<div dir="ltr">Rob,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Rob Savoye <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rob@welcomehome.org">rob@welcomehome.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:13:22PM +0800, Carlos Nazareno wrote:<br>
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> We were having a discussion at the Gnash developer mailing list about<br>
> the absurdity of the situation where it was so difficult to get sound<br>
> working with Gnash on build 767 that the easy workaround to get sound<br>
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</div> I have Gnash with working sound and full YouTube video support on 767, and<br>
it wasn't even hard.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> What I mean is that if it's going to take so much difficult jumping<br>
> through hoops to get sound working with Gnash on the OLPC, why not<br>
> just recommend that users install the Adobe Flash player which can be<br>
> done with a single wget-rpm combo and cause less of a support<br>
> nightmare?<br>
<br>
</div> Persovnally, the only way to fix this problem is to get political, and start<br>
lobbying for the end of software patents. It's the *legal* issues here<br>
around codecs and software patents that is the problem, not any technical<br>
issue.<br>
<br>
btw, this attitude is why I've personally given up on the OLPC project. It's<br>
been very upsetting to me to see such a great project slowly slide into<br>
the proprietary software world. Oh that's right, Nicholas says I'm a free<br>
software fundamentalist, holding back the OLPC project... Ship whatever you<br>
want... I give up again.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div><br><br>The only deployment that I know is shipping proprietary stuff (flash/java) is the Birmingham deployment which has a lot of legacy proprietary ties to discovery-kids videos and other legacy closed-locked-in education websites.<br>
<br>SJ and I were/are working with some people at DailyMotion to serve up videos embeded as OGG and using only free formats. I really *want* people to be able to use ONLY free formats on their XO. I *want* them to know what installing proprietary codecs mean before they try to install adobe flash.<br>
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> And if we ship with 0.8.3, once Gnash 0.8.4 comes out (pretty close<br>
> enough from what I read from Gnash dev), G1G1 users are going to be<br>
> stuck with an older outdated version of Gnash for a long time.<br>
<br>
</div> Which won't work, then everyone will say Linux/Gnash sucks, and give me XP<br>
and Adobe. Sigh...<br>
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This is the second time that I've heard from you that you've had gnash
running on/in sugar better than OLPC is, but I haven't seen any of your
packages. Is there a permission or access you require that is stopping
the publication of your work upstream?<br>
<br>
If you're not happy with OLPC, is there something stopping you from contributing directly to Sugarlabs?<br>
<br>
Even if you give up on OLPC, satisfy your own politics by educating the 10's of thousdands of people in the US with XO's about Gnash and codec's.<br></div>