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<body class='hmmessage'>Do you mean the countries you name are more developed than India? Or less developed than India? What point are you trying to make?<BR>
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Most of your posts seem full of personal attacks and ignorance.. and seldom clarify a point.. Would you like to think a point through first and then send a message that communicates what it tries to convey?<BR>
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Thank you<BR><BR><BR>
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Sincerely,<BR>
S Adhikari<BR></DIV><BR><BR>
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> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 04:26:32 +0530<BR>> From: mvalentin@oeuvredespains.org<BR>> To: india@lists.laptop.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11<BR>> <BR>> As far as I know, we are not talking about South Korea, Pakistan,<BR>> Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ethiopia or Peru here. This is about India...<BR>> in 2008 !<BR>> As I see it, E-choupal is not a development project, it was created by<BR>> ITC Limited, "one of India's foremost private sector companies with a<BR>> market capitalisation of nearly US $ 18 billion and a turnover of over<BR>> US $ 5.1 Billion" and it is purely commercial.<BR>> <BR>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Marc Valentin<BR>> > <mvalentin@oeuvredespains.org> wrote:<BR>> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Satish Jha OLPC <satish@laptop.org> wrote:<BR>> >>> While I do not agree with nearly any of the observations made below and am<BR>> >>> witnessing how things can be and are being changed, I would prefer some<BR>> >>> other members of this group to take it forward.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Satish, there is no point to agree or not, you should acknowledge that<BR>> >> most of the people of this list have a better understanding of India<BR>> >> (the real one) than you have.<BR>> ><BR>> > That seems a strange claim to me. What do you know about Satish's<BR>> > experience? What is yours?<BR>> ><BR>> >> Did you ever spend some days living in a<BR>> >> village among the people ?<BR>> ><BR>> > I have. Peace Corps, South Korea, 1967, when they were economically<BR>> > far behind where India is now, and living under a military<BR>> > dictatorship somewhat like Pakistan's today, with occasional<BR>> > cross-border attacks from the North. A good friend of my best friend<BR>> > there died from a grenade tossed on a bus by a failed North Korean<BR>> > assassination team.<BR>> ><BR>> >> Do you know what is their budget to live<BR>> >> (survive) for one month ? Do you know how they live ?<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes. Subsistence farmers and day laborers made less than a dollar a<BR>> > day at that time. Peace Corps Volunteers lived fairly comfortably on<BR>> > about $6/day.<BR>> ><BR>> >>The XO should be<BR>> >> seen as what it is : a nice tool. It is not a revolution.<BR>> ><BR>> > This turns out not to be the case. Unless you think that<BR>> ><BR>> > o Grameen Phone was not revolutionary in expanding telephone service<BR>> > from cities only to nearly all of Bangladesh, and attracting several<BR>> > billion dollars in hard investment money.<BR>> ><BR>> > o Or that Overstock.com was not certified by the government of<BR>> > Afghanistan as the largest employer in the country, even with no<BR>> > physical presence, because tens of thousands of people could sell art<BR>> > and craft items online, receiving more than 60% of the final selling<BR>> > price. Sellers did not need to own a computer, but just had to know<BR>> > somebody who knew somebody who had a computer.<BR>> ><BR>> > o Or that the ITC e-choupal project has significantly increased farm<BR>> > income in tens of thousands of villages of India by placing one<BR>> > computer per village to give them access to the Chicago Board of Trade<BR>> > soybean prices and other market information, and buy based on world<BR>> > prices.<BR>> ><BR>> > o Or that the XO is not revolutionizing education in Peru and<BR>> > Ethiopia, as stated in published articles and formal studies. See, for<BR>> > example, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Academic_papers and<BR>> > http://radian.org/notebook/astounded-in-arahuay.<BR>> ><BR>> > And so on through a multitude of other examples.<BR>> > --<BR>> > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name<BR>> > And Children are my nation.<BR>> > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.<BR>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai<BR>> ><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> India mailing list<BR>> India@lists.laptop.org<BR>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india<BR></body>
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