[Localization] [Sugar-devel] French Help Activity

[David Farning]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com> wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2009, at 18:02, David Farning wrote:
>
>> This might be a ridiculous question....
>>
>> Are the strong reasons for maintaining a help activity rather than
>> just pointing users to a pdf of the help/manual file which is opened
>> with the standard pdf reader?
>
> I think the whole help document as a single PDF would be a likely out of
> memory issue for XO level hardware, and thus hard to navigate. The existing
> Help html format breaks up the document into pages that don't need to be
> processed unless you click through (Navigating deep into a complex PDF even
> if you don't view the initial pages seems to get quite slow).
>
> FWIW, I do have a somewhat related ticket open for Soas:
>
>        http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/840
>
> And did recently comment in a previous email about the possibility of
> breaking up the Help document into sections/chapters and adding them as
> PDF's to the Journal, with good tags, and descriptions for easy searching of
> material directly in the Journal.

Was that the collections post/thread a little while ago?  I remember
skimming it.  Sorry if I stole your idea.

david

> The only real downside is if you relied heavily on inter chapter links (fine
> if your using links between pages of one specific PDF, but not between
> PDFs).
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
>> I just wonder if the extra effort in maintaining localized help
>> activities is worth it at this point.  When we have more resources it
>> might be worth it.
>>
>> david
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:15 AM, LASKE, Lionel (C2S)<LLASKE at c2s.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gary, hi Tomeu,
>>>
>>> I've just explored the Help.Activity directory.
>>> Your answers perfectly make sense for me.
>>>
>>> We target 0.82 so I just need to repackage the zip file with the
>>> localized content to have a working French Help Activity.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for your "Help" ;-)
>>>
>>> Best regards from France.
>>>
>>>       Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Gary C Martin [mailto:gary at garycmartin.com]
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 12 juin 2009 15:41
>>> À : LASKE, Lionel (C2S)
>>> Cc : Sugar Devel; Tomeu Vizoso; localization list olpc
>>> Objet : Re: [Sugar-devel] French Help Activity
>>>
>>> On 12 Jun 2009, at 11:27, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 21:42, LASKE, Lionel (C2S)<LLASKE at c2s.fr>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But of course, we want to go further. Since the last SugarCamp
>>>>> Paris, we
>>>>> dream to build the Help activity in French.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know there was already a talk on the Help activity recently on this
>>>>> mailing list but it was more about maintainability issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point of view is slightly different today: is there a way to do
>>>>> quickly a
>>>>> "one shot" build of the Help Activity in French ?
>>>>
>>>> I think that should be doable, have you already looked the sources? It
>>>> may be a simple matter of changing the html files and the bundle id,
>>>> then rezipping. See here for more info about bundles:
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Activity_Bundles
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure who is maintaining Help right now. Would be good to hear
>>>> other opinions.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what version of Sugar Lionel is targeting, but I've just
>>> tested Help-10 on 0.84 (in SoaS and sugar-jhbuild), and it currently
>>> fails to launch due to changes in the  new version of hulahop.
>>>
>>> If Help-10 is just to run on 0.82 builds you should be able to get
>>> away with just replacing the html content inside the Help bundles
>>> folder (called help). Just to be non-standard with the rest of the
>>> world, the default start page seems to be called "help/
>>> XO_Introduction.html" but it is defined on line 35 of helpactivity.py
>>> so if needed you can change it to point to some other start page.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Gary
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tomeu
>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestion will be welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards from France.
>>>>>
>>>>>                Lionel.
>>>>>
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