[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11
Satish Jha
sjha at vsnl.com
Wed Oct 22 07:20:45 EDT 2008
G,
As someone pointed out earlier, its not the forum to explore how to
distribute (read find resources for) more XOs.. I thought I shared the
framework for partnerships that we put together. Currently we are moving
along those lines. Eyes wide open. We are a small team and can focus on what
is possible, as opportunities develop, and we need to spread the word
through every forum.. not just for communication, action points as well..
So please spread the word, create proposals for schools, seek funding, ask
the banks to finance as an educational loan payable after 10 years, over the
next 3 (Ten years later Rs 10,000 or 15,000 today will be more like 100 or
150 was ten years ago?? or something along those lines!), create a locally
viable financing mechanisms, engage social entrepreneurs, ask the local
governments to take up full scale pilots, demonstrate, continue to create
localizing teams.. list is only as long as our imagination lets us.. Then
again, let us aggregate the result of all this and we may soon get
somewhere..
Thanks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Usha Gowri <usha.gowri at gmail.com> wrote:
> When it comes to OLPC,I just dont know what or where we will land.
> Here we are discussing Afganistan- when we have been waiting in India to
> find a way out to get the XO to our kids.
> How does this info and discussion benefit any of us?
> Its congratulations Afganistan-now what?
> Will someone help me out?
> G
>
> On 10/20/08, india-request at lists.laptop.org <
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>> 1. Re: OLPC Afghanistan starting! (Svetlana Senajova)
>> 2. Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting! (Edward Cherlin)
>> 3. Re: Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting! (Seth Woodworth)
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:10:05 +0200 (CEST)
>> From: "Svetlana Senajova" <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] OLPC Afghanistan starting!
>> To: "sapan kadakia" <sapankadakia at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Holden Bonwit <hbonwit at gmail.com>, Svetlana Senajova
>> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af>, india at lists.laptop.org
>> Message-ID:
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>> 45392.212.165.225.14.1224479405.squirrel at webmail.paiwastoon.com.af>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Dear Sapan,
>>
>> the minimum requirement would be for 6 months, flight ticket supported,
>> accommodation, food and stipend provided. If you are interested in coming
>> or being a part of volunteer team, please email me to
>> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af with your CV and areas where you think you can
>> contribute to OLPC. Thank you!
>>
>>
>> To Holden:
>> Thanks you for the link! I will have a look into it and get in touch with
>> you if more things need to be discussed.
>>
>>
>>
>> To Edward:
>>
>> Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children have
>> access to computer, as the supply is very limited - don't forget that
>> Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that the
>> computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance to
>> get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the evenings
>> to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to start
>> a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
>> buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at the
>> end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural and
>> urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their living
>> increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both children
>> and parents can use it thus leading to 1XO per 1child :)
>>
>> It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of USAID/ASMED
>> and hopefully will be a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Svetla
>>
>>
>>
>> > hey for how long is the requirement for afghanistan....i mean the
>> duration
>> > of stay..
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Holden Bonwit <hbonwit at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Edward, I completely agree with your comment about the need for
>> students
>> >> to
>> >> have their own laptop (eg. not share hardware), and to be able to take
>> >> them
>> >> home after school hours.
>> >> Svetlana, this summer I taught students in India with the OLPCs, and I
>> >> published our lessons (both lesson plans and things to change for the
>> >> next
>> >> deployment) on the web:
>> >> http://whereisholden.blogspot.com/search?q=OLPC
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> -Holden
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Edward Cherlin
>> >> <echerlin at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Svetlana Senajova
>> >>> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
>> >>> > Dear All,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Perhaps Afghanistan is not the first place you think of when
>> >>> considering
>> >>> > your next vacation or internship. But since OLPC are donating
>> 10,000
>> >>> G1G1
>> >>> > machines to Afghanistan and is working with the top level of the
>> >>> Ministry
>> >>> > of Education this could very well become a showpiece for OLPC in S.
>> >>> Asia.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Other 1,000 XO laptops are donated by telecommunication company
>> >>> Roshan
>> >>> and
>> >>> > PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd. is responsible for the complete
>> >>> > project implementation in upcoming months. XOs will be introduced to
>> >>> more
>> >>> > than 85,000 children as they will not be deployed at 1XO to 1 child
>> >>> but
>> >>> 21
>> >>> > XOs to 1 school in form of a computer lab, reaching 283 schools
>> >>> across
>> >>> the
>> >>> > country.
>> >>>
>> >>> That is a great shame. One of the most important aspects of the OLPC
>> >>> program is the ability of children to own their XOs and take them
>> >>> home. They get the greatest advantages of mesh networking and
>> >>> collaborative software not in class, but when doing homework together.
>> >>> It is also essential for parents to see what the children are doing.
>> >>>
>> >>> > We are looking for 2 Interns / Graduates / Motivated volunteers to
>> >>> help
>> >>> us
>> >>> > building the capacity of the local team. We need to operate
>> >>> university
>> >>> > outreach programs, training, and a fair bit of direct server config
>> >>> in
>> >>> > advance of having sufficient locally built capacity. We are
>> looking
>> >>> > through various graduate/student/internship organisations.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > We can offer flight support, accommodation, and a living stipend.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Afghanistan day to day in most provinces and most places remains
>> >>> pretty
>> >>> > safe - one can walk around, go out, visit people using taxis or your
>> >>> own
>> >>> > car. Driving can be just a little chaotic, but nowhere near as bad
>> >>> as
>> >>> in
>> >>> > India. If you look beyond the media there is a lot to see here,
>> >>> > hospitality that even exceeds other developing countries, and really
>> >>> rapid
>> >>> > progress. There are some places (like the south) that are
>> dangerous,
>> >>> but
>> >>> > in Kabul and the north things are pretty stable. One just needs to
>> >>> know
>> >>> > places to go to and places to stay away from (like military bases,
>> >>> big
>> >>> > foreigner parties, etc).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Right now we are half way through setting up an open source
>> >>> localisation
>> >>> > team for Afghanistan and building the open source community. For
>> >>> those
>> >>> of
>> >>> > you who are more interested in remote contributions to Afghanistan
>> >>> > specifically, a chance is here too.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Afghanistan could be the case study that shows the ability of the XO
>> >>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>> > at the center of redevelopment. If we can make the XO work here -
>> >>> then
>> >>> we
>> >>> > can prove to the world that it can work almost anywhere! You might
>> >>> hear
>> >>> > on the news about the chronic waste of money out here, the hundreds
>> >>> of
>> >>> > millions missing, wasted, and worse. And you know how cost
>> >>> effectively
>> >>> the
>> >>> > XO can change that. The great thing about Afghanistan, is being a
>> >>> > development work in progress, we can together, and will, improve
>> that
>> >>> > situation. I hope we can find some people to join us on the ground
>> >>> and
>> >>> > help make that happen.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > For info about OLPC Afghanistan please visit www.olpc.af or email
>> me
>> >>> at
>> >>> > svetla at paiwastoon.com.af.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks/Regards,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -Svetla
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Svetlana Senajova
>> >>> > Business Development Director
>> >>> > PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd.
>> >>> > svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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>> >>> > India at lists.laptop.org
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:24:56 -0700
>> From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [OLPC India] Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting!
>> To: india at lists.laptop.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <e574f6eb0810192224x722e83b9n911e0028341a06d8 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I find this idea of putting XOs into computer labs unacceptable. What
>> do others think?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Svetlana Senajova
>> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
>> > Dear Edward,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children have
>> > access to computer, as the supply is very limited
>>
>> "The shortage will be divided among the peasants."--Walt Kelly
>>
>> I am well aware of this argument. It is wrong-headed. The problem is
>> that the answers you get depend on whether you are asking the right
>> questions. This project does not.
>>
>> > - don't forget that
>> > Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that
>> the
>> > computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance to
>> > get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the
>> evenings
>> > to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to
>> start
>> > a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
>> > buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at the
>> > end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural
>> and
>> > urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their
>> living
>> > increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both
>> children
>> > and parents can use it.
>>
>> What is this about having parents buy XOs? That violates the
>> fundamental principle of the OLPC program. I'm copying Nicholas
>> Negroponte on this.
>>
>> > It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of USAID/ASMED
>>
>> I need to see the documentation on this project so I can ask my
>> Congressman to investigate USAID for this violation of the project's
>> fundamental principle. Is there a public URL for any of the
>> agreements? I find a press release at
>>
>> http://www.mcit.gov.af/detail.asp?CatID=1&ContID=179
>> Posted on: Sep 18, 2008
>> Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication and IT Launch the
>> One Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
>>
>> http://www.moe.gov.af/news/Sanbullah/15September2008.htm
>> Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication Launch the One
>> Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
>> Quotes Bryan Rhodes, Chief of Party for ASMED, USAID's Small and
>> Medium Enterprise Development project.
>>
>> I can't find anything about this program on
>> http://afghanistan.usaid.gov/en/
>>
>> Well, I will inquire at
>>
>> Contact Us
>>
>> USAID/Afghanistan
>> U.S. Embassy Cafe Compound
>> Great Masood Road
>> Kabul, Afghanistan
>> Tel: 202.216.6288
>>
>> USAID/Afghanistan
>> (mailing address)
>> 6180 Kabul Place
>> Dulles, VA 20189-6180
>>
>> USAID Press and Outreach
>> Email: kabul-info at usaid.gov
>>
>> USAID/Washington
>> Bureau for Asia and the Near East
>> Afghanistan Desk Officer
>> Email: skeyvanshad at usaid.gov
>>
>> Embassy of the United States
>> Kabul, Afghanistan
>> Tel: (00 93) (20) 230-0436
>> Fax: (00 93) (20) 230-1364
>>
>> U.S. Embassy Press Attache
>> E-mail: mellottj at state.gov
>>
>> U.S. Department of State
>> Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs
>> Afghanistan Desk
>>
>> > and hopefully will a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
>>
>> It is vital that some of the computers, even if only a few hundred, be
>> distributed one-to-one, even if most go into computer labs. That way
>> the Ministry can have a chance to see its error.
>>
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Svetla
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Svetlana Senajova
>> >> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
>> >>> Dear All,
>> >>>
>> >>> Perhaps Afghanistan is not the first place you think of when
>> considering
>> >>> your next vacation or internship. But since OLPC are donating 10,000
>> >>> G1G1
>> >>> machines to Afghanistan and is working with the top level of the
>> >>> Ministry
>> >>> of Education this could very well become a showpiece for OLPC in S.
>> >>> Asia.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other 1,000 XO laptops are donated by telecommunication company Roshan
>> >>> and
>> >>> PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd. is responsible for the complete
>> >>> project implementation in upcoming months. XOs will be introduced to
>> >>> more
>> >>> than 85,000 children as they will not be deployed at 1XO to 1 child
>> but
>> >>> 21
>> >>> XOs to 1 school in form of a computer lab, reaching 283 schools across
>> >>> the
>> >>> country.
>> >>
>> >> That is a great shame. One of the most important aspects of the OLPC
>> >> program is the ability of children to own their XOs and take them
>> >> home. They get the greatest advantages of mesh networking and
>> >> collaborative software not in class, but when doing homework together.
>> >> It is also essential for parents to see what the children are doing.
>> >>
>> >>> We are looking for 2 Interns / Graduates / Motivated volunteers to
>> help
>> >>> us
>> >>> building the capacity of the local team. We need to operate
>> university
>> >>> outreach programs, training, and a fair bit of direct server config in
>> >>> advance of having sufficient locally built capacity. We are looking
>> >>> through various graduate/student/internship organisations.
>> >>>
>> >>> We can offer flight support, accommodation, and a living stipend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Afghanistan day to day in most provinces and most places remains
>> pretty
>> >>> safe - one can walk around, go out, visit people using taxis or your
>> own
>> >>> car. Driving can be just a little chaotic, but nowhere near as bad as
>> >>> in
>> >>> India. If you look beyond the media there is a lot to see here,
>> >>> hospitality that even exceeds other developing countries, and really
>> >>> rapid
>> >>> progress. There are some places (like the south) that are dangerous,
>> >>> but
>> >>> in Kabul and the north things are pretty stable. One just needs to
>> know
>> >>> places to go to and places to stay away from (like military bases, big
>> >>> foreigner parties, etc).
>> >>>
>> >>> Right now we are half way through setting up an open source
>> localisation
>> >>> team for Afghanistan and building the open source community. For
>> those
>> >>> of
>> >>> you who are more interested in remote contributions to Afghanistan
>> >>> specifically, a chance is here too.
>> >>>
>> >>> Afghanistan could be the case study that shows the ability of the XO
>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>> at the center of redevelopment. If we can make the XO work here - then
>> >>> we
>> >>> can prove to the world that it can work almost anywhere! You might
>> hear
>> >>> on the news about the chronic waste of money out here, the hundreds of
>> >>> millions missing, wasted, and worse. And you know how cost effectively
>> >>> the
>> >>> XO can change that. The great thing about Afghanistan, is being a
>> >>> development work in progress, we can together, and will, improve that
>> >>> situation. I hope we can find some people to join us on the ground
>> and
>> >>> help make that happen.
>> >>>
>> >>> For info about OLPC Afghanistan please visit www.olpc.af or email me
>> at
>> >>> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks/Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> -Svetla
>> >>>
>> >>> Svetlana Senajova
>> >>> Business Development Director
>> >>> PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd.
>> >>> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> India mailing list
>> >>> India at lists.laptop.org
>> >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
>>
>> --
>> Silent Thunder (??/??????????????? ) is my name
>> And Children are my nation.
>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place,
>> The Truth my destination.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams
>> fivethirtyeight.com, 3bluedudes.com Obama still moving ahead in EC!
>> http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Smears Join us!
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai For the children
>>
>> Silent Thunder (??/??????????????? ) is my name
>> And Children are my nation.
>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place,
>> The Truth my destination.
>>
>> Edward Mokurai Cherlin
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai
>> http://www.amazon.com/xo
>> Give One, Get One, from Nov. 17
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:28:57 -0400
>> From: "Seth Woodworth" <seth at laptop.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting!
>> To: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>, svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
>> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <b54bd10a0810192328w439ceb4ev9ab16ab1de5288c4 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I find this idea of putting XOs into computer labs unacceptable. What
>> > do others think?
>> >
>>
>> I'm not overly fond of the idea.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Svetlana Senajova
>> > <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
>> > > Dear Edward,
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children
>> have
>> > > access to computer, as the supply is very limited
>> >
>> > "The shortage will be divided among the peasants."--Walt Kelly
>> >
>> > I am well aware of this argument. It is wrong-headed. The problem is
>> > that the answers you get depend on whether you are asking the right
>> > questions. This project does not.
>> >
>> > > - don't forget that
>> > > Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that
>> > the
>> > > computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance
>> to
>> > > get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the
>> > evenings
>> > > to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to
>> start
>> > > a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
>> > > buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at
>> the
>> > > end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural
>> and
>> > > urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their
>> living
>> > > increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both
>> > children
>> > > and parents can use it.
>> >
>> > What is this about having parents buy XOs? That violates the
>> > fundamental principle of the OLPC program. I'm copying Nicholas
>> > Negroponte on this.
>> >
>>
>> Woah, Slow down a little bit Ed. Svetla said that parents would have
>> access
>> to the machines, which would make sense in a computer lab setting. The
>> mention of purchasing XO's sounds to me like a long term indicator of
>> national growth and development. In that, one day parents could buy
>> machines directly like people in the US can.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of
>> USAID/ASMED
>> >
>> > I need to see the documentation on this project so I can ask my
>> > Congressman to investigate USAID for this violation of the project's
>> > fundamental principle. Is there a public URL for any of the
>> > agreements? I find a press release at
>> >
>> > http://www.mcit.gov.af/detail.asp?CatID=1&ContID=179
>> > Posted on: Sep 18, 2008
>> > Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication and IT Launch the
>> > One Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
>> >
>> > http://www.moe.gov.af/news/Sanbullah/15September2008.htm
>> > Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication Launch the One
>> > Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
>> > Quotes Bryan Rhodes, Chief of Party for ASMED, USAID's Small and
>> > Medium Enterprise Development project.
>> >
>> > I can't find anything about this program on
>> > http://afghanistan.usaid.gov/en/
>> >
>>
>> Laptop.org is similarlly out of date, if I wouldn't take that as an
>> idicator
>> of anything.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Well, I will inquire at
>> >
>> > Contact Us
>> > ...
>> > U.S. Department of State
>> > Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs
>> > Afghanistan Desk
>> >
>>
>> By all means make contacts and find out more information. But please
>> don't
>> do so in a way that would harm what looks like a newly founded partnership
>> with USAID.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > and hopefully will a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
>> >
>> > It is vital that some of the computers, even if only a few hundred, be
>> > distributed one-to-one, even if most go into computer labs. That way
>> > the Ministry can have a chance to see its error.
>> >
>>
>> Perhaps this will be the case. This is a very young project.
>>
>> --Seth
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