Amos,<br><br>I will reach out to the Gnome i18n folks for some assistance. Claude Paroz (a Gnome i8n group leader) has been very helpful and has a strong interest in glibc locales.<br><br>The draft PE_quz and PE_aym locales that we collaborated on have been very useful in testing the L10n work initiated by SomosAzucar, but they have never been submitted upstream to the glibc repository because they needed additional polishing work, like the sorting order you've raised and other elements like the Yes/No messages. This is the perfect opportunity for us to renew our collaboration on these locales and get them into a finished form for upstreaming to glibc where they will be available to anyone and not just in private copies of the drafts we have been using so far. I am more than happy to work with you on this.<br>
<br>I've learned a lot about glibc locales since our initial work and I am sure this will be a very productive collaboration that will benefit all speakers of those languages we work on.<br><br>There is lots of technical stuff (like converting the characters to Unicode representations for use by glibc locales and so forth, but nothing that I cannot achieve in consultation with you on the language details and some help from the Gnome folks on other aspects.<br>
<br>I am very glad you are interested in revisiting this earlier, but incomplete, effort.<br><br>Warmest Regards,<br><br>cjl<br>Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Amos Batto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amosbatto@yahoo.com" target="_blank">amosbatto@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Hi Chris, <br>I have been trying to use the locale files that you created on my computer. I noticed that the Quechua and Aymara locales lack the correct collation order so that text will sort correctly in alphabetical order. I currently am designing a PostgreSQL database which will be the backend to a web page where people can help create quechua, aymara and guaraní dictionaries online, but I need proper sorting in Linux for the database.<br>
<br>Here is the correct sort order for Quechua:<br>(All the standard punctuation and other symbols)<br>A<br>Á<br>B (loan words from Spanish)<br>C (loan words from Spanish)<br>CH<br>CHH<br>CH'<br>D (loan words from Spanish)<br>
E (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>É (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>
F (Alphabet from Primer Congreso Mundial de Quechua)<br>G (loan words from Spanish)<br>H <br>I <br>Í<br>J (Alphabet from the Bolivian Ministry of Education and Primer Congreso Mundial de Quechua)<br>K <br>KH<br>K'<br>
L<br>LL<br>M<br>N<br>Ñ<br>O (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>Ó (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>P<br>PH<br>P'<br>Q<br>QH<br>Q'<br>R<br>S<br>SH (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>T<br>TH<br>T'<br>U<br>Ú<br>
Ü (loan words from Spanish)<br>V (loan words from Spanish)<br>W<br>X (non standard alphabet used by UMSA and UPEA)<br>Y<br>Z (loan words from Spanish)<br><br>To cover all the possible alphabets and any loan words from Spanish I
have included many letters which aren't in the standard 3-vowel alphabet used by the Peruvian Ministry of Education.<br>
<br><br>For Aymara, the collation is very similar:<br><br>
(All the standard punctuation and other symbols)<br>
A<br>
Á (loan words from Spanish)<br>Ä<br>
B (loan words from Spanish)<br>
C (loan words from Spanish)<br>
CH<br>
CHH<br>
CH'<br>
D (loan words from Spanish)<br>
E (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>
É (loan words from Spanish)<br>Ë (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>
F (loan words from Spanish)<br>
G (loan words from Spanish)<br>
H (loan words from Spanish) <br>
I <br>
Í (loan words from Spanish)<br>Ï<br>
J <br>
K <br>
KH<br>
K'<br>
L<br>
LL<br>
M<br>
N<br>
Ñ<br>
O (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>
Ó (loan words from Spanish)<br>Ö (non-standard 5 vowel alphabet)<br>
P<br>
PH<br>
P'<br>
Q<br>
QH<br>
Q'<br>
R<br>
S<br>
T<br>
TH<br>
T'<br>
U<br>
Ú (load words from Spanish)<br>
Ü <br>
V (loan words from Spanish)<br>
W<br>
X <br>
Y<br>
Z (loan words from Spanish)<br><br>I have not been able to figure out how to define a locale in Linux where a letter has more than one character such as CH, CHH, CH', LL, PH, P', etc.<br><br>The documentation on locales doesn't have any information on this problem:<br>
<a href="http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009604599/basedefs/xbd_chap07.html" target="_blank">http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009604599/basedefs/xbd_chap07.html</a><br><br>The sort order in Linux for most languages is defined in the file (on my computer):<br>
/usr/share/i18n/locales/iso14651_t1_common<br>But it doesn't help with this problem.<br><br>Is there any expert who we can ask about this problem? <br><br>Best Regards,<br>Amos<br><br>***********************************************************<br>
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***********************************************************<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 11/13/11, Chris Leonard <i><<a href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com" target="_blank">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Chris Leonard <<a href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com" target="_blank">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [somos-azucar] Peruvian Locales<br>
To: "Lista de correo somosAZUCAR - Sugar Labs Peru" <<a href="mailto:somosazucar@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">somosazucar@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>Cc: "OLPC Localization list" <<a href="mailto:localization@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">localization@lists.laptop.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:malla@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">malla@somosazucar.org</a>, "Runasimipi lista de email" <<a href="mailto:runasimi@somoslibres.org" target="_blank">runasimi@somoslibres.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org</a><br>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011, 10:41 AM<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div><br>Se adjuntan dos borradores de archivos local glibc para Quechua / Cuzco - Collao (quz_PE) y Aymara / Aru (ay_PE).<br><br>Estos archivos ayudan a las computadoras Linux comprender cierta información básica acerca de dónde están y qué idioma debe
hablar y son muy importantes para el uso de las traducciones a realizar.<br>
<br>Podemos trabajar en el perfeccionamiento de estos y presentarlos a la aguas arriba de Gnome en el maratón.<br><br>Gracias a Amos Batto y Edgar Quispe para proporcionar información sobre los nombres de los días y meses para estos primeros borradores.<br>
<br><br>Saludos cordiales<br><br>cjl<br><br>[English]<br><br><br>Attached please find two drafts of glibc locale files for Quechua / Cuzco - Collao (quz_PE) and Aymara / Aru (ay_PE) for use in Peru.<br><br>These files help Linux computers understand certain basic information about where they are and what language they should speak and are very important to the usage of the translations to be performed.<br>
<br>We can work on refining these and submitting them to the Gnome upstream at the marathon.<br><br>Thanks to Amos Batto and Edgar Quispe for providing information on day and month names for these early drafts.<br><br><br>
Warmest Regards <br><br><br>cjl<br> <br>
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