing. This is just a starting point. We may eventually<br>
> have something completely different as we begin to drill into our values<br>
> and<br>
> goals. However, these proposals were inspired by conversations with other<br>
> members. Keeping in mind the educational challenges of the Philippines,<br>
> this<br>
> is also an attempt to combine different mission statements from other<br>
> organizations listed below.? I can explain my thought process if you guys<br>
> want.? Sige? ingat, I look forward to your feedback, and please feel free<br>
> to<br>
> draft one of your own!<br>
><br>
> *Proposed Mission Statement:*<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 1*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source,<br>
> technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 2*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically<br>
> underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open<br>
> source,<br>
> technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 3*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source<br>
> technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from<br>
> a<br>
> child?s natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower<br>
> children to become agents of change towards the betterment of themselves<br>
> and<br>
> their communities.<br>
><br>
> *Draft Option 4 *<br>
><br>
> Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically<br>
> underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open<br>
> source,<br>
> technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from<br>
> a<br>
> child?s natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower<br>
> children to become agents of change towards the betterment of themselves<br>
> and<br>
> their communities.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Proposed Vision*<br>
><br>
> Our vision is to transform Filipino youth into 21st century learners, who<br>
> are digitally literate, critical thinkers, and productive members of<br>
> society<br>
> through open source technology.? In doing so, learners will be better<br>
> prepared to tackle the challenges of an increasingly competitive job<br>
> market<br>
> and globalised world as well, as become an agent of change towards the<br>
> betterment of themselves and their communities.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *For your viewing pleasure ? here is a list of mission statements from<br>
> other<br>
> organizations. *<br>
><br>
> *Open Learning Exchange Nepal*<br>
><br>
> *Open Learning Exchange (OLE) Nepal* is a Nepali non-governmental<br>
> organization dedicated to assisting the Government of Nepal in meeting its<br>
> Education for All goals by developing freely accessible, open-source<br>
> Information and Communication Technology (ICT)-based educational<br>
> teaching-learning materials.<br>
><br>
> *Waveplace*<br>
><br>
> Our mission is much more than free laptops. Though laptops get all the<br>
> attention, they're really just a vehicle for something much cooler. As<br>
> Alan<br>
> Kay said, "you can donate pianos, but they work much better with piano<br>
> lessons." We recognize this, which is why most of our emphasis is on<br>
> course<br>
> materials and teacher training. Our larger goal is encouraging kids and<br>
> adults to use the laptops to their full potential, which can have profound<br>
> educational benefits.<br>
><br>
> *One Laptop Per Child (Main)*<br>
><br>
> To create educational opportunities for the world's poorest children by<br>
> providing each child with a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop<br>
> with content and software designed for collaborative, joyful,<br>
> self-empowered<br>
> learning. When children have access to this type of tool they get engaged<br>
> in<br>
> their own education. They learn, share, create, and collaborate. They<br>
> become<br>
> connected to each other, to the world and to a brighter future.<br>
><br>
> The mission of One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is to empower the children of<br>
> developing countries to learn by providing one connected laptop to every<br>
> school-age child.<br>
><br>
> *One Laptop Per Child Australia*<br>
><br>
> One Laptop per Child (OLPC) Australia's mission is to improve the lives of<br>
> children living in rural and remote Australia - the great majority of<br>
> which<br>
> are in indigenous communities - by providing them with the purpose-built<br>
> educational tool, the XO laptop. When children have access to this type of<br>
> tool they become engaged in their own education; they learn, share,<br>
> create,<br>
> and collaborate. They become connected to each other, to the world and to<br>
> a<br>
> brighter future<br>
><br>
> *World Wide Workshop Foundation*<br>
><br>
> The World Wide Workshop is a global foundation for developing open-source<br>
> applications of social media technology and game production, to enhance<br>
> learning, innovation, entrepreneurship, and an understanding of the world<br>
> in<br>
> economically-disadvantaged and technologically-underserved communities.**<br>
><br>
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> Is the MWSS Training Room the one in Katipunan? If it is then it would be<br>
> closer to where I am then. Ascot would be my second choice.<br>
><br>
> John<br>
><br>
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>>? ? 1. Re: division_of_labor (Mel Chua)<br>
>>? ? 2. Next meeting: June 14, 2009 (Mel Chua)<br>
>>? ? 3. Re: OLPC efforts in the Philippines / core team (Mel Chua)<br>
>>? ? 4. OLE Nepal slides (Mel Chua)<br>
>>? ? 5. Re: OLE Nepal slides (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero)<br>
>>? ? 6. Re: OLE Nepal slides (Jerome Gotangco)<br>
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>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:14:32 -0400<br>
>> From: Mel Chua <<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] division_of_labor<br>
>> To: Cherry Nuque<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:cherry.withers@gmail.com">cherry.withers@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=cherry.withers@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=cherry.withers@gmail.com</a>>>,<br>
>> OLPC<br>
>>? ???Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:cwithers@olpc-ph.org">cwithers@olpc-ph.org</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=cwithers@olpc-ph.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=cwithers@olpc-ph.org</a>>" <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:cwithers@olpc-ph.org">cwithers@olpc-ph.org</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=cwithers@olpc-ph.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=cwithers@olpc-ph.org</a>>>,<br>
>> "Sandeep C."<br>
>>? ???<<a href="mailto:sgc0611@gmail.com">sgc0611@gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=sgc0611@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=sgc0611@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:4A2DA968.9010303@melchua.com">4A2DA968.9010303@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=4A2DA968.9010303@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=4A2DA968.9010303@melchua.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
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>> And more responses to the list! I think all of our conversations have<br>
>> been moved by now. I will check.<br>
>><br>
>> ---<br>
>><br>
>> Cherry Nuque wrote:<br>
>> > Hi Sandeep,<br>
>> ><br>
>> >? ???If we apply this to our scenario, we could rename the teams as<br>
>> follows:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >? ???General and Administrative -- Finance, Operations - Sandeep and<br>
>> > Ryan<br>
>> >? ???Products and Technology - Engineering/Development - Jerome and Harv<br>
>> >? ???(see below)<br>
>> >? ???Marketing - Cherry<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Good point in combining the engineering and development since it will<br>
>> > streamline the<br>
>> > efforts of both team. It will probably be helpful in getting the two to<br>
>> > look for Academe and IT support in the<br>
>> > region of deployment. It might just come from the same school. In<br>
>> > companies that I worked in<br>
>> > (both as intern and full time worker) the marketing team provides the<br>
>> > inputs to the engineers, but the<br>
>> > "Marketing" team on this case would probably do mostly fund raising<br>
>> > related work.<br>
>><br>
>> Note that once deployments start, support-engineering and<br>
>> development-engineering are going to be quite different things. (Make<br>
>> existing tech work on the ground, vs develop new tech.)<br>
>><br>
>> Also note that development-engineering may mainly be work upstream in<br>
>> the main Sugar Labs (or whatever) projects - I do not really see us<br>
>> having to write a lot of Philippines-specific code (...I honestly can't<br>
>> think of any examples of why we'd need to do this at the moment. Can<br>
>> anybody?)<br>
>><br>
>> > Could you guys possibly take care of posting the meeting minutes this<br>
>> > time? I also forgot to put the<br>
>> > IRC login information on the Agenda. Sigh. Just REALLY busy this week<br>
>> > and next week as well.<br>
>> > Thanks! I'll try to be on top of things next time.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ---Cherry<br>
>><br>
>> If someone reminds me at the meeting, I would be happy to make sure the<br>
>> meeting gets logged.<br>
>><br>
>> I actually don't know where and when the meeting is. Can someone clarify?<br>
>><br>
>> --Mel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:34:00 -0400<br>
>> From: Mel Chua <<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] Next meeting: June 14, 2009<br>
>> To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:4A2DCA18.5090101@melchua.com">4A2DCA18.5090101@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=4A2DCA18.5090101@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=4A2DCA18.5090101@melchua.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
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>> Reminder, taken straight from<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines/Meetings" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines/Meetings</a>.<br>
>><br>
>> ---<br>
>><br>
>> Our next meeting will be on June 14, 2009 at 9pm Philippines time (6am<br>
>> US PST, 9am US EST) on #sugar-meeting in Freenode. (This channel has an<br>
>> automatic logging bot that we can use.)<br>
>> [edit] Connection information<br>
>><br>
>> This is an IRC (internet relay chat) channel; if you are new to IRC, you<br>
>> can use Mibbit which is an in-browser client. Set the "IRC:" (server)<br>
>> box to Freenode, the "Nick:" to whatever name you want to be known by,<br>
>> and the "Channel:" to #sugar-meeting as shown, then click "Go." You<br>
>> should be placed into chat. If you have issues, please contact Mchua<br>
>> (mel at laptop dot org).<br>
>><br>
>> Image:Meebo-setup.png<br>
>> [edit] Agenda<br>
>><br>
>> Note: This is a high level organizational meeting (we can schedule<br>
>> work-sprints when we figure out what people want to do next), and we<br>
>> will be firmly sticking to the agenda, so if you want to bring up<br>
>> anything else, edit this page before the meeting starts. ;) Any<br>
>> additional questions pertaining to topics outside of the Agenda will be<br>
>> answered separately via e-mail or by people who are willing to stay<br>
>> afterwards.<br>
>><br>
>>? ???1. Introductions - who is everyone, what are they working on, what<br>
>> are you interested in?<br>
>>? ???2. Updates on Action Items (What were the action items? Mchua 02:29,<br>
>> 9 June 2009 (UTC))<br>
>>? ???3. Organizational issues<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???1. name registration?<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???2. mission<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???3. logo<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???4. teams?<br>
>>? ???4. Model to adopt/ framework<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???1. <a href="http://waveplace.com" target="_blank">waveplace.com</a><br>
>>? ? ? ? ???2. OLEnepal<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???3. OLPC-Australia<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???4. Boston grassroots pilots<br>
>>? ???5. Schedule next meeting<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???1. Potential topic: Mechanics of Launching a Pilot/Deployment,<br>
>> if people are interested in hearing Mchua talk about that<br>
>>? ? ? ? ???2. Other ideas?<br>
>>? ???6. What are people going to do before the next meeting?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 3<br>
>> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:33:08 -0400<br>
>> From: Mel Chua <<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLPC efforts in the Philippines / core<br>
>>? ???team<br>
>> To: "Sandeep C."<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:sgc0611@gmail.com">sgc0611@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=sgc0611@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=sgc0611@gmail.com</a>>>,<br>
>> OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas<br>
>>? ???grassroots<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Cc: Cherry Nuque<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:cherry.withers@gmail.com">cherry.withers@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=cherry.withers@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=cherry.withers@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:4A2DC9E4.9050700@melchua.com">4A2DC9E4.9050700@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=4A2DC9E4.9050700@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=4A2DC9E4.9050700@melchua.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
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>><br>
>> Sandeep C. wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Are we still using this site to post meeting agenda, minutes and<br>
>> > updates, in addition to emailing the list?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines</a><br>
>><br>
>> We are now! For our meeting date/time/place, please see... *drumroll*<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines/Meetings" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Philippines/Meetings</a><br>
>><br>
>> If people have accompanying materials, can you please upload them to the<br>
>> wiki or somehow link to them from the agenda?<br>
>><br>
>> Also, I took the liberty of assuming a chat channel (which has a logging<br>
>> meeting bot). Please correct me if I'm off.<br>
>><br>
>> --Mel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 4<br>
>> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:21:19 -0400<br>
>> From: Mel Chua <<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a> <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> Subject: [OLPC-Philippines] OLE Nepal slides<br>
>> To: OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:4A2DE33F.20204@melchua.com">4A2DE33F.20204@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=4A2DE33F.20204@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=4A2DE33F.20204@melchua.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint</a><br>
>><br>
>> From Bryan Berry. Seems pretty relevant.<br>
>><br>
>> --Mel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 5<br>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:30:12 -0500<br>
>> From: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:dirakx@gmail.com">dirakx@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=dirakx@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=dirakx@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLE Nepal slides<br>
>> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:a80d16920906082130l2247c0b8h821bccd7352c4b84@mail.gmail.com">a80d16920906082130l2247c0b8h821bccd7352c4b84@mail.gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=a80d16920906082130l2247c0b8h821bccd7352c4b84@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=a80d16920906082130l2247c0b8h821bccd7352c4b84@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
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>><br>
>> Hello<br>
>><br>
>> Is a good advice to take Bryan's work from Nepal very close as a role<br>
>> model<br>
>> to follow,? in order to start an organization that stands for open and<br>
>> free<br>
>> education and software.<br>
>><br>
>> OLE Nepal is one of the scarse examples of succes on an small-to-medium<br>
>> deployment (separated from the national government) of OLPC.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Rafael Ortiz<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Mel Chua<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> >? From Bryan Berry. Seems pretty relevant.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --Mel<br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > OLPC-Philippines mailing list<br>
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>> > <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-philippines</a><br>
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>> Message: 6<br>
>> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:45:34 +0800<br>
>> From: Jerome Gotangco<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jgotangco@gmail.com">jgotangco@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=jgotangco@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=jgotangco@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC-Philippines] OLE Nepal slides<br>
>> To: "OLPC Philippines/Pilipinas grassroots"<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org">olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=olpc-philippines@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Message-ID:<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:c138e6150906082145w49ee53dh8f5fc3ec47bd7de5@mail.gmail.com">c138e6150906082145w49ee53dh8f5fc3ec47bd7de5@mail.gmail.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=c138e6150906082145w49ee53dh8f5fc3ec47bd7de5@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=c138e6150906082145w49ee53dh8f5fc3ec47bd7de5@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Mel<br>
>> Chua<<a href="mailto:mel@melchua.com">mel@melchua.com</a><<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=mel@melchua.com</a>>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/gueste596c5/olpc-startup-5-easy-steps?type=powerpoint</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ?From Bryan Berry. Seems pretty relevant.<br>
>><br>
>> Bryan was a recent guest in the FLOSS weekly podcast and he gave some<br>
>> very good insights on starting at grassroots level and eventually<br>
>> penetrating mainstream!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Jerome G.<br>
>><br>
>> Pinoy Tech Podcast: <a href="http://www.pinoytechpodcast.com" target="_blank">http://www.pinoytechpodcast.com</a><br>
>> Blog: <a href="http://blog.gotangco.com" target="_blank">http://blog.gotangco.com</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
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