[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2

Ron Penny ronpenny at kastanet.org
Thu Oct 2 12:51:47 EDT 2008 

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>   1. Re: Use of XOs for Vocational Training & Back Office Support
>      (Asksst at aol.com)
>   2. Re: Use of XOs for Vocational Training & Back Office Support
>      (Erik Garrison)
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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:10:07 EDT
> From: Asksst at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Use of XOs for Vocational Training & Back
> Office Support
> To: sverma at sfsu.edu, walter.bender at gmail.com,
> mvalentin at abeditions.com, ankur at laptop.org
> Cc: nvermaz at gmail.com, india at lists.laptop.org
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> Thanks Marc, Walter, Sameer , Ankur and others. What I gather is that
> dual-boot XOs could be used in the classrooms as well as for vocational 
> training  &
> Back Office Support with attached key-board & mouse, but performance  may 
> be
> an issue.
>
> Can you also educate us on other associated aspects:
> 1. Server Requirements & estimated cost, if we start with 20 XOs  and add 
> up
> to 100 in a year or two
> 2. Power Backup / UPS and other infrastructure requirements as at RK Girls
> College, we rarely get more than 6-7 hours electricity and voltage
> fluctuations are often from 110V-350V. The supply is during days some 
> weeks  and during
> night other weeks.
> 3. Networking between XOs and use of email thru XOs. Currently  we are 
> using
> Tata Indicom wireless (Web Serf) services available from  Kanpur dealers.
> 4. Best way of using VOIP services of Vonage or other service from US
> providers
>
> Regards .......... Sheel
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2008 11:46:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sverma at sfsu.edu writes:
>
> On Tue,  Sep 30, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I cannot speak for OLPC, but in general, the Sugar learning  platform
>> is configurable as a session option such that a computer can  be
>> switched back and forth between a conventional Linux desktop and  Sugar
>> at the granularity of the login session. So yes, it would be  possible
>> to support the scenario that you are  proposing.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>  --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>>  http://www.sugarlabs.org
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> Ah! You are proposing  using a GNOME-like environment on an XO to have
> access to things like  OpenOffice, etc. but I suspect Sheel's approach
> is leaning towards  "vocational" as in turn-the-handle-and-the
> mill-will-produce MS Windows +  MS Office. Sheel, is this correct? Are
> you thinking of specific platforms,  or are you thinking of specific
> skills? If it is the latter, Walter's  suggestion will work well.
> Skills for word-processing, spreadsheets, etc.  can be obtained easily
> with OpenOffice on Linux on an XO, without the  overhead of an
> anti-virus suite :-)
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> -- 
> Dr.  Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Information Systems
> San  Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132  USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:46:16 -0400
> From: Erik Garrison <erik at laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Use of XOs for Vocational Training & Back
> Office Support
> To: Asksst at aol.com
> Cc: nvermaz at gmail.com, mvalentin at abeditions.com,
> walter.bender at gmail.com, india at lists.laptop.org
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> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 11:10:07AM -0400, Asksst at aol.com wrote:
>> Thanks Marc, Walter, Sameer , Ankur and others. What I gather is that
>> dual-boot XOs could be used in the classrooms as well as for
>> vocational training  & Back Office Support with attached key-board &
>> mouse, but performance  may be an issue.
>>
>
> I strongly encourage you to examine debxo, a Debian + Gnome distribution
> for the XO produced by Andr?s Salomon, for use in your vocational
> training program.
>
> See: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/018378.html for
> the announcement.  The current version can be downloaded from:
> http://queued.mit.edu/~dilinger/debxo/ and installed on any unsecured
> laptop.  (The laptops must be 'unlocked' using a developer key to
> install a non-standard operating system.  See
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_Developer_Keys for a
> description of what a developer key does).
>
> The debxo Debian + Gnome distribution will provide you with a
> traditional desktop environment and access to free/open source software
> for vocational training (word processors, spreadsheet programs, web
> browsers, skype, etc.).  I do not have hard numbers but I would expect
> the Debian distribution to be less resource-intensive than Windows XP.
> For instance, Windows XP does not fit on the stock internal memory and
> requires installation on an external SD memory card, whereas Debian
> doesn't.
>
> The system runs quite well on the XO.  I have been testing it on my
> personal XO for more than a month without any significant issues.
>
> If the use of the machines (young vs. older users) is not interleaved,
> you can simply wipe the machines and install one OS or the other as
> needed.  Dual boot is also an option but to my knowledge it has not been
> tested in this context.
>
> I will be happy to answer any questions you have regarding this.
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
>> In a message dated 9/30/2008 11:46:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> sverma at sfsu.edu writes:
>>
>> On Tue,  Sep 30, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I cannot speak for OLPC, but in general, the Sugar learning  platform
>> > is configurable as a session option such that a computer can  be
>> > switched back and forth between a conventional Linux desktop and  Sugar
>> > at the granularity of the login session. So yes, it would be  possible
>> > to support the scenario that you are  proposing.
>> >
>> > regards.
>> >
>> > -walter
>> >
>> >  --
>> > Walter Bender
>> > Sugar Labs
>> >  http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> >  _______________________________________________
>> > India mailing  list
>> > India at lists.laptop.org
>> >  http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
>> >
>>
>> Ah! You are proposing  using a GNOME-like environment on an XO to have
>> access to things like  OpenOffice, etc. but I suspect Sheel's approach
>> is leaning towards  "vocational" as in turn-the-handle-and-the
>> mill-will-produce MS Windows +  MS Office. Sheel, is this correct? Are
>> you thinking of specific platforms,  or are you thinking of specific
>> skills? If it is the latter, Walter's  suggestion will work well.
>> Skills for word-processing, spreadsheets, etc.  can be obtained easily
>> with OpenOffice on Linux on an XO, without the  overhead of an
>> anti-virus suite :-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>> -- 
>> Dr.  Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of Information Systems
>> San  Francisco State University
>> San Francisco CA 94132  USA
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial
>> challenges?  Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, 
>> tips and
>> calculators.      (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)
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