[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11
Usha Gowri
usha.gowri at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 01:16:14 EDT 2008
When it comes to OLPC,I just dont know what or where we will land.
Here we are discussing Afganistan- when we have been waiting in India to
find a way out to get the XO to our kids.
How does this info and discussion benefit any of us?
Its congratulations Afganistan-now what?
Will someone help me out?
G
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> 1. Re: OLPC Afghanistan starting! (Svetlana Senajova)
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> 3. Re: Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting! (Seth Woodworth)
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:10:05 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Svetlana Senajova" <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] OLPC Afghanistan starting!
> To: "sapan kadakia" <sapankadakia at gmail.com>
> Cc: Holden Bonwit <hbonwit at gmail.com>, Svetlana Senajova
> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af>, india at lists.laptop.org
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> Dear Sapan,
>
> the minimum requirement would be for 6 months, flight ticket supported,
> accommodation, food and stipend provided. If you are interested in coming
> or being a part of volunteer team, please email me to
> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af with your CV and areas where you think you can
> contribute to OLPC. Thank you!
>
>
> To Holden:
> Thanks you for the link! I will have a look into it and get in touch with
> you if more things need to be discussed.
>
>
>
> To Edward:
>
> Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children have
> access to computer, as the supply is very limited - don't forget that
> Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that the
> computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance to
> get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the evenings
> to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to start
> a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
> buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at the
> end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural and
> urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their living
> increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both children
> and parents can use it thus leading to 1XO per 1child :)
>
> It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of USAID/ASMED
> and hopefully will be a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Svetla
>
>
>
> > hey for how long is the requirement for afghanistan....i mean the
> duration
> > of stay..
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Holden Bonwit <hbonwit at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Edward, I completely agree with your comment about the need for students
> >> to
> >> have their own laptop (eg. not share hardware), and to be able to take
> >> them
> >> home after school hours.
> >> Svetlana, this summer I taught students in India with the OLPCs, and I
> >> published our lessons (both lesson plans and things to change for the
> >> next
> >> deployment) on the web:
> >> http://whereisholden.blogspot.com/search?q=OLPC
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> -Holden
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Edward Cherlin
> >> <echerlin at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Svetlana Senajova
> >>> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
> >>> > Dear All,
> >>> >
> >>> > Perhaps Afghanistan is not the first place you think of when
> >>> considering
> >>> > your next vacation or internship. But since OLPC are donating 10,000
> >>> G1G1
> >>> > machines to Afghanistan and is working with the top level of the
> >>> Ministry
> >>> > of Education this could very well become a showpiece for OLPC in S.
> >>> Asia.
> >>> >
> >>> > Other 1,000 XO laptops are donated by telecommunication company
> >>> Roshan
> >>> and
> >>> > PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd. is responsible for the complete
> >>> > project implementation in upcoming months. XOs will be introduced to
> >>> more
> >>> > than 85,000 children as they will not be deployed at 1XO to 1 child
> >>> but
> >>> 21
> >>> > XOs to 1 school in form of a computer lab, reaching 283 schools
> >>> across
> >>> the
> >>> > country.
> >>>
> >>> That is a great shame. One of the most important aspects of the OLPC
> >>> program is the ability of children to own their XOs and take them
> >>> home. They get the greatest advantages of mesh networking and
> >>> collaborative software not in class, but when doing homework together.
> >>> It is also essential for parents to see what the children are doing.
> >>>
> >>> > We are looking for 2 Interns / Graduates / Motivated volunteers to
> >>> help
> >>> us
> >>> > building the capacity of the local team. We need to operate
> >>> university
> >>> > outreach programs, training, and a fair bit of direct server config
> >>> in
> >>> > advance of having sufficient locally built capacity. We are looking
> >>> > through various graduate/student/internship organisations.
> >>> >
> >>> > We can offer flight support, accommodation, and a living stipend.
> >>> >
> >>> > Afghanistan day to day in most provinces and most places remains
> >>> pretty
> >>> > safe - one can walk around, go out, visit people using taxis or your
> >>> own
> >>> > car. Driving can be just a little chaotic, but nowhere near as bad
> >>> as
> >>> in
> >>> > India. If you look beyond the media there is a lot to see here,
> >>> > hospitality that even exceeds other developing countries, and really
> >>> rapid
> >>> > progress. There are some places (like the south) that are dangerous,
> >>> but
> >>> > in Kabul and the north things are pretty stable. One just needs to
> >>> know
> >>> > places to go to and places to stay away from (like military bases,
> >>> big
> >>> > foreigner parties, etc).
> >>> >
> >>> > Right now we are half way through setting up an open source
> >>> localisation
> >>> > team for Afghanistan and building the open source community. For
> >>> those
> >>> of
> >>> > you who are more interested in remote contributions to Afghanistan
> >>> > specifically, a chance is here too.
> >>> >
> >>> > Afghanistan could be the case study that shows the ability of the XO
> >>> to
> >>> be
> >>> > at the center of redevelopment. If we can make the XO work here -
> >>> then
> >>> we
> >>> > can prove to the world that it can work almost anywhere! You might
> >>> hear
> >>> > on the news about the chronic waste of money out here, the hundreds
> >>> of
> >>> > millions missing, wasted, and worse. And you know how cost
> >>> effectively
> >>> the
> >>> > XO can change that. The great thing about Afghanistan, is being a
> >>> > development work in progress, we can together, and will, improve that
> >>> > situation. I hope we can find some people to join us on the ground
> >>> and
> >>> > help make that happen.
> >>> >
> >>> > For info about OLPC Afghanistan please visit www.olpc.af or email me
> >>> at
> >>> > svetla at paiwastoon.com.af.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks/Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > -Svetla
> >>> >
> >>> > Svetlana Senajova
> >>> > Business Development Director
> >>> > PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd.
> >>> > svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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> >>> > India at lists.laptop.org
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> >>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:24:56 -0700
> From: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [OLPC India] Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting!
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
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> I find this idea of putting XOs into computer labs unacceptable. What
> do others think?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Svetlana Senajova
> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
> > Dear Edward,
> >
> > Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children have
> > access to computer, as the supply is very limited
>
> "The shortage will be divided among the peasants."--Walt Kelly
>
> I am well aware of this argument. It is wrong-headed. The problem is
> that the answers you get depend on whether you are asking the right
> questions. This project does not.
>
> > - don't forget that
> > Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that
> the
> > computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance to
> > get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the
> evenings
> > to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to start
> > a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
> > buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at the
> > end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural and
> > urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their living
> > increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both
> children
> > and parents can use it.
>
> What is this about having parents buy XOs? That violates the
> fundamental principle of the OLPC program. I'm copying Nicholas
> Negroponte on this.
>
> > It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of USAID/ASMED
>
> I need to see the documentation on this project so I can ask my
> Congressman to investigate USAID for this violation of the project's
> fundamental principle. Is there a public URL for any of the
> agreements? I find a press release at
>
> http://www.mcit.gov.af/detail.asp?CatID=1&ContID=179
> Posted on: Sep 18, 2008
> Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication and IT Launch the
> One Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
>
> http://www.moe.gov.af/news/Sanbullah/15September2008.htm
> Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication Launch the One
> Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
> Quotes Bryan Rhodes, Chief of Party for ASMED, USAID's Small and
> Medium Enterprise Development project.
>
> I can't find anything about this program on
> http://afghanistan.usaid.gov/en/
>
> Well, I will inquire at
>
> Contact Us
>
> USAID/Afghanistan
> U.S. Embassy Cafe Compound
> Great Masood Road
> Kabul, Afghanistan
> Tel: 202.216.6288
>
> USAID/Afghanistan
> (mailing address)
> 6180 Kabul Place
> Dulles, VA 20189-6180
>
> USAID Press and Outreach
> Email: kabul-info at usaid.gov
>
> USAID/Washington
> Bureau for Asia and the Near East
> Afghanistan Desk Officer
> Email: skeyvanshad at usaid.gov
>
> Embassy of the United States
> Kabul, Afghanistan
> Tel: (00 93) (20) 230-0436
> Fax: (00 93) (20) 230-1364
>
> U.S. Embassy Press Attache
> E-mail: mellottj at state.gov
>
> U.S. Department of State
> Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs
> Afghanistan Desk
>
> > and hopefully will a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
>
> It is vital that some of the computers, even if only a few hundred, be
> distributed one-to-one, even if most go into computer labs. That way
> the Ministry can have a chance to see its error.
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Svetla
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Svetlana Senajova
> >> <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
> >>> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps Afghanistan is not the first place you think of when
> considering
> >>> your next vacation or internship. But since OLPC are donating 10,000
> >>> G1G1
> >>> machines to Afghanistan and is working with the top level of the
> >>> Ministry
> >>> of Education this could very well become a showpiece for OLPC in S.
> >>> Asia.
> >>>
> >>> Other 1,000 XO laptops are donated by telecommunication company Roshan
> >>> and
> >>> PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd. is responsible for the complete
> >>> project implementation in upcoming months. XOs will be introduced to
> >>> more
> >>> than 85,000 children as they will not be deployed at 1XO to 1 child but
> >>> 21
> >>> XOs to 1 school in form of a computer lab, reaching 283 schools across
> >>> the
> >>> country.
> >>
> >> That is a great shame. One of the most important aspects of the OLPC
> >> program is the ability of children to own their XOs and take them
> >> home. They get the greatest advantages of mesh networking and
> >> collaborative software not in class, but when doing homework together.
> >> It is also essential for parents to see what the children are doing.
> >>
> >>> We are looking for 2 Interns / Graduates / Motivated volunteers to help
> >>> us
> >>> building the capacity of the local team. We need to operate university
> >>> outreach programs, training, and a fair bit of direct server config in
> >>> advance of having sufficient locally built capacity. We are looking
> >>> through various graduate/student/internship organisations.
> >>>
> >>> We can offer flight support, accommodation, and a living stipend.
> >>>
> >>> Afghanistan day to day in most provinces and most places remains pretty
> >>> safe - one can walk around, go out, visit people using taxis or your
> own
> >>> car. Driving can be just a little chaotic, but nowhere near as bad as
> >>> in
> >>> India. If you look beyond the media there is a lot to see here,
> >>> hospitality that even exceeds other developing countries, and really
> >>> rapid
> >>> progress. There are some places (like the south) that are dangerous,
> >>> but
> >>> in Kabul and the north things are pretty stable. One just needs to
> know
> >>> places to go to and places to stay away from (like military bases, big
> >>> foreigner parties, etc).
> >>>
> >>> Right now we are half way through setting up an open source
> localisation
> >>> team for Afghanistan and building the open source community. For those
> >>> of
> >>> you who are more interested in remote contributions to Afghanistan
> >>> specifically, a chance is here too.
> >>>
> >>> Afghanistan could be the case study that shows the ability of the XO to
> >>> be
> >>> at the center of redevelopment. If we can make the XO work here - then
> >>> we
> >>> can prove to the world that it can work almost anywhere! You might
> hear
> >>> on the news about the chronic waste of money out here, the hundreds of
> >>> millions missing, wasted, and worse. And you know how cost effectively
> >>> the
> >>> XO can change that. The great thing about Afghanistan, is being a
> >>> development work in progress, we can together, and will, improve that
> >>> situation. I hope we can find some people to join us on the ground and
> >>> help make that happen.
> >>>
> >>> For info about OLPC Afghanistan please visit www.olpc.af or email me
> at
> >>> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks/Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Svetla
> >>>
> >>> Svetlana Senajova
> >>> Business Development Director
> >>> PAIWASTOON Networking Services Ltd.
> >>> svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> India mailing list
> >>> India at lists.laptop.org
> >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
>
> --
> Silent Thunder (??/??????????????? ) is my name
> And Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place,
> The Truth my destination.
>
>
>
> --
> Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams
> fivethirtyeight.com, 3bluedudes.com Obama still moving ahead in EC!
> http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Smears Join us!
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai For the children
>
> Silent Thunder (??/??????????????? ) is my name
> And Children are my nation.
> The Cosmos is my dwelling place,
> The Truth my destination.
>
> Edward Mokurai Cherlin
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai
> http://www.amazon.com/xo
> Give One, Get One, from Nov. 17
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:28:57 -0400
> From: "Seth Woodworth" <seth at laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Fwd: OLPC Afghanistan starting!
> To: "Edward Cherlin" <echerlin at gmail.com>, svetla at paiwastoon.com.af
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
> <b54bd10a0810192328w439ceb4ev9ab16ab1de5288c4 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I find this idea of putting XOs into computer labs unacceptable. What
> > do others think?
> >
>
> I'm not overly fond of the idea.
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Svetlana Senajova
> > <svetla at paiwastoon.com.af> wrote:
> > > Dear Edward,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your points. The idea behind this is that more children have
> > > access to computer, as the supply is very limited
> >
> > "The shortage will be divided among the peasants."--Walt Kelly
> >
> > I am well aware of this argument. It is wrong-headed. The problem is
> > that the answers you get depend on whether you are asking the right
> > questions. This project does not.
> >
> > > - don't forget that
> > > Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Besides that
> > the
> > > computers will be in the school where all children will have a chance
> to
> > > get to know computer, their parents will have access to it in the
> > evenings
> > > to get a learning for themselves - e.g. about hygiene, about how to
> start
> > > a business, how to get better crops out of their fields, connecting to
> > > buyers and supplies of agricultural products etc. And this shall at the
> > > end prove that it can contribute to economic development of the rural
> and
> > > urban areas and that in the future when parents' standard of their
> living
> > > increases they can purchase XO themselves and whole family - both
> > children
> > > and parents can use it.
> >
> > What is this about having parents buy XOs? That violates the
> > fundamental principle of the OLPC program. I'm copying Nicholas
> > Negroponte on this.
> >
>
> Woah, Slow down a little bit Ed. Svetla said that parents would have
> access
> to the machines, which would make sense in a computer lab setting. The
> mention of purchasing XO's sounds to me like a long term indicator of
> national growth and development. In that, one day parents could buy
> machines directly like people in the US can.
>
>
> >
> > > It is per wish of Ministry of Education and with support of USAID/ASMED
> >
> > I need to see the documentation on this project so I can ask my
> > Congressman to investigate USAID for this violation of the project's
> > fundamental principle. Is there a public URL for any of the
> > agreements? I find a press release at
> >
> > http://www.mcit.gov.af/detail.asp?CatID=1&ContID=179
> > Posted on: Sep 18, 2008
> > Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication and IT Launch the
> > One Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
> >
> > http://www.moe.gov.af/news/Sanbullah/15September2008.htm
> > Ministry of Education and Ministry of Communication Launch the One
> > Laptop Per Child Project in Partnership with Roshan and ASMED
> > Quotes Bryan Rhodes, Chief of Party for ASMED, USAID's Small and
> > Medium Enterprise Development project.
> >
> > I can't find anything about this program on
> > http://afghanistan.usaid.gov/en/
> >
>
> Laptop.org is similarlly out of date, if I wouldn't take that as an
> idicator
> of anything.
>
>
> >
> > Well, I will inquire at
> >
> > Contact Us
> > ...
> > U.S. Department of State
> > Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs
> > Afghanistan Desk
> >
>
> By all means make contacts and find out more information. But please don't
> do so in a way that would harm what looks like a newly founded partnership
> with USAID.
>
>
> >
> > > and hopefully will a new way of how XO can help in developing world.
> >
> > It is vital that some of the computers, even if only a few hundred, be
> > distributed one-to-one, even if most go into computer labs. That way
> > the Ministry can have a chance to see its error.
> >
>
> Perhaps this will be the case. This is a very young project.
>
> --Seth
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