[OLPC library] Quiting the library list? Please don't go!
Samuel Klein
meta.sj at gmail.com
Tue Mar 4 19:26:12 EST 2008
Jae,
This is /NOT/ a list simply for technical issues, and I would venture
that most of the people on the list would prefer to talk about issues
directly affecting children, schools, and families. Perhaps because
many people come from a technical background it is easy to fall into
those discussions.
Can you say a bit more about what would be
"more clinical and culture-sensitive" topics to discuss?
SJ
ps - Javier, thank you for your email below... it gives food for thought
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:57 PM, info at olpc-peru.info <info at olpc-peru.info> wrote:
> I was worried too... because I love tech stuff... but AT THE SAME TIME I
> am interested
> in talking (deep interest) in talking about 3rd world children and families.
>
> The reason why we need to discuss the social issues is (well... my
> reasons!):
> a) I live in Peru, working on computers 25 (or more) years. I have seen
> previous ideas similar to OLPC (named "Huascaran"). They fail in the
> long run.
> b) This XO/OLPC opportunity can be revolutionary IF, and only if, survive.
> c) We, the people, can make this survival happens. We have the power,
> the energy, the knowledge to keep the wheels moving, even if there is
> political or economical changes.
> d) This is a big opportunity to help people, to train people (not us,
> techies that have enough time in hands and a free spirit... I am talking
> about helping a little boy in the andes to become the next great
> doctor... or to help another one to GET FOOD on the table because he
> learn (on the XO/OLPC/INTERNET/SchoolServer) that the he can not grow
> trouts at 13,000 feet altitude and think they (the trouts) will produce
> the same than in Europe or US at 3,000 feete altitud... or he/she learn
> that their sheep can be saved from this or that sickness with this or
> that vaccine or health measure... or he/she (the kid) help the father
> telling that theres is a better price for their potatos and carrots in
> this or that town... or that this or that exporter contact them to buy
> they knittings... etc. etc..
> e) Because, at the same time, all this kids deserver FOOD on the table,
> HEALTH, OPPORTUNITIES, and ... they need to feed their souls and culture
> keeping records of their songs, language, adventures, knowledge, history.
> f) ... more... These kids (here in Peru were I am located, and where the
> first 40,000 XOs have arrived... becoming the biggest XOs deployment in
> this moment?) ... these kids deserve to know some parts of the
> occidental culture... and read an american tale like Tom Sawyer (I liked
> when I was 11!... but you change what "occidental" books and materials
> you like when young and would like to share with andean children).
>
> g) Because the ANDEAN culture is totally different than occidental culture.
> h) Because all these andean towns are THE SAME than in year 1821: same
> food, same cloth, same health, same business, same domination schemes,
> same poverty, same violence, and SAME way to avoid all this: smile, and
> let the "gringos" go out of town.. then they get a meeting (with no
> foreigners) and then the real talking starts leaded by the men but with
> key woman participation.
>
> All this things happens in the remote villages AND, in some measure, in
> the nearer towns. Further you travel... bigger problems and bigger
> differences.
>
> And.. finally... Peru has BIG jungles.. our andean peasants are "near"
> to the coast (1 or 2 days by car) but the small communities in the
> peruvian jungle.. most of them are so isolated that they are 2 or 3 days
> in boat (following the sense of the river) (no roads, no way to walk in
> the jungle, you need to move? go to the river with your canoe! just the
> rivers!)... and 7 to 8 days away when you need to come back (against the
> sense of the river). Those kids can not be forgotten. There are
> enough XOs for all. But we need to realize that there will be need to
> develop an "Internet" system that works for that enviroment (no
> school..a jungle village with 100 kids with no school... well... in some
> cases theres is a "school" but the teacher just come 1 day by week).
> Are we going to forget those kids? Isolated they are, isolated they will
> be? WE, all, have the power to help.
>
> Ok, enough....
>
> Jae, don't quit. Maybe ASK the administrator to open ANOTHER list:
> social issues , discussion about social deployment, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Javier Rodriguez
> Lima, Peru
>
>
> jae kim wrote:
> > I am disabling this list until the discussion becomes narrow toward
> > helping 3rd world children and family in real term, hopefully
> > more clinical and culture-sensitive. I had enough with tech-dominated
> > discussion.
> >
> >
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> >> 1. Re: HealthJamSeattle (Seth Woodworth)
> >> 2. Re: HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn)
> >> 3. Re: HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn)
> >> 4. unsubscribe (David Garcia)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:02:30 -0800
> >> From: "Seth Woodworth" <seth at isforinsects.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
> >> To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, health at lists.laptop.org
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <b54bd10a0803041102s130da9abqa47bd801331677e1 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> Mel, as far as I can tell you *do* stay up this late :P
> >>
> >> Yes, the event will be 18-20th, so our traveling hackers can hit LFNW and
> >> then leave the state.
> >>
> >> That being said, I think there is likely enough interest to have a
> >> specifically WorldVistA meetup happen? It's not impossible.
> >>
> >> I've been talking to UW constantly for the past two days, so it's likely
> >> I'll have something concrete soon.
> >>
> >> Seth
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely close to
> >> > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several others
> >> > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, and I
> >> > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend after that
> >> > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If those
> >> > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional get-togethers in
> >> > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're
> >> > interested, we can.)
> >> >
> >> > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative discussion
> >> > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I
> >> > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]] to
> >> > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under discussion
> >> > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well written, as
> >> > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to improve it
> >> > would be appreciated.)
> >> >
> >> > -Mel (recovering from the aftermath of an imap inbox loss, and elbow-deep
> >> > in javascript - I don't always stay up this late)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:49 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Ah, I was looking at the main page instead of the talk page, since it
> >> > > had some dated Seattle specific notes.
> >> > >
> >> > > The main page said it was Apr 18-20, but the Talk page says May 2-4,
> >> > > which would be much more convenient for us.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'd suggest moving the Talk page to HealthJamSeattle to give it a bit
> >> > > more visibility but mark it as tentative. Especially the dates, until we
> >> > > have the space reservation confirmed.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > These are all great suggestions! Can you add them to [[Talk:Health
> >> > > > Jam]]?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Seth is currently working on getting absolute 100% confirmation about
> >> > > > our location - it's asympotically being settled, but we want to make sure we
> >> > > > have rooms solidly reserved, that all the necessary administrative people
> >> > > > have been informed, etc. before throwing the doors wide open. I've updated
> >> > > > the wiki page [[Health Jam]] with a note to that effect.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for the ping!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Mel
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:35 AM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Another track/strand I'd like to see is on curating the wiki.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Let's study examples such as the Human Interface Guidelines.
> >> > > > > The Templates that support these examples.
> >> > > > > The MediaWiki Bots that groom them. Up and Down load them, etc.
> >> > > > > Semantic MediaWiki
> >> > > > > Transcluding,
> >> > > > > etc.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I've been been looking at other folks wiki pages,
> >> > > > > studying how the did things,
> >> > > > > and putting it all together in my own wiki pages
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I still have a lot to learn.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:08 PM, drew einhorn <
> >> > > > > drew.einhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > One thing I'd like to see at a HealthJam or BarCamp is a
> >> > > > > > track/strand on:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What's different about the way medicine is practiced in the
> >> > > > > > countries we serve?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What impact does this have on the electronic medical record
> >> > > > > > systems that support the practice of medicine?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What will we have to do to meet these different needs?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:36 PM, drew einhorn <
> >> > > > > > drew.einhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > What's up?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > The stub at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health_Jam says:
> >> > > > > > > "Registration is not yet open at this time. We expect it to open on or
> >> > > > > > > before the first day of March 2008."
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Hope it's just a bit behind schedule and not off the track.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I'm sending this to both the library and health lists. It's
> >> > > > > > > probably more appropriate for the health list, but there aren't very many
> >> > > > > > > folks over there yet.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > Drew Einhorn
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > Drew Einhorn
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Drew Einhorn
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > Library mailing list
> >> > > > > Library at lists.laptop.org
> >> > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Drew Einhorn
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:39:10 -0700
> >> From: "drew einhorn" <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
> >> To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, Larry Landis
> >> <ldlandis at gmail.com>, health at lists.laptop.org, "Frederick D. S
> >> Marshall" <rick.marshall at vistaexpertise.net>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <b93ef9d00803041139o169dbfdfw7fb209d6ef500dd7 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> Joseph,
> >>
> >> Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on: How is the
> >> practice of medicine different in the 3rd World. And what do wee nned to do
> >> to support those differences.
> >>
> >> Everybody,
> >> See below
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely close to
> >> > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several others
> >> > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, and I
> >> > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend after that
> >> > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If those
> >> > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional get-togethers in
> >> > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're
> >> > interested, we can.)
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New Mexico.
> >> Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque. But it may be
> >> better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a
> >> community we want to work with is already meeting. Have to be careful.
> >> Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event. Won't
> >> have time to attend them all. Going to go add two more strand suggestions
> >> to the Talk page.
> >>
> >>
> >> > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative discussion
> >> > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I
> >> > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]] to
> >> > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under discussion
> >> > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well written, as
> >> > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to improve it
> >> > would be appreciated.)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make the
> >> HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Drew Einhorn
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:45:58 -0700
> >> From: "drew einhorn" <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
> >> To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, Larry Landis
> >> <ldlandis at gmail.com>, health at lists.laptop.org, "Frederick D. S
> >> Marshall" <rick.marshall at vistaexpertise.net>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <b93ef9d00803041145k307eaedcka6baf629648ca584 at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:39 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Joseph,
> >> >
> >> > Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on: How is the
> >> > practice of medicine different in the 3rd World. And what do wee nned to do
> >> > to support those differences.
> >> >
> >> > Everybody,
> >> > See below
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely close
> >> > > to those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several
> >> > > others are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend
> >> > > after, and I fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the
> >> > > weekend after that (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll
> >> > > probably sleep.) If those dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan
> >> > > additional get-togethers in the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No,
> >> > > seriously, if you're interested, we can.)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New Mexico.
> >> > Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque. But it may be
> >> > better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a
> >> > community we want to work with is already meeting. Have to be careful.
> >> > Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event. Won't
> >> > have time to attend them all. Going to go add two more strand suggestions
> >> > to the Talk page.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative
> >> > > discussion of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so
> >> > > I personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]]
> >> > > to the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under
> >> > > discussion and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well
> >> > > written, as it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to
> >> > > improve it would be appreciated.)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make the
> >> > HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Drew Einhorn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Drew Einhorn
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