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Marc is right: I think we have to evolve a system quick.We have been talking in circles for long and everyone's patience is wearing thin.</blockquote><div>If you are going to manufacture 50000 as a lot-good<br>How many real orders do you have in hand?I mean real ones-because this is India where we all queue up and then decide that the XO is exactly what I don't want to spend money on.<br>
Who looks at the prioritizing of the requirements?<br>Who pays for the 1000 XO's?-the school?<br>And a thousand?!!! really?<br>Teacher training?<br>A good one is to have a distributor network and as someone who worked in the villages marketing products I can show you a very workable fantastic system<br>
So with teacher training<br>Rgds<br>G<br><br><br> <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
-<br>
> wrote:<br>
<br>
> > I am not so convinced with this "formula". Whoever ends up making the<br>
> > decision about XO's let them decide where the XOs go. My family is<br>
> > from UP and I grew up in Hyderabad, so I see the disparity you point<br>
> > out to, but the metric for deciding where the XOs go and get<br>
> > implemented is subject to many other variables than north and south.<br>
> > What about Orissa? West Bengal? Assam, Rajasthan? No love for them?<br>
><br>
> I absolutely agree with you that the problem is complex, more complex<br>
> than north and south, villages and cities, ...<br>
> A system like LDC internal to India could be a solution. But I was not<br>
> thinking about an indian G1G1 only, I was thinking also about direct<br>
> orders done by local governments or companies, etc. I just wanted to<br>
> bring the focus on the problem. Who is going to order XO in U.P. and<br>
> Bihar ?<br>
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Subject: Re: [OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 22, Issue 19<br>
To: "Sameer Verma" <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>><br>
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> >>><br>
> >>> In this listserv, if we can focus on how to aggregate to large numbers,<br>
> it<br>
> >>> will be a great help indeed.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Maybe what we need is a simple list or table of people who what small<br>
> >> batches of XOs in their school, village, neighborhood etc., organized<br>
> >> by location, etc. That way we can combine small batches into a larger<br>
> >> order. If 50 schools of 1000 children each speak up, we get 50K. It<br>
> >> could very well be a simple form that people fill out with all these<br>
> >> details and contact info, potential donors (whether they have any or<br>
> >> are seeking, etc).<br>
> >><br>
> >> This could even scale worldwide...<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thoughts?<br>
> ><br>
> > I think it must be very exciting to see all the children of a school<br>
> > roaming around with XO laptops but I don't see the educative aspect in<br>
> > it. First, you need capable and motivated teachers, very difficult to<br>
> > find.<br>
><br>
> I disagree. First, you need capable and motivated *children* and<br>
> that's easier to do than to retrofit a thirty-something teacher with<br>
> new thinking.<br>
><br>
> > Second, children can easily share the laptops during the day,<br>
> > they are not going to spend the whole day using the laptops, isn't it<br>
> > ? It depends on the quantity of divisions in the school but with one<br>
> > division, 50 laptops are certainly enough so during a class using XO,<br>
> > each child can have his own laptop. (That was the source of the<br>
> > misunderstanding in a previous message : we have 35 laptops and 50<br>
> > would be just perfect).<br>
><br>
> I am tempted to say that I find your lack of faith disturbing :-)<br>
> (subtle Star Wars humor)<br>
><br>
> I've seen children work with the XO. Yes, you need teachers to keep an<br>
> eye on things in a classroom, and yes you will need to educate them<br>
> about the project and process, but give the children some credit. I<br>
> don't know how old you are Marc, but I am willing to bet, the kids are<br>
> a lot younger :-) They learn faster and in much better ways than you<br>
> and I can. I started KinderGarten with chalk and slate. Why should we<br>
> subject the children to chalk and slate if we can bypass it?<br>
><br>
> So, kids walking around with XOs is educational? I think so. Every<br>
> time they learn that multiplication is addition done several times<br>
> using Pippy, they learn. I didn't learn that until 11th grade (not<br>
> very sharp, was I?) when I learned to write BASIC programs. Why?<br>
> Because the nuns at my convent school never bothered to teach me. They<br>
> surely did a good job of beating it into me (all the way up to tables<br>
> of 14), but that's another story. See more at<br>
> <a href="http://sameerverma.org/blog/?postid=164" target="_blank">http://sameerverma.org/blog/?postid=164</a><br>
><br>
> > If you consider the budget aspect only : 1000 laptops means $200,000<br>
> > only for the hardware. You still have to count the training and the<br>
> > maintenance. It is a very big amount, too big for a 1000 children's<br>
> > school.<br>
><br>
> Yes, that number is true. In fact, if you look at Habib Khan's<br>
> spreadsheet, you'll see what some of the real costs are.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:OLPC_Cost_Simulation_Model_for_South_Asian_Countries_by_Habib.xls" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:OLPC_Cost_Simulation_Model_for_South_Asian_Countries_by_Habib.xls</a><br>
><br>
> We have to be realistic. The idea isn't doing this cheap. The idea is<br>
> to get someone who *can afford it* to pay for it. The XO costs are<br>
> still less than $350 or so for an ASUS EEE PC. All other costs will<br>
> remain the same, if not increase.<br>
><br>
> > I know donations can come from abroad but local people will<br>
> > feel you mis the point, the main problem in India is the lack of<br>
> > infrastructures<br>
><br>
> Lack of infrastructure can be bypassed or circumvented by the XOs<br>
> bringing their own infrastructure with them. If we wait to build the<br>
> infrastructure, that might be another ten years gone by.<br>
><br>
> > and the poor attendance of the teachers and the<br>
> > students.<br>
><br>
> I believe this has improved dramatically once the children have a<br>
> reason to be there. In Bhagmalpur<br>
> (<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Bhagmalpur" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Bhagmalpur</a>), the school has a<br>
> near 100% attendance. The real reason? Free mid-day meal from the UP<br>
> government. Post lunch, the school looks empty and the kids raid the<br>
> village backyards and gardens in search of mischief.<br>
><br>
> I don't intend to discount your opinion in any way. After all, you<br>
> have a school of 35 XOs. Your input is valuable. We are all on the<br>
> same team here. At least, I hope so. However, some of the thinking<br>
> with this project is incredibly disruptive, and will require us to<br>
> think in disruptive ways. Otherwise, the XO Speak will dictate "Two<br>
> one za two..." and the children will repeat.<br>
><br>
> Sameer<br>
> --<br>
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.<br>
> Associate Professor of Information Systems<br>
> San Francisco State University<br>
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA<br>
> <a href="http://verma.sfsu.edu/" target="_blank">http://verma.sfsu.edu/</a><br>
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From: "Sameer Verma" <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 22, Issue 19<br>
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Ananya Guha <<a href="mailto:nnyguha48@gmail.com">nnyguha48@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think Marc's basic question has not been answered.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> A.S.Guha.<br>
<br>
<br>
And what is that basic question?<br>
<br>
Sameer<br>
<br>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Marc Valentin<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mvalentin@oeuvredespains.org">mvalentin@oeuvredespains.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Sameer Verma <<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Satish Jha <<a href="mailto:sjha@vsnl.com">sjha@vsnl.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>> I am overwhelmed by the kind of support this project is receiving from<br>
>> >>> everyone.. from individuals to institutions and corporations and<br>
>> >>> governments.. they have all been trying to do their best..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> My corporate relations adviser informs me that an airline has agreed<br>
>> >>> to give<br>
>> >>> a number of free tickets for the staff, a business house is willing to<br>
>> >>> offer<br>
>> >>> office space and support for all the schools it runs and the children<br>
>> >>> they<br>
>> >>> have run up in six figures and so on..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> However, our goal is to reach out to those who cannot help<br>
>> >>> themselves.. And<br>
>> >>> our efforts are focused primarily in that direction.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> While individual initiatives greatly contribute to the cause,<br>
>> >>> aggregating<br>
>> >>> them in an organized way may get a lot more out of them.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> We should also keep in mind that our production batch size is 50,000<br>
>> >>> at one<br>
>> >>> time and unless we can scale up, the program will have different kind<br>
>> >>> of<br>
>> >>> management challenges.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> In this listserv, if we can focus on how to aggregate to large<br>
>> >>> numbers, it<br>
>> >>> will be a great help indeed.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Maybe what we need is a simple list or table of people who what small<br>
>> >> batches of XOs in their school, village, neighborhood etc., organized<br>
>> >> by location, etc. That way we can combine small batches into a larger<br>
>> >> order. If 50 schools of 1000 children each speak up, we get 50K. It<br>
>> >> could very well be a simple form that people fill out with all these<br>
>> >> details and contact info, potential donors (whether they have any or<br>
>> >> are seeking, etc).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> This could even scale worldwide...<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thoughts?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I think it must be very exciting to see all the children of a school<br>
>> > roaming around with XO laptops but I don't see the educative aspect in<br>
>> > it. First, you need capable and motivated teachers, very difficult to<br>
>> > find.<br>
>><br>
>> I disagree. First, you need capable and motivated *children* and<br>
>> that's easier to do than to retrofit a thirty-something teacher with<br>
>> new thinking.<br>
>><br>
>> > Second, children can easily share the laptops during the day,<br>
>> > they are not going to spend the whole day using the laptops, isn't it<br>
>> > ? It depends on the quantity of divisions in the school but with one<br>
>> > division, 50 laptops are certainly enough so during a class using XO,<br>
>> > each child can have his own laptop. (That was the source of the<br>
>> > misunderstanding in a previous message : we have 35 laptops and 50<br>
>> > would be just perfect).<br>
>><br>
>> I am tempted to say that I find your lack of faith disturbing :-)<br>
>> (subtle Star Wars humor)<br>
>><br>
>> I've seen children work with the XO. Yes, you need teachers to keep an<br>
>> eye on things in a classroom, and yes you will need to educate them<br>
>> about the project and process, but give the children some credit. I<br>
>> don't know how old you are Marc, but I am willing to bet, the kids are<br>
>> a lot younger :-) They learn faster and in much better ways than you<br>
>> and I can. I started KinderGarten with chalk and slate. Why should we<br>
>> subject the children to chalk and slate if we can bypass it?<br>
>><br>
>> So, kids walking around with XOs is educational? I think so. Every<br>
>> time they learn that multiplication is addition done several times<br>
>> using Pippy, they learn. I didn't learn that until 11th grade (not<br>
>> very sharp, was I?) when I learned to write BASIC programs. Why?<br>
>> Because the nuns at my convent school never bothered to teach me. They<br>
>> surely did a good job of beating it into me (all the way up to tables<br>
>> of 14), but that's another story. See more at<br>
>> <a href="http://sameerverma.org/blog/?postid=164" target="_blank">http://sameerverma.org/blog/?postid=164</a><br>
>><br>
>> > If you consider the budget aspect only : 1000 laptops means $200,000<br>
>> > only for the hardware. You still have to count the training and the<br>
>> > maintenance. It is a very big amount, too big for a 1000 children's<br>
>> > school.<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, that number is true. In fact, if you look at Habib Khan's<br>
>> spreadsheet, you'll see what some of the real costs are.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:OLPC_Cost_Simulation_Model_for_South_Asian_Countries_by_Habib.xls" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:OLPC_Cost_Simulation_Model_for_South_Asian_Countries_by_Habib.xls</a><br>
>><br>
>> We have to be realistic. The idea isn't doing this cheap. The idea is<br>
>> to get someone who *can afford it* to pay for it. The XO costs are<br>
>> still less than $350 or so for an ASUS EEE PC. All other costs will<br>
>> remain the same, if not increase.<br>
>><br>
>> > I know donations can come from abroad but local people will<br>
>> > feel you mis the point, the main problem in India is the lack of<br>
>> > infrastructures<br>
>><br>
>> Lack of infrastructure can be bypassed or circumvented by the XOs<br>
>> bringing their own infrastructure with them. If we wait to build the<br>
>> infrastructure, that might be another ten years gone by.<br>
>><br>
>> > and the poor attendance of the teachers and the<br>
>> > students.<br>
>><br>
>> I believe this has improved dramatically once the children have a<br>
>> reason to be there. In Bhagmalpur<br>
>> (<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Bhagmalpur" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India/Bhagmalpur</a>), the school has a<br>
>> near 100% attendance. The real reason? Free mid-day meal from the UP<br>
>> government. Post lunch, the school looks empty and the kids raid the<br>
>> village backyards and gardens in search of mischief.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't intend to discount your opinion in any way. After all, you<br>
>> have a school of 35 XOs. Your input is valuable. We are all on the<br>
>> same team here. At least, I hope so. However, some of the thinking<br>
>> with this project is incredibly disruptive, and will require us to<br>
>> think in disruptive ways. Otherwise, the XO Speak will dictate "Two<br>
>> one za two..." and the children will repeat.<br>
>><br>
>> Sameer<br>
>> --<br>
>> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.<br>
>> Associate Professor of Information Systems<br>
>> San Francisco State University<br>
>> San Francisco CA 94132 USA<br>
>> <a href="http://verma.sfsu.edu/" target="_blank">http://verma.sfsu.edu/</a><br>
>> <a href="http://opensource.sfsu.edu/" target="_blank">http://opensource.sfsu.edu/</a><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:20:19 -0700<br>
From: "Edward Cherlin" <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com">echerlin@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 22, Issue 19<br>
To: <a href="mailto:Asksst@aol.com">Asksst@aol.com</a><br>
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM, <<a href="mailto:Asksst@aol.com">Asksst@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ankur,<br>
> We are planning to use XO laptops with Windows at a girls school in rural<br>
> area near Kanpur.<br>
<br>
Why?<br>
<br>
Is that Windows-only, or dual-boot?<br>
<br>
> I'm located in New York. Can you help? We can talk on<br>
> phone if you are in US or Skype.<br>
><br>
> Thanks .......... Sheel Thakur<br>
> REad foundation<br>
> (914-428-0960)<br>
> In a message dated 9/21/2008 12:00:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<br>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:12:31 +0530<br>
> From: "Ankur Verma" <<a href="mailto:ankur@laptop.org">ankur@laptop.org</a>><br>
> Subject: [OLPC India] Connectivity aspects of XO<br>
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> I was a summer intern at OLPC, Cambridge where I worked on Internet<br>
> Connectivity of XO using modems and cell phones and also integrated SMS<br>
> capability to Chat activity on XO.<br>
><br>
> I would be interested in helping out in similar work at future deployments<br>
> in India.<br>
><br>
> Kindly let me know if I can help.<br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br> Gowri<br>VP-Intl Marketing<br><a href="http://www.globalcubeit.com">www.globalcubeit.com</a><br><a href="http://execdev.blogspot.com/">http://execdev.blogspot.com/</a><br>
<br>"The world is full of abundance and opportunity, but >far too many people come to the fountain of life with a sieve instead of a tank >car... a teaspoon instead of a steam shovel. They expect little and as a result >they get little." ~ Ben Sweetland <br>
<br><br>"Everything is either an opportunity to grow or an obstacle to keep you from growing. You get to choose."Dr. Wayne Dyer<br><br><br>
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