<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Bastien <<a href="mailto:bzg@altern.org" target="_blank">bzg@altern.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Chris and all,<br><br>"Chris Leonard" <<a href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com" target="_blank">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
<br>> I probably have little to contribute to the Kreyol effort itself, so<br>> maybe I don't get a vote, but I would like to encourage you to try to<br>> work within <a href="http://laptop.org/" target="_blank">laptop.org</a> infrastructure (mailing lists, wiki, etc.) as<br>
> opposed to establish a list and archives off-OLPC.<br><br>You get a vote! :)<br><br>But unless there is a pressing threat of massive polical flame, I think<br>I'll go for the separate mailing list. As long as it stays open I don't<br>
really see any problem.<br><br>I named this list straightforward: <a href="mailto:kreyol@lists.olpchaiti.org" target="_blank">kreyol@lists.olpchaiti.org</a> - because<br>it's more about promoting kreyol as an educational language rather than<br>
make sure the Pootle is complete. XOs will be a nice way to promote<br>kreyol, and translating stuff (interface & material) on the XO is key,<br>but the bilinguism issue goes beyong that... I thought putting this<br>
list directly in the hands of the haitian team is just the right way.<br><br>Of course, I'm open to discussion on this. I'm travelling back to<br>France all the WE so please let me know in the meanwhile.</blockquote>
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<div>Bastien,</div>
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<div>There will be no flames coming from me, but I would like to continue the conversation (acknowledging that you've made your choice) because I believe that it is important for OLPC to learn to be good at hosting small communities-of-shared-interest (whether it is Kreyol or other language community or a community based around some other theme like a topic, e.g. math or pedagological theory, etc.). There is no question that it is ultimately a matter of choice to be made by the individual communities. </div>
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<div>I'm very sympathetic to the desire for (and aware of the potential benefits of) local control. Much of what OLPC needs to achieve can only be accomplished with high levels of local ownership (in every sense), but I also think it is important over the long run for OLPC to be able to earn the trust to provide start-up hosting of such infrastructure on behalf of the community (at least at early phases) so that the potential benefits of centralized shared resources for multiple communities may be realized. I spoke out in favor of the keeping the Kreyol discussion on <a href="http://laptop.org/" target="_blank">laptop.org</a> infrastructure because I believe that similar communities will face similar challenges. Some of those challenges will be based on coining new terms in a language that is perhaps not a primary language for technology development, the discussion of that topic alone will certainly be reproduced many times in many languages. </div>
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<div>You say "As long as it stays open I don't really see any problem". Unfortunately, when I went to this link <a href="http://lists.olpchaiti.org/listinfo.cgi" target="_blank">http://lists.olpchaiti.org/listinfo.cgi</a> I saw that the archives were only open to subscribers. The reality is that I am subscribed to too many lists as it is and I will probably not be subscribing to still more when they are not focused on my own area of interest, and so it is unlikely that I would have the opportunity to make any contribution at all (of any sort). I hope that someone will keep lines of communication back to the wiki and <a href="http://laptop.org">laptop.org</a> lists open. It has been sometime since there were any edits on <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Haiti" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Haiti</a></div>
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<div>It would be nice if there were (for instance) some linking of the pictures here:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.olpchaiti.org/interne/images.php" target="_blank">http://www.olpchaiti.org/interne/images.php</a></div></div>
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<div>cjl</div>
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