[OLPC library] Quiting the library list? Please don't go!

Samuel Klein meta.sj at gmail.com
Tue Mar 4 19:26:12 EST 2008


Jae,

This is /NOT/ a list simply for technical issues, and I would venture
that most of the people on the list would prefer to talk about issues
directly affecting children, schools, and families.  Perhaps because
many people come from a technical background it is easy to fall into
those discussions.

Can you say a bit more about what would be
"more clinical and culture-sensitive" topics to discuss?

SJ

ps - Javier, thank you for your email below... it gives food for thought



On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:57 PM, info at olpc-peru.info <info at olpc-peru.info> wrote:
> I was worried too... because I love tech stuff... but AT THE SAME TIME I
>  am interested
>  in talking (deep interest) in talking about 3rd world children and families.
>
>  The reason why we need to discuss the social issues is (well... my
>  reasons!):
>  a) I live in Peru, working on computers 25 (or more) years.  I have seen
>  previous ideas similar to OLPC (named "Huascaran").  They fail in the
>  long run.
>  b) This XO/OLPC opportunity can be revolutionary IF, and only if, survive.
>  c) We, the people, can make this survival happens.  We have the power,
>  the energy, the knowledge to keep the wheels moving, even if there is
>  political or economical changes.
>  d) This is a big opportunity to help people, to train people (not us,
>  techies that have enough time in hands and a free spirit... I am talking
>  about helping a little boy in the andes to become the next great
>  doctor... or to help another one to GET FOOD on the table because he
>  learn (on the XO/OLPC/INTERNET/SchoolServer) that the he can not grow
>  trouts at 13,000 feet altitude and think they (the trouts) will produce
>  the same than in Europe or US at 3,000 feete altitud... or he/she learn
>  that their sheep can be saved from this or that sickness with this or
>  that vaccine or health measure... or he/she (the kid) help the father
>  telling that theres is a better price for their potatos and carrots in
>  this or that town... or that this or that exporter contact them to buy
>  they knittings... etc. etc..
>  e) Because, at the same time, all this kids deserver FOOD on the table,
>  HEALTH, OPPORTUNITIES, and ... they need to feed their souls and culture
>  keeping records of their songs, language, adventures, knowledge, history.
>  f) ... more... These kids (here in Peru were I am located, and where the
>  first 40,000 XOs have arrived... becoming the biggest XOs deployment in
>  this moment?) ... these kids deserve to know some parts of the
>  occidental culture... and read an american tale like Tom Sawyer (I liked
>  when I was 11!... but you change what "occidental" books and materials
>  you like when young and would like to share with andean children).
>
>  g) Because the ANDEAN culture is totally different than occidental culture.
>  h) Because all these andean towns are THE SAME than in year 1821: same
>  food, same cloth, same health, same business, same domination schemes,
>  same poverty, same violence, and SAME way to avoid all this: smile, and
>  let the "gringos" go out of town.. then they get a meeting (with no
>  foreigners) and then the real talking starts leaded by the men but with
>  key woman participation.
>
>  All this things happens in the remote villages AND, in some measure, in
>  the nearer towns.  Further you travel... bigger problems and bigger
>  differences.
>
>  And.. finally... Peru has BIG jungles.. our andean peasants are "near"
>  to the coast (1 or 2 days by car) but the small communities in the
>  peruvian jungle.. most of them are so isolated that they are 2 or 3 days
>  in boat (following the sense of the river) (no roads, no way to walk in
>  the jungle, you need to move? go to the river with your canoe! just the
>  rivers!)... and 7 to 8 days away when you need to come back (against the
>  sense of the river).  Those kids can not be forgotten.     There are
>  enough XOs for all.  But we need to realize that there will be need to
>  develop an "Internet" system that works for that enviroment (no
>  school..a jungle village with 100 kids with no school... well... in some
>  cases theres is a "school" but the teacher just come 1 day by week).
>  Are we going to forget those kids? Isolated they are, isolated they will
>  be?  WE, all, have the power to help.
>
>  Ok, enough....
>
>  Jae, don't quit.  Maybe ASK the administrator to open ANOTHER list:
>  social issues , discussion about social deployment, etc.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Javier Rodriguez
>  Lima, Peru
>
>
>  jae kim wrote:
>  >  I am disabling this list until the discussion becomes narrow toward
>  >  helping 3rd world children and family in real term, hopefully
>  >  more clinical and culture-sensitive. I had enough with tech-dominated
>  >  discussion.
>  >
>  >
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>  >>    1. Re:  HealthJamSeattle (Seth Woodworth)
>  >>    2. Re:  HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn)
>  >>    3. Re:  HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn)
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>  >>  Message: 1
>  >>  Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:02:30 -0800
>  >>  From: "Seth Woodworth" <seth at isforinsects.com>
>  >>  Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
>  >>  To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
>  >>  Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, health at lists.laptop.org
>  >>  Message-ID:
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>  >>
>  >>  Mel, as far as I can tell you *do* stay up this late :P
>  >>
>  >>  Yes, the event will be 18-20th, so our traveling hackers can hit LFNW and
>  >>  then leave the state.
>  >>
>  >>  That being said, I think there is likely enough interest to have a
>  >>  specifically WorldVistA meetup happen?  It's not impossible.
>  >>
>  >>  I've been talking to UW constantly for the past two days, so it's likely
>  >>  I'll have something concrete soon.
>  >>
>  >>  Seth
>  >>
>  >>  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  > I'm almost positive the date *will  *be April 18-20, or extremely close to
>  >>  > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several others
>  >>  > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, and I
>  >>  > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend after that
>  >>  > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If those
>  >>  > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional get-togethers in
>  >>  > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're
>  >>  > interested, we can.)
>  >>  >
>  >>  > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative discussion
>  >>  > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I
>  >>  > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]] to
>  >>  > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under discussion
>  >>  > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well written, as
>  >>  > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to improve it
>  >>  > would be appreciated.)
>  >>  >
>  >>  > -Mel (recovering from the aftermath of an imap inbox loss, and elbow-deep
>  >>  > in javascript - I don't always stay up this late)
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>  > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:49 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
>  >>  > wrote:
>  >>  >
>  >>  > > Ah, I was looking at the main page instead of the talk page, since it
>  >>  > > had some dated Seattle specific notes.
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > > The main page said it was Apr 18-20, but the Talk page says May 2-4,
>  >>  > > which would be much more convenient for us.
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > > I'd suggest moving the Talk page to HealthJamSeattle to give it a bit
>  >>  > > more visibility but mark it as tentative.  Especially the dates, until we
>  >>  > > have the space reservation confirmed.
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > > > These are all great suggestions! Can you add them to [[Talk:Health
>  >>  > > > Jam]]?
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > > > Seth is currently working on getting absolute 100% confirmation about
>  >>  > > > our location - it's asympotically being settled, but we want to make sure we
>  >>  > > > have rooms solidly reserved, that all the necessary administrative people
>  >>  > > > have been informed, etc. before throwing the doors wide open. I've updated
>  >>  > > > the wiki page [[Health Jam]] with a note to that effect.
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > > > Thanks for the ping!
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > > > -Mel
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:35 AM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
>  >>  > > > wrote:
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > > > > Another track/strand I'd like to see is on curating the wiki.
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > Let's study examples such as the Human Interface Guidelines.
>  >>  > > > > The Templates that support these examples.
>  >>  > > > > The MediaWiki Bots that groom them.  Up and Down load them, etc.
>  >>  > > > > Semantic MediaWiki
>  >>  > > > > Transcluding,
>  >>  > > > > etc.
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > I've been been looking at other folks wiki pages,
>  >>  > > > > studying how the did things,
>  >>  > > > > and putting it all together in my own wiki pages
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > I still have a lot to learn.
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:08 PM, drew einhorn <
>  >>  > > > > drew.einhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > One thing I'd like to see at a HealthJam or BarCamp is a
>  >>  > > > > > track/strand on:
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > What's different about the way medicine is practiced in the
>  >>  > > > > > countries we serve?
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > What impact does this have on the electronic medical record
>  >>  > > > > > systems that support the practice of medicine?
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > What will we have to do to meet these different needs?
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:36 PM, drew einhorn <
>  >>  > > > > > drew.einhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > > What's up?
>  >>  > > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > > The stub at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health_Jam says:
>  >>  > > > > > > "Registration is not yet open at this time. We expect it to open on or
>  >>  > > > > > > before the first day of March 2008."
>  >>  > > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > > Hope it's just a bit behind schedule and not off the track.
>  >>  > > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > > I'm sending this to both the library and health lists.  It's
>  >>  > > > > > > probably more appropriate for the health list, but there aren't very many
>  >>  > > > > > > folks over there yet.
>  >>  > > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > > --
>  >>  > > > > > > Drew Einhorn
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > >
>  >>  > > > > > --
>  >>  > > > > > Drew Einhorn
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > > > --
>  >>  > > > > Drew Einhorn
>  >>  > > > > _______________________________________________
>  >>  > > > > Library mailing list
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>  >>  > > > >
>  >>  > > >
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > >
>  >>  > > --
>  >>  > > Drew Einhorn
>  >>  >
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>  >>  Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:39:10 -0700
>  >>  From: "drew einhorn" <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
>  >>  Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
>  >>  To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
>  >>  Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, Larry Landis
>  >>         <ldlandis at gmail.com>,   health at lists.laptop.org,        "Frederick D. S
>  >>         Marshall" <rick.marshall at vistaexpertise.net>
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>  >>  Joseph,
>  >>
>  >>      Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on:  How is the
>  >>  practice of medicine different in the 3rd World.  And what do wee nned to do
>  >>  to support those differences.
>  >>
>  >>  Everybody,
>  >>      See below
>  >>
>  >>  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  > I'm almost positive the date *will  *be April 18-20, or extremely close to
>  >>  > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several others
>  >>  > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, and I
>  >>  > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend after that
>  >>  > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If those
>  >>  > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional get-togethers in
>  >>  > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're
>  >>  > interested, we can.)
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >>  We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New Mexico.
>  >>  Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque.  But it may be
>  >>  better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a
>  >>  community we want to work with is already meeting.  Have to be careful.
>  >>  Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event.  Won't
>  >>  have time to attend them all.  Going to go add two more strand suggestions
>  >>  to the Talk page.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative discussion
>  >>  > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I
>  >>  > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]] to
>  >>  > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under discussion
>  >>  > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well written, as
>  >>  > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to improve it
>  >>  > would be appreciated.)
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >>  Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make the
>  >>  HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details.
>  >>
>  >>  --
>  >>  Drew Einhorn
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>  >>  Message: 3
>  >>  Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:45:58 -0700
>  >>  From: "drew einhorn" <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
>  >>  Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle
>  >>  To: "Mel Chua" <metamel at gmail.com>
>  >>  Cc: library <Library at lists.laptop.org>, Larry Landis
>  >>         <ldlandis at gmail.com>,   health at lists.laptop.org,        "Frederick D. S
>  >>         Marshall" <rick.marshall at vistaexpertise.net>
>  >>  Message-ID:
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>  >>  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:39 PM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com>
>  >>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  > Joseph,
>  >>  >
>  >>  >      Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on:  How is the
>  >>  > practice of medicine different in the 3rd World.  And what do wee nned to do
>  >>  > to support those differences.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Everybody,
>  >>  >      See below
>  >>  >
>  >>  > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <metamel at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  >
>  >>  > > I'm almost positive the date *will  *be April 18-20, or extremely close
>  >>  > > to those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several
>  >>  > > others are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend
>  >>  > > after, and I fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the
>  >>  > > weekend after that (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll
>  >>  > > probably sleep.) If those dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan
>  >>  > > additional get-togethers in the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No,
>  >>  > > seriously, if you're interested, we can.)
>  >>  > >
>  >>  >
>  >>  > We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New Mexico.
>  >>  > Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque.  But it may be
>  >>  > better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a
>  >>  > community we want to work with is already meeting.  Have to be careful.
>  >>  > Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event.  Won't
>  >>  > have time to attend them all.  Going to go add two more strand suggestions
>  >>  > to the Talk page.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>  > > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative
>  >>  > > discussion of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so
>  >>  > > I personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health Jam]]
>  >>  > > to the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under
>  >>  > > discussion and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well
>  >>  > > written, as it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to
>  >>  > > improve it would be appreciated.)
>  >>  > >
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make the
>  >>  > HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > --
>  >>  > Drew Einhorn
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  --
>  >>  Drew Einhorn
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