From tabitha.roder at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 19:46:08 2009
From: tabitha.roder at gmail.com (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:46:08 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Testing summary - 10 January 2009
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901091646q69b4e6d7mc9c61b023555c321@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Thanks to Ian Thomson for coming along and talking to everyone about Oceania
deployments. There were lots of fantastic talks today with a diverse group
of people present. We are hoping to hear some kiwi's could be volunteering
in the Pacific Islands over the next few months - fingers crossed funds can
be found.

Who came: Carl, Ian, Edward, Murray, Brenda, Callum, Uli, Jonathan, Kaleb,
Joshhua, Aida, Tabitha, Aaron, Douglas, Queenie

Food Force II
Tested on 5 XOS, concept awesome and appropriate for developing countries
(keep working on it please), takes a long time to load - uses a lot of
processing power so runs real slow, shares in neighbourbood view but does
not collaborate. Usability - ignoring slowness, the edges of the screen are
designed to move the user view of the village but the selection buttons at
the bottom of the screen are within the scroll trigger zone so when trying
to select it is scrolling. Would be good if there was a "where you are now"
indicator on the map (for when you have scrolled away from the village).
Query - would speed increase if run from school server rather than local? We
are extremely excited about this activity and look forward to seeing this
improve.

Chat
Today we had bonjour chat on Ubuntu (pidgin on 8.10 and 8.4) talking to the
XOs without issue. Intiating a chat from Ubuntu to the XOs would pop up a
chat icon, which clicking on would start a Chat application. However, a OS X
macbook with (using ichat bonjour) could see the XO's, but would return the
error message "Instant Message connection failed. The other person's
computer may not be reachable." Also, there is no way for an XO to initiate
a chat, or see non-XO computers using the bonjour chat protocol.

Plans for next couple of weeks -
Next Saturday 17 January - learn how to pull apart your XO and put it back
together (thanks Callum, our resident expert in XO repairs) - at The Cross
Tuesday 27 January - meet Walter Bender, SugarLabs founder - further details
to come but can say it will be at Catalyst offices in Willis Street
One day soon - update from Andrew McMillan on OLPC presentations at Linux
Conference (February?)
One day soon - Martin Langhoff update on School server and python for sugar
programming sessions (February?)

Feel free to invite others.

To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing,
subscribe to olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org by going to
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz

Have a fantastic week!

Kind regards
Tabitha Roder

(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From tabitha at learning.ac.nz  Tue Jan 13 04:56:00 2009
From: tabitha at learning.ac.nz (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:56:00 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] OLPC and Catalyst invitation to meet Walter Bender -
	sugarlabs founder
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901130156h611d8cd0y6e790b98d9c7ba9c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello New Zealand OLPC volunteers and friends

OLPC Wellington <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/WellyNZTesters>
and Catalyst
IT Ltd <http://www.catalyst.net.nz/> invite you to meet Walter Bender,
founder of sugarlabs <http://sugarlabs.org/>, a non-profit foundation.
Python based, Sugar enhances educational experience by emphasising
collaboration and expression. Sugar is the interface used on XOs distributed
around the world by OLPC.

Venue - Catalyst House <http://www.catalyst.net.nz/contact>, 150 Willis
Street, Wellington.

RSVP session 12-2 or 5-7 on 27 January by emailing <tabitha at learning.ac.nz>

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Tabitha Roder
(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From tabitha.roder at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 05:03:03 2009
From: tabitha.roder at gmail.com (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:03:03 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] OLPC volunteers this Saturday Wellington - How to pull
	apart and rebuild your XO
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901150203h3347a060yedcff4cbaad05b4c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

We are up for another exciting session this Saturday with Calum showing us
how to pull apart and rebuild XOs. Bring a Phillips number one screw driver
if you have one and join in the fun. Last week we tested an activity called
Food Force II (goal is to enable village to escape poverty and develop
nutritional self-sufficiency) and we have had great engagement with the
authors so it will be good to see if we can further test this activity for
them.

Usual spot - Southern Cross, Abel Smith Street, Wellington
Usual time - 10.30am
Feel free to invite others who might like to join in.

Global Community testing meeting in IRC on Friday at 1200 NZ time Info
here<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_testing_meeting>

To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing,
subscribe to olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org by going to
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz

Look forward to seeing you on Saturday.

Kind regards
Tabitha Roder

(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From tabitha.roder at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 19:15:04 2009
From: tabitha.roder at gmail.com (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:15:04 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Testing summary - 17 January 2009
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901161615p505b379t38bf1a5eedf6d341@mail.gmail.com>

Hello community

Who was there: Bob, Florencia, Uli, Gustav, Alastair, Edward, Tabitha,
Brenda, Callum (and a couple of random people who asked us questions and got
their 2yo kid to play with tamtam mini)

Socialcalc-1:
Simple Mesh connection. 3 XOs - appear in the frame but typing is not
sharing. So far testing of functions works - formatting, basic formulas. We
took photos if you need them.
Formulas - tested max, min, average, sum, okay. Today function works.
Help has a good start.
Graph not working properly yet? Highlight range of cells but just get the
last cell highlighted as a bar. Learned some more from lots of us playing
and eventually got a bar graph. Yeah! So we found you have to NOT include
the labels. Also found bar graph is not to scale. We were impressed that it
could graph a row of data or a column of data, and would like to see it
recognise two columns in the future, maybe even comparing data.  We are
hoping next time we test this that we can get a pie graph - we like pie.
Then maybe line graph after that? Eventually we worked out how to add
labels, but it was a bit complicated.
Sort was hard work - too many steps to the process. Need to make it clearer
that there is a button to push, or hide other menu options. Major and minor
sort both work. Would be good if you see only first part of sort question
then only second part of sort question, not both at the same time especially
as it remembers the last sort you did. Maybe even just changing the "sort"
button to the end rather than in the middle, and maybe make it say "sort
now" or something.
Massive delay in entering text into the cell, move to the next cell and wait
wait wait.
We are happy to test this again when sharing is possible.
Saves to journal and can get data back. Awesome.
Gaming keys do stuff - cool. Square key takes you to A1, great.
Rotate - 90 and 270 chops off half the tool bars and does not fit to frame.
Rotate 180 is great for upside down work. :-)
Black and white mode works. Sound not applicable.

Gnubook
GNU book reader has the following problems; Default zoom is too low, all
images are loaded at once (problems for bandwidth, traffic costs). Needs an
way to scroll to next half (or third) of a given page. A simple way to copy
a book around would be nice.
Something to indicate that images are not being loaded by default would be
good. A way to interpolate text only pages would be good for
speed/traffic/storage.
Also, a bookmark, and index/contents that can skip to a given page would be
good.
Additional: The evince based PDF ebook reader (aka. Reader) is way too
memory intensive for large books. Either a different technology (HTML?
Mobipocket), or something where the pages are only rendered one at a time,
rather than caching the render of everything in memory in advance.
Also; the interface for downloading, and saving books to the local disk is
horribly horribly confusing.

Food Force II
Tested on 4 XOs.
Bit slow and sometimes crashes, but not sure why.
Took us a while to work out that without books no one goes to school... how
do we put XOs in the school? Without medicine the hospital does not work. A
tutorial would be great - like etoys tutorial please.
The music on one XO is jittery. Clean reboot twice it still does jittery
sound.
When we buy and sell resources but the numbers are meaningless to us.
Farm setup - It would be cool to have a drag pie graph that allows you to
choose what percentage of rice, veges and beans you want to plant.
Houses - have to setup one house at a time, would like bulk build (could
even add a cheaper to build in bulk component).
Facilities were shutting down due to lack of resources but running so slow
we could not buy resources quick enough.

TamTamMini
Smashing of multiple keys (as expected of 2 year old) results in speaker
overload and distortion.

Pulling apart XOs.
We learned how to pull apart and put back together five XOs today. Great
learning for us so we can refurbish and replace bits. Great for non hardware
people in the group to fill in some gaps in our knowledge. We were all happy
when we put them back together with no left over screws!


Another successful day.

Kind regards
Tabitha Roder

(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From mohitgenii at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 13:05:50 2009
From: mohitgenii at gmail.com (Mohit Taneja)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:35:50 +0530
Subject: [olpc-nz] Testing summary - 17 January 2009
In-Reply-To: <72d5c8fd0901161615p505b379t38bf1a5eedf6d341@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72d5c8fd0901161615p505b379t38bf1a5eedf6d341@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6c707900901171005q78090dd9w1b6245b87f2a6684@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Food Force II
>
Tested on 4 XOs.
>
Bit slow and sometimes crashes, but not sure why.
>
Took us a while to work out that without books no one goes to school... how
> do we put XOs in the school? Without medicine the hospital does not work. A
> tutorial would be great - like etoys tutorial please.
>
The music on one XO is jittery. Clean reboot twice it still does jittery
> sound.
>
When we buy and sell resources but the numbers are meaningless to us.
>
Farm setup - It would be cool to have a drag pie graph that allows you to
> choose what percentage of rice, veges and beans you want to plant.
>
Houses - have to setup one house at a time, would like bulk build (could
> even add a cheaper to build in bulk component).
>
Facilities were shutting down due to lack of resources but running so slow
> we could not buy resources quick enough.


Hi,

Thanks for such an exhaustive testing.

I would like to address to certain issues

   - Regarding the tutorial, we are working on a storyboard which includes
   tutorials, I hope they would help one in understanding the intricacies of
   the game even better. I would send an update whenever we are done with
   finalising the storyboard.
   - Regarding buy/sell scenario, we would try and make the situation a bit
   tough for the user by giving him limited resources in terms of money
   available to him/her, I hope that would be helpful in making the game more
   interesting.
   - Regarding Farm Setup, I am already working on it, the entering of data
   in text boxes is tedious.

Regarding the game crashing ocasionally, it would be great if you could
share the logs with us when the game fails. I think that it could be of some
help.

Regards,
Mohit Taneja
Developer
FoodForce2 Activity


On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Tabitha Roder <tabitha.roder at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello community
>
> Who was there: Bob, Florencia, Uli, Gustav, Alastair, Edward, Tabitha,
> Brenda, Callum (and a couple of random people who asked us questions and got
> their 2yo kid to play with tamtam mini)
>
> Socialcalc-1:
> Simple Mesh connection. 3 XOs - appear in the frame but typing is not
> sharing. So far testing of functions works - formatting, basic formulas. We
> took photos if you need them.
> Formulas - tested max, min, average, sum, okay. Today function works.
> Help has a good start.
> Graph not working properly yet? Highlight range of cells but just get the
> last cell highlighted as a bar. Learned some more from lots of us playing
> and eventually got a bar graph. Yeah! So we found you have to NOT include
> the labels. Also found bar graph is not to scale. We were impressed that it
> could graph a row of data or a column of data, and would like to see it
> recognise two columns in the future, maybe even comparing data.  We are
> hoping next time we test this that we can get a pie graph - we like pie.
> Then maybe line graph after that? Eventually we worked out how to add
> labels, but it was a bit complicated.
> Sort was hard work - too many steps to the process. Need to make it clearer
> that there is a button to push, or hide other menu options. Major and minor
> sort both work. Would be good if you see only first part of sort question
> then only second part of sort question, not both at the same time especially
> as it remembers the last sort you did. Maybe even just changing the "sort"
> button to the end rather than in the middle, and maybe make it say "sort
> now" or something.
> Massive delay in entering text into the cell, move to the next cell and
> wait wait wait.
> We are happy to test this again when sharing is possible.
> Saves to journal and can get data back. Awesome.
> Gaming keys do stuff - cool. Square key takes you to A1, great.
> Rotate - 90 and 270 chops off half the tool bars and does not fit to frame.
> Rotate 180 is great for upside down work. :-)
> Black and white mode works. Sound not applicable.
>
> Gnubook
> GNU book reader has the following problems; Default zoom is too low, all
> images are loaded at once (problems for bandwidth, traffic costs). Needs an
> way to scroll to next half (or third) of a given page. A simple way to copy
> a book around would be nice.
> Something to indicate that images are not being loaded by default would be
> good. A way to interpolate text only pages would be good for
> speed/traffic/storage.
> Also, a bookmark, and index/contents that can skip to a given page would be
> good.
> Additional: The evince based PDF ebook reader (aka. Reader) is way too
> memory intensive for large books. Either a different technology (HTML?
> Mobipocket), or something where the pages are only rendered one at a time,
> rather than caching the render of everything in memory in advance.
> Also; the interface for downloading, and saving books to the local disk is
> horribly horribly confusing.
>
> Food Force II
> Tested on 4 XOs.
> Bit slow and sometimes crashes, but not sure why.
> Took us a while to work out that without books no one goes to school... how
> do we put XOs in the school? Without medicine the hospital does not work. A
> tutorial would be great - like etoys tutorial please.
> The music on one XO is jittery. Clean reboot twice it still does jittery
> sound.
> When we buy and sell resources but the numbers are meaningless to us.
> Farm setup - It would be cool to have a drag pie graph that allows you to
> choose what percentage of rice, veges and beans you want to plant.
> Houses - have to setup one house at a time, would like bulk build (could
> even add a cheaper to build in bulk component).
> Facilities were shutting down due to lack of resources but running so slow
> we could not buy resources quick enough.
>
> TamTamMini
> Smashing of multiple keys (as expected of 2 year old) results in speaker
> overload and distortion.
>
> Pulling apart XOs.
> We learned how to pull apart and put back together five XOs today. Great
> learning for us so we can refurbish and replace bits. Great for non hardware
> people in the group to fill in some gaps in our knowledge. We were all happy
> when we put them back together with no left over screws!
>
>
> Another successful day.
>
> Kind regards
> Tabitha Roder
>
> (64)21482229
>
> Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
>



-- 

Robert Orben  - "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even
more so."
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From aperson39 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:28:12 2009
From: aperson39 at gmail.com (Alastair Munro)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:28:12 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Saturday Testing
Message-ID: <64e9bacd0901212328q68d449e0g5f7a162cc58f9411@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Wellington testers

Testing this week is just going to be a standard test session with no
special events or talks organised.
Usual time: 10:30ish
Usual place: The Southern Cross, Able Smith St, Wellington

Hope to see you all there

Regards,
Alastair Munro
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From aperson39 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 20:09:39 2009
From: aperson39 at gmail.com (Alastair Munro)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:09:39 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Saturday 24th Jan, Testing Summary
Message-ID: <64e9bacd0901241709t29fb8473tac6d8929eab361f8@mail.gmail.com>

Who was there: Uli +2 daughters(Stella & Lea), Grant, Gustav, Karl, Alastair

Help-10
B/W mode works, Resize doesnt resize the screen properly. 90 degree rotation
cuts off part of the screen, 180 degree rotation works.
Would be useful to highlight the current section that is being looked at as
it gets very confusing knowing which section you are looking at. When
hovering over an option a box is shown but cant click anywhere in the box to
open section only on the text. Turtle Art "Getting Started" section is
missing images.

Browse-98
Collaboration (network sharing) only opens same app (same as wikipedia), not
the same page. Does this count as the sharing that was expected? I would
think that sharing a browse session over the neighbourhood would share the
same page so people could browse same thing.

TurtleArt-7
There was some testing done on TurtleArt but we later realised that we were
a few versions behind rendering most of our testing inaccurate.

Wikipedia-en 4
On one XO failed to launch, on another one it showed a black screen and XO
stopped responding for a while and then showed a rainbow daemon error screen
then eventually loaded activity.

Once loaded works well. Rotate works (with proper scroll with d-pad an so
on), dimming to monochrome works. Zoom works (albeit slowly). Fullscreen
works. Sharing only opens same app, not same page or view. Is this activity
designed to have true collaboration?

On XO that failed to launch the activity, logs indicate that getting
activity info from the registry failed, and the activity makes no attempt to
handle this situation, simply crashing. Log included as
org.laptop.WikipediaActivityEN-1.log. Build: 767 Sugar: 0.82.1

TamTamMini 49
Works well. When scrolling through the panels on the main page Cursor down /
up keys don't trigger scrolling, when you get to the bottom of the current
column it keeps selecting tiles that are no longer visible on the screen. It
would be great if cursor triggers scrolling. same with the game keys. Rotate
keys - horizontal view cuts the left menu off - scrollbar in the instrument
selection would be good.


All up a good testing session, thanks everyone

Regards,
Alastair Munro
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From gary at garycmartin.com  Sat Jan 24 20:39:39 2009
From: gary at garycmartin.com (Gary C Martin)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:39:39 +0000
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Testing] Saturday 24th Jan, Testing Summary
In-Reply-To: <64e9bacd0901241709t29fb8473tac6d8929eab361f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64e9bacd0901241709t29fb8473tac6d8929eab361f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <272ACD27-4F76-4DBC-BAB3-0076C23D000E@garycmartin.com>

Hi Alastair,

Good reports from the nz team as usual :-)

On 25 Jan 2009, at 01:09, Alastair Munro wrote:

> Browse-98
> Collaboration (network sharing) only opens same app (same as  
> wikipedia), not the same page. Does this count as the sharing that  
> was expected? I would think that sharing a browse session over the  
> neighbourhood would share the same page so people could browse same  
> thing.

Collaboration in browse shares bookmarked favourites (star a few pages  
so they appear across the bottom). Each should show in the users own  
colours, so a couple of folks can go hunting/sharing their research  
topic finds together*** ? it's been a while since I last tried this so  
your milage may vary...

*** My attempt at use case: teacher finds several web pages for a  
topic being taught, class then join teachers shared session, review  
pages, and share new relevant pages they find with the group.

I do like the idea of the current sharers page being the default, but  
this breaks down if you join a session with more than one other person  
(whose current page should be the one you default to). Collaboration  
(with more than 2) is really a very tough problem to solve well :-)

Many thanks for the reports!

Regards,
--Gary

From martin.langhoff at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 21:50:14 2009
From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:50:14 +0100
Subject: [olpc-nz] Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
Message-ID: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>

The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
that trick's getting old...

So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
"fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
on activity creation. The welly testers get together once a week, for
~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.

I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand the
XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
areas.

There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be part of it too.

Outcomes
? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches, more
activities?
? more expert testers...
? resulting materials and sliderware
? video of the session - also freely licensed

Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking audience in
Welly.

cheers,



m
-- 
 martin.langhoff at gmail.com
 martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
 - ask interesting questions
 - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
 - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff

From wadetb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 11:21:18 2009
From: wadetb at gmail.com (Wade Brainerd)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:21:18 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7087c32a0901260821g75add785j2936d3effe5136b3@mail.gmail.com>

I've been doing my best to collect information on getting started here.
http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources

Note that it's focused on activity development.

-Wade

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Martin Langhoff
<martin.langhoff at gmail.com>wrote:

> The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
> programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
> that trick's getting old...
>
> So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
> "fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
> half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
> on activity creation. The welly testers get together once a week, for
> ~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.
>
> I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand the
> XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
> areas.
>
> There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be part of it
> too.
>
> Outcomes
> ? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches, more
> activities?
> ? more expert testers...
> ? resulting materials and sliderware
> ? video of the session - also freely licensed
>
> Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
> circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking audience in
> Welly.
>
> cheers,
>
>
>
> m
> --
>  martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>  martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>  - ask interesting questions
>  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
>  - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
> _______________________________________________
> olpc-nz mailing list
> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
>
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From geirea at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 12:03:18 2009
From: geirea at gmail.com (Gabriel Eirea)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:03:18 -0200
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel]  Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901260821g75add785j2936d3effe5136b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7087c32a0901260821g75add785j2936d3effe5136b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c866f940901260903q2f9a6454taa930a1a00aed0ae@mail.gmail.com>

We are planning a Documentation Jam in Uruguay for late February. I
think Wade's page is an excellent starting point but we want to do it
in Spanish and to write it from our own experience. Many of us started
almost from scratch and we want to reflect on the learning curve and
get to the essentials so new people can join in with less effort.

We have very little experience with Sugar itself. We want to focus at
this stage on activities, so we plan to cover things like Python,
PyGtk, Cairo, Pango, Pygame, bundling, using git, using trac, using
pot files, collaboration, datastore, etc.

If you have any new materials or comments, they would be much apprecited.

Regards,

Gabriel

2009/1/26 Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com>:
> I've been doing my best to collect information on getting started here.
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources
>
> Note that it's focused on activity development.
> -Wade
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
>> programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
>> that trick's getting old...
>>
>> So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
>> "fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
>> half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
>> on activity creation. The welly testers get together once a week, for
>> ~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.
>>
>> I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand the
>> XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
>> areas.
>>
>> There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be part of it
>> too.
>>
>> Outcomes
>> ? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches, more
>> activities?
>> ? more expert testers...
>> ? resulting materials and sliderware
>> ? video of the session - also freely licensed
>>
>> Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
>> circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking audience in
>> Welly.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> m
>> --
>>  martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>>  martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>>  - ask interesting questions
>>  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
>>  - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
>> _______________________________________________
>> olpc-nz mailing list
>> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
>

From brenda at coffee.geek.nz  Mon Jan 26 14:26:45 2009
From: brenda at coffee.geek.nz (Brenda Wallace)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:26:45 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel]  Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <3c866f940901260903q2f9a6454taa930a1a00aed0ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c866f940901260903q2f9a6454taa930a1a00aed0ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E631F09-9D5E-49CB-BA15-711542863EAA@coffee.geek.nz>

I've got a book on python for sugar somewhere. My memory of attempts  
was lotsa watching git darcs and svk pulls followed by days of  
watching builds and then a error. Then trying again the next day  
hoping it was fixed in trunk/head

On 27/01/2009, at 6:03, Gabriel Eirea <geirea at gmail.com> wrote:

> We are planning a Documentation Jam in Uruguay for late February. I
> think Wade's page is an excellent starting point but we want to do it
> in Spanish and to write it from our own experience. Many of us started
> almost from scratch and we want to reflect on the learning curve and
> get to the essentials so new people can join in with less effort.
>
> We have very little experience with Sugar itself. We want to focus at
> this stage on activities, so we plan to cover things like Python,
> PyGtk, Cairo, Pango, Pygame, bundling, using git, using trac, using
> pot files, collaboration, datastore, etc.
>
> If you have any new materials or comments, they would be much  
> apprecited.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gabriel
>
> 2009/1/26 Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com>:
>> I've been doing my best to collect information on getting started  
>> here.
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources
>>
>> Note that it's focused on activity development.
>> -Wade
>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff at gmail.com 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
>>> programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
>>> that trick's getting old...
>>>
>>> So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
>>> "fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
>>> half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
>>> on activity creation. The welly testers get together once a week,  
>>> for
>>> ~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.
>>>
>>> I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand  
>>> the
>>> XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
>>> areas.
>>>
>>> There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be  
>>> part of it
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Outcomes
>>> ? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches, 
>>>  more
>>> activities?
>>> ? more expert testers...
>>> ? resulting materials and sliderware
>>> ? video of the session - also freely licensed
>>>
>>> Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
>>> circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking  
>>> audience in
>>> Welly.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> m
>>> --
>>> martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>>> martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>>> - ask interesting questions
>>> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
>>> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> olpc-nz mailing list
>>> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> olpc-nz mailing list
> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz

From marcopg at sugarlabs.org  Mon Jan 26 15:35:03 2009
From: marcopg at sugarlabs.org (Marco Pesenti Gritti)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:35:03 +0100
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel]  Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901260821g75add785j2936d3effe5136b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7087c32a0901260821g75add785j2936d3effe5136b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b72e64730901261235n30fd51b0n4d9ea483aa352961@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been doing my best to collect information on getting started here.
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources
>
> Note that it's focused on activity development.

This looks pretty good, Wade. Thanks for putting it together!

I don't think we have anything like this about the Sugar core. I'll
try to put something together.

Marco

From mel at melchua.com  Wed Jan 28 10:02:59 2009
From: mel at melchua.com (Mel Chua)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:02:59 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] In Wellington until Sunday
Message-ID: <498073A3.9030300@melchua.com>

Hello, everyone!

I'm in Wellington (many thanks to Tabitha and Edward for hosting me in 
their lovely new apartment!) until Sunday, and would love to meet up 
with people, bounce ideas off, test, teach, learn, and roam around this 
gorgeous city (where I've been discovering this unusual thing called 
Good Coffee).

I'll be at the testing meetup on Saturday but am generally otherwise 
free - anyone interested? Some stuff I'm working on / on my "do this?" 
queue, for starters:

* starting my own learning log as an eat-your-own-dogfood exercise in 
educational philosophy (not just technology)
* thinking about curriculum coverage and impact, and how to reach out 
more to educators
* making a howto on exploratory pair testing of Sugar, after learning 
from the Welly testers
* getting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora working for Sugar Labs 
Activity hosting (including your test results)
* 8.2.1 testing
* OLPC's QA community
* Sugar On $different_platforms! installfest/release-notes
* grassroots communities and local labs: getting stories and feedback 
(from people like you!)
* making Colin Zwiebel's GuruFest (and meetings/events in general) more 
globally accessible
* playing with sensors
* hunting for a Sugar Labs marketing person
* playing with art tweaks
* ....and much much more.

But above and beyond that, I want to hear what *you* are working on, 
what you are interested in, what we can do to help you be Totally 
Awesome. I've got a lot to learn from the folks here, and I'm eager to 
meet people, hear stories, and share them.

So - who's around? I'll be checking email, but in case I go wandering 
through the city, I can be texted pretty much 24/7 at +1.847.970.8484.

--Mel
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mchua

From tomeu at sugarlabs.org  Wed Jan 28 12:40:54 2009
From: tomeu at sugarlabs.org (Tomeu Vizoso)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:40:54 +0100
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel]  Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <2E631F09-9D5E-49CB-BA15-711542863EAA@coffee.geek.nz>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c866f940901260903q2f9a6454taa930a1a00aed0ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E631F09-9D5E-49CB-BA15-711542863EAA@coffee.geek.nz>
Message-ID: <242851610901280940p5cb93c72l1f8a467ae23b57f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 20:26, Brenda Wallace <brenda at coffee.geek.nz> wrote:
> I've got a book on python for sugar somewhere. My memory of attempts
> was lotsa watching git darcs and svk pulls followed by days of
> watching builds and then a error. Then trying again the next day
> hoping it was fixed in trunk/head

That sounds horrible, I really trust we have improved a lot since those days ;)

Regards,

Tomeu

> On 27/01/2009, at 6:03, Gabriel Eirea <geirea at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We are planning a Documentation Jam in Uruguay for late February. I
>> think Wade's page is an excellent starting point but we want to do it
>> in Spanish and to write it from our own experience. Many of us started
>> almost from scratch and we want to reflect on the learning curve and
>> get to the essentials so new people can join in with less effort.
>>
>> We have very little experience with Sugar itself. We want to focus at
>> this stage on activities, so we plan to cover things like Python,
>> PyGtk, Cairo, Pango, Pygame, bundling, using git, using trac, using
>> pot files, collaboration, datastore, etc.
>>
>> If you have any new materials or comments, they would be much
>> apprecited.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gabriel
>>
>> 2009/1/26 Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com>:
>>> I've been doing my best to collect information on getting started
>>> here.
>>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Resources
>>>
>>> Note that it's focused on activity development.
>>> -Wade
>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
>>>> programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
>>>> that trick's getting old...
>>>>
>>>> So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
>>>> "fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
>>>> half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
>>>> on activity creation. The welly testers get together once a week,
>>>> for
>>>> ~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.
>>>>
>>>> I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand
>>>> the
>>>> XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
>>>> areas.
>>>>
>>>> There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be
>>>> part of it
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Outcomes
>>>> ? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches,
>>>>  more
>>>> activities?
>>>> ? more expert testers...
>>>> ? resulting materials and sliderware
>>>> ? video of the session - also freely licensed
>>>>
>>>> Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
>>>> circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking
>>>> audience in
>>>> Welly.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>> --
>>>> martin.langhoff at gmail.com
>>>> martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
>>>> - ask interesting questions
>>>> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
>>>> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> olpc-nz mailing list
>>>> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
>>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> olpc-nz mailing list
>> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
> _______________________________________________
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>

From tomeu at sugarlabs.org  Wed Jan 28 05:44:37 2009
From: tomeu at sugarlabs.org (Tomeu Vizoso)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:44:37 +0100
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel] Hints for a Sugar dev intro?
In-Reply-To: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46a038f90901251850s3f90af3dq72e871deb9d09fa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <242851610901280244k6f3d3b85v5d037d6772c8d1d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:50, Martin Langhoff
<martin.langhoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to
> programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but
> that trick's getting old...
>
> So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a
> "fast-track into Sugar development" workshop. I am thinking of 2
> half-day sessions, one focused on the Sugar stack and the second one
> on activity creation.

What about starting with 1 hour presentation on what Sugar is, why
some things are different from other desktops and a general
introduction to what activities are, the journal, collaboration model,
etc. Then spend some hours going through a basic Hello World activity,
then put people to work in groups or separate on their starter
activities?

Also, I think that these sessions would be much more productive if
attendants could have gone through the pygtk tutorial before, sections
1-6 + 10: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html

> The welly testers get together once a week, for
> ~4hs -- so that limits the format in this case.

I think that's pretty good.

> I won't be the best guy to deliver it, but I'll try. I understand the
> XO stack fairly well, but I'm not a Sugar dev, so patchy in some
> areas.

Everybody can be a Sugar dev! :p

> There's an active python UG in Welly, so maybe they want to be part of it too.

That sounds worth trying.

> Outcomes
> ? more devs knowing Sugar stack and activities ==> more patches, more
> activities?
> ? more expert testers...
> ? resulting materials and sliderware
> ? video of the session - also freely licensed

Yeah, something like this needs to happen, the sooner the better.
Thanks a lot for pushing for it yourself.

> Now that I think of it, it'd be great to do it in Spanish, and
> circulate it in Uy. Sadly, I don't have a spanish-speaking audience in
> Welly.

Yeah, maybe after you share your experiences other people can
replicate in their countries?

Thanks again,

Tomeu

From brenda at wallace.net.nz  Wed Jan 28 16:49:59 2009
From: brenda at wallace.net.nz (Brenda Wallace)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:49:59 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] In Wellington until Sunday
In-Reply-To: <498073A3.9030300@melchua.com>
References: <498073A3.9030300@melchua.com>
Message-ID: <b1a8dc1e0901281349h42137a99x996553234c2a60a9@mail.gmail.com>

If you're looking for sommething geeky to do - Thursday night curry
would be tonight
http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Mel Chua <mel at melchua.com> wrote:
> Hello, everyone!
>
> I'm in Wellington (many thanks to Tabitha and Edward for hosting me in
> their lovely new apartment!) until Sunday, and would love to meet up
> with people, bounce ideas off, test, teach, learn, and roam around this
> gorgeous city (where I've been discovering this unusual thing called
> Good Coffee).
>
> I'll be at the testing meetup on Saturday but am generally otherwise
> free - anyone interested? Some stuff I'm working on / on my "do this?"
> queue, for starters:
>
> * starting my own learning log as an eat-your-own-dogfood exercise in
> educational philosophy (not just technology)
> * thinking about curriculum coverage and impact, and how to reach out
> more to educators
> * making a howto on exploratory pair testing of Sugar, after learning
> from the Welly testers
> * getting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora working for Sugar Labs
> Activity hosting (including your test results)
> * 8.2.1 testing
> * OLPC's QA community
> * Sugar On $different_platforms! installfest/release-notes
> * grassroots communities and local labs: getting stories and feedback
> (from people like you!)
> * making Colin Zwiebel's GuruFest (and meetings/events in general) more
> globally accessible
> * playing with sensors
> * hunting for a Sugar Labs marketing person
> * playing with art tweaks
> * ....and much much more.
>
> But above and beyond that, I want to hear what *you* are working on,
> what you are interested in, what we can do to help you be Totally
> Awesome. I've got a lot to learn from the folks here, and I'm eager to
> meet people, hear stories, and share them.
>
> So - who's around? I'll be checking email, but in case I go wandering
> through the city, I can be texted pretty much 24/7 at +1.847.970.8484.
>
> --Mel
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mchua
> _______________________________________________
> olpc-nz mailing list
> olpc-nz at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz
>



-- 
No Guilt apon accusation!
http://creativefreedom.org.nz

From wadetb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 18:17:33 2009
From: wadetb at gmail.com (Wade Brainerd)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:17:33 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
Message-ID: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.

http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings

All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
following kinds of people well represented:

- Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
- Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
Sugar activities at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus
.
- Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
yesterday.
- G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
- Representatives from the other SL teams.

Hope to see you there,

-Wade
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From gdk at redhat.com  Wed Jan 28 18:24:31 2009
From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:24:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [olpc-nz] [IAEP] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0901281824200.3527@localhost.localdomain>


Will this be a continuing weekly meeting?

--g

--
Got an XO that you're not using?  Loan it to a needy developer!
   [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Wade Brainerd wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> 
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> 
> All are encouraged to attend. ?I will be especially happy to see the
> following kinds of people well represented:
> 
> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
> Sugar activities at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
> yesterday.
> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
> - Representatives from the other SL teams.
> 
> Hope to see you there,
> 
> -Wade
> 
>

From sj at laptop.org  Wed Jan 28 18:30:59 2009
From: sj at laptop.org (Samuel Klein)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:30:59 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5396c0d10901281530h3c60155ew968fcfa6d22d07bf@mail.gmail.com>

Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
activity discussion.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
> following kinds of people well represented:
> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
> Sugar activities at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
> yesterday.
> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
> - Representatives from the other SL teams.
> Hope to see you there,
> -Wade
> _______________________________________________
> Activities mailing list
> Activities at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities
>
>

From martin.langhoff at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 20:38:08 2009
From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:38:08 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Recovering some laptops...
Message-ID: <46a038f90901281738g1b6a59f8recf0146607c004e4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi hi hi!

I'm back in Welly, jetlagged, doing more work on the XS. Hoping to
join this Saturday testing.

To be able to work on ejabberd/presence service (managing what other
laptops appear in the 'network view') I need... laptops! :-) So this
Saturday it'd be great if volunteers bring the laptops to the event
and then leave them with me for the week.

I don't need all ~5 will do, and I see we have 10 total. So if you're
testing/programming during the week, I won't try to take it away from
you.

- Is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/WellyNZTesters up to date?
- Is everyone in that table sub'd to this list?

cheers!



m

-- 
 martin.langhoff at gmail.com
 martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
 - ask interesting questions
 - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
 - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff

From brenda at coffee.geek.nz  Wed Jan 28 20:39:29 2009
From: brenda at coffee.geek.nz (Brenda Wallace)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:39:29 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1a8dc1e0901281739p5380e1a4l5401d52e939ab930@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.

EST would be Eastern summer time (australia) - right?

From bryan at olenepal.org  Wed Jan 28 21:20:30 2009
From: bryan at olenepal.org (Bryan Berry)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:05:30 +0545
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1233195630.6314.40.camel@hitman>

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> 
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> 
> 
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> 
> 

Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST
translates to 2 AM Saturday morning. 

I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed
previously. 

I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily
add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task
on the ToDo List

We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure
this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source
so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if
the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has
contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon.
 	

-- 
Bryan W. Berry
Technology Director
OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org


From alsroot at member.fsf.org  Wed Jan 28 21:35:57 2009
From: alsroot at member.fsf.org (Aleksey Lim)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:35:57 +0000
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <1233195630.6314.40.camel@hitman>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1233195630.6314.40.camel@hitman>
Message-ID: <20090129023557.GA21323@antilopa-gnu>

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 08:05:30AM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
> > Hi everyone, 
> > 
> > 
> > Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> > Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> > 
> > 
> > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> > 
> > 
> 
> Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST
> translates to 2 AM Saturday morning. 
> 
> I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed
> previously. 
> 
> I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily
> add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task
> on the ToDo List
> 
> We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure
> this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source
> so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if
> the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has
> contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon.

its(adding new intruments) already in progress :)

-- 
Aleksey

From tabitha.roder at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 03:16:36 2009
From: tabitha.roder at gmail.com (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:16:36 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Wellington OLPC/Sugar volunteer group - meeting this
	Saturday 10.30am, Southern Cross
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901290016q4b0dd08aj99083963816d2407@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Another Saturday is coming up fast and it has been an exciting week! With
Mel Chua visiting us for a WEEK we have had some fantastic opportunities to
tap into her expertise and she is excited about coming to testing this
weekend to see how we roll, with the offer of showing us how to make sensors
for TurtleArt. Mel also eager to learn about and document how the Welly test
group works, because of interest in starting a similar group back in Boston.
Mel also gave us a wee XO gift which we will bring along for you to try out.

Walter gave two presentations (thanks Catalyst for hosting venue and
refreshments, thanks Computer Clubhouse for paying for Walters flights)
about Sugarlabs and has helped us to see different places Sugar can be used
around NZ and the Pacific region.

So usual story:
10.30am kick off at The Cross, 35 Abel Smith Street, see you there!


Kind regards
Tabitha Roder

(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From morgan.collett at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 04:59:35 2009
From: morgan.collett at gmail.com (Morgan Collett)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:59:35 +0200
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e01c24400901290159w31d4f7a2pa7babb8fd9703e29@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 01:17, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
> All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
> following kinds of people well represented:
> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
> Sugar activities at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
> yesterday.
> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
> - Representatives from the other SL teams.

I'd love to be involved, but that's 10PM on a Friday for me... please
take good minutes and I'll try to contribute on the lists.

Perhaps future meetings could alternate with an earlier time?

Regards
Morgan

From sj at laptop.org  Thu Jan 29 14:37:24 2009
From: sj at laptop.org (Samuel Klein)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:37:24 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Activities] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <5396c0d10901281530h3c60155ew968fcfa6d22d07bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5396c0d10901281530h3c60155ew968fcfa6d22d07bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5396c0d10901291137l33f6294al9ef8c08ff12c103f@mail.gmail.com>

I should add - with an in-person meeting in Cambridge
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-open/2009-January/001318.html

People who will be focused on the activities chat but want to get
together in person are welcome.

SJ

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Samuel Klein <sj at laptop.org> wrote:
> Note: there will also be a global volunteering meeting at the same
> time in #olpc from 3-5, and we will drop in and join for some of the
> activity discussion.
>
> SJ
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
>> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
>> All are encouraged to attend.  I will be especially happy to see the
>> following kinds of people well represented:
>> - Current and former activity developers, maintainers, packagers, testers!
>> - Kind souls willing to help slog through and categorize the hundreds of
>> Sugar activities at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus.
>> - Deployment representatives who need activities & activity features
>> yesterday.
>> - G1G1 participants who want to get involved.
>> - Representatives from the other SL teams.
>> Hope to see you there,
>> -Wade
>> _______________________________________________
>> Activities mailing list
>> Activities at lists.laptop.org
>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities
>>
>>
>

From sj at laptop.org  Thu Jan 29 14:40:18 2009
From: sj at laptop.org (Samuel Klein)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:40:18 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] [Sugar-devel] ActivityTeam inaugural meeting
In-Reply-To: <1233195630.6314.40.camel@hitman>
References: <7087c32a0901281517x46376243xc4ae3d6fe0fe0e3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1233195630.6314.40.camel@hitman>
Message-ID: <5396c0d10901291140m499d578dpb14078938724f7ff@mail.gmail.com>

In that vein, I'd love for someone to document how to add new
graph-reviewing, labelling, and import/export options to Measure.
Using graphs one has made, or looking at a history of graphs made and
data gathered, is hard -- not necc. easy enough to use in an ongoing
science experiment.

--SJ


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 18:17 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>> Please join us for the first Sugar Labs ActivityTeam IRC meeting this
>> Friday, 3PM EST in #sugar-meeting on FreeNode.
>>
>>
>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/Meetings
>>
>>
>
> Wade, great idea! I would love to attend but unfortunately 3 PM EST
> translates to 2 AM Saturday morning.
>
> I do have an item to add to the agenda, which you and I have discussed
> previously.
>
> I would love for someone on the activityTeam to document how to easily
> add new instruments to TamTam. I have added this as a High-impact task
> on the ToDo List
>
> We do have a Nepali volunteer Vrishank Khanal who is trying to figure
> this out. Vrishank is brand-new to linux, programming, and open-source
> so adding instruments to TamTam may be beyond his current abilities if
> the task requires C Programming and/or CSound scripting. He has
> contacted Jean Piche. Let's hope he hears back soon.
>
>
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Devel mailing list
> Devel at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
>

From martin.langhoff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 18:52:58 2009
From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:52:58 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Fwd: 8.2.1 Release Status - Thursday, Jan. 29, 2008
In-Reply-To: <20090129192808.GA3043@heat>
References: <20090129192808.GA3043@heat>
Message-ID: <46a038f90901291552y681509cs66630cffc3a73191@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Stone <michael at laptop.org>
Date: Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Subject: 8.2.1 Release Status - Thursday, Jan. 29, 2008
To: devel at lists.laptop.org, sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org,
testing at lists.laptop.org


Folks,

I just thought I'd offer some unofficial advice on the state of 8.2.1 for
interested listeners:

  a) In the last several weeks, there has been significant package churn at all
     levels of the stack including:

       kernel bootanim bootfw olpc-utils libX11 xkeyboard-config sugar-journal
       glibc glibc-common

     as described in more detail by

       http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/staging-pkgs.html and
       http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/staging-pkgs.html

     As a result, we're bottle-necked on QA.

  b) Some dedicated volunteers -- notably S Page, dsd, TJB, kimquirk, Hal
     Murray, genesee, tiesj, greebo, Mikus, John Ferlito, and ivazquez (thanks
     all!) -- have done some fine work getting us unstuck on QA!

     In particular, their volunteer wifi testing turned up #9222 which dsd
     thinks he fixed this morning from Paraguay! However, I think that there
     might be more wireless regressions -- please keep trying to break things
     with recent staging builds!

  c) Mitch has worked long and hard on #9045, which was one of the tickets
     motivating this release!

     Today, he delivered a new firmware, q2e30, which you should all help
     test.  It's available in staging >= 25 and it needs both serious
     regression testing, e.g.

        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/1_hour_smoke_test

     and some dedicated feature testing according to the test plan laid out by
     Mitch here:

        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Firmware_security#Multiple-Key_Support

     (I had so much fun making my own keys last night that I stayed up after an
     evening out on the town with Henry & friends to help Mitch test this!)

  d) Somebody needs to provide appropriate activities for our smoke tests
     (preferably via customization stick) and to make sure that those
     activities are properly listed on the usual laptop.org wiki pages. Help
     wanted!

     Wade -- is this something that your new activity team would like to help
     with?

  e) In conclusion, 8.2.1 seems to me to have been put back on track by the
     unrivaled commitment of you, our dedicated Friends in Testing. Thanks!

Regards,

Michael

(P.S. - Thanks also to Chris for keeping things rolling by wrangling builds and
tickets at all hours of the day.) :)

(P.P.S. - If you're looking for something to test this week, please try out my
refreshed

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing

instructions!)
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-- 
 martin.langhoff at gmail.com
 martin at laptop.org -- School Server Architect
 - ask interesting questions
 - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
 - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff

From tabitha.roder at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 18:34:57 2009
From: tabitha.roder at gmail.com (Tabitha Roder)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:34:57 +1300
Subject: [olpc-nz] Testing summary - 31 January 2009
Message-ID: <72d5c8fd0901301534g5b0e30cag5cfc5162ff65d066@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Who was here: Mel Chua, Becky, Alastair, Ed, Tabitha, Grant, Carl, Bob

What did we do:
Sensors -
big fail on the magnets and wires sensors... could only generate a couple of
millivolts but major success on the resistance test!!! Using usb power
proved to be too sensitive but using just the microphone ports gave us a
good range. Measure responded well on the resistance test but as noted the
magnets and wires didn't generate enough power. Also plugged the resistance
sensor into Turtle Art Portfolio 9. Grant was doing some major design work
in turtle art and the resistance sensor gave a good degree of analog
variance...

TurtleArt Portfolio version 9 tests
Had problems when creating a presentation with enough slides that it went
off the edge. If you've pulled the slides up in order to add more to the
bottom and try to drag them back down into the window, the blocks become
disconnected and the beginning of the presentation is lost outside the
borders and I was unable to retrieve them.

SugarModification
When modifying the views in sugar, it turns out that the identifier for the
sunflower view is set to spiral-view, so that when adding the actual Spiral
view from the insructions on the FOSS Sugar Manual and changing the
identifier from my-layout to spiral-layout which seemed more logical it
conflicted with with the sunflower view causing the default view setting to
have problems.

Chat across 3 o/s
Tried to reproduce behaviour of trac bug 7706 (Chat Text doesn't appear on
Mac iChat window unless you close it First), instead just got errors every
time attempted to send messages from iChat to XO. Will do further debugging
at home with packet sniffer.

Thanks everyone!

Kind regards
Tabitha Roder

(64)21482229

Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
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From walter.bender at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 19:42:01 2009
From: walter.bender at gmail.com (Walter Bender)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:42:01 -0500
Subject: [olpc-nz] Testing summary - 31 January 2009
In-Reply-To: <72d5c8fd0901301534g5b0e30cag5cfc5162ff65d066@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72d5c8fd0901301534g5b0e30cag5cfc5162ff65d066@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd535e260901301642g18035713pbbc14c616508c60e@mail.gmail.com>

Great stuff. Thanks.

In regard to the Turtle Art problem, the short-term work-around is a
block found on the "flow" palette. It has a lock icon on the block. It
will lock all the blocks above it so that you can move them off screen
without worrying about losing them. In the near term, I will try to
make the surface scroll so that you can have more room for your
layouts.

See http://sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Lock-block.png for an example.

regards.

-walter

2009/1/30 Tabitha Roder <tabitha.roder at gmail.com>:
> Hello
>
> Who was here: Mel Chua, Becky, Alastair, Ed, Tabitha, Grant, Carl, Bob
>
> What did we do:
> Sensors -
> big fail on the magnets and wires sensors... could only generate a couple of
> millivolts but major success on the resistance test!!! Using usb power
> proved to be too sensitive but using just the microphone ports gave us a
> good range. Measure responded well on the resistance test but as noted the
> magnets and wires didn't generate enough power. Also plugged the resistance
> sensor into Turtle Art Portfolio 9. Grant was doing some major design work
> in turtle art and the resistance sensor gave a good degree of analog
> variance...
>
> TurtleArt Portfolio version 9 tests
> Had problems when creating a presentation with enough slides that it went
> off the edge. If you've pulled the slides up in order to add more to the
> bottom and try to drag them back down into the window, the blocks become
> disconnected and the beginning of the presentation is lost outside the
> borders and I was unable to retrieve them.
>
> SugarModification
> When modifying the views in sugar, it turns out that the identifier for the
> sunflower view is set to spiral-view, so that when adding the actual Spiral
> view from the insructions on the FOSS Sugar Manual and changing the
> identifier from my-layout to spiral-layout which seemed more logical it
> conflicted with with the sunflower view causing the default view setting to
> have problems.
>
> Chat across 3 o/s
> Tried to reproduce behaviour of trac bug 7706 (Chat Text doesn't appear on
> Mac iChat window unless you close it First), instead just got errors every
> time attempted to send messages from iChat to XO. Will do further debugging
> at home with packet sniffer.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> Kind regards
> Tabitha Roder
>
> (64)21482229
>
> Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Devel mailing list
> Devel at lists.laptop.org
> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
>
>



-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org