[OLPC India] India Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1
Usha Gowri
usha.gowri at gmail.com
Tue Nov 13 14:16:49 EST 2007
*So my question is
: are you really going to do something for the NGOs working in India ?
Can I tell my staff you are going to send a sample to them ? My
feeling is that it is time to act because competition is there and
OLPC will be obsolete before being released.
*
I can simply vibe with what Valentin writes-its been very frustrating for
those of us who were very excited about your entry into India-the costs have
doubled and to me it is so difficult to understand why you would make us
pay and direct the +1 elsewhere, considering that our poor kids need as they
say every drop of it.
We have discussed technology and beaten it to death.
There seems to be no action in place-the link you send every time I raise
a query is only making it more difficult.
Can we call for action-if you aren't really interested, please do make it
clear to us and we will find alternatives.I also think you should consult
people like Valentin and me-by now we could have sold a million-instead all
we hear is a lot of noise and empty words and hollow discussions on
technology-it all sounds hi funda-but to those of us who know technology
-we think you are just enacting something as if it were a huge event-lets
get to reality point-be grounded please
Gowri
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> 1. Re: Marathi Font help + Glyph alignment feedback
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> 2. getting xo laptop (sidharth chugh)
> 3. Re: getting xo laptop (Joshua N Pritikin)
> 4. Re: getting xo laptop (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero)
> 5. enquiry (sidharth chugh)
> 6. Re: enquiry (Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero)
> 7. Re: enquiry (amit gogna)
> 8. EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ? (Marc Valentin)
> 9. Re: EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ? (Sameer Verma)
> 10. Re: EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ? (Marc Valentin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:42:27 +0530
> From: Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] Marathi Font help + Glyph alignment feedback
> To: Marco Pesenti Gritti <mpg at redhat.com>
> Cc: Bernardo Innocenti <bernie at codewiz.org>, india at lists.laptop.org,
> jg at laptop.org
> Message-ID: <1193944347.7330.30.camel at unmad>
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> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 00:29 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> > Jim Gettys wrote:
> > > Marco will be working on building a new version of the web browser
> very
> > > soon. Support for Arabic and a number of other complex scripts has
> just
> > > "landed" in Firefox (on which our browser is based), and high on our
> > > list of things to do next is to update the browser.
> > > - Jim
> > >
> > >
>
> Hi all,
> I got a B4 system today, and did some testing after upgrading to joyride
> build 190. Here are my feedback/reports
>
> 1) The partial rendering (seen the en.wikipedia's Devanagari page) with
> Browse has indeed been fixed. Thanks Marco :-)
>
> 2) It looks like the corrupt fontconfig cache issue remains - the UI was
> not able to pick up fonts with Devanagari coverage automatically. (Eg:
> The journal showed boxes with codepoints after I used Browse to visit a
> page with Hindi titles). Deleting the cache and regenerating them seems
> to work. This may be an issue with fontconfig itself -
> http://abock.org/2007/11/01/font-sadness/ sounds vaguely familiar :-)
>
> 3) In Write activity, split vowels signs (they are found in two major
> scripts, Bengali (bn) and Malayalam (ml)) are sometimes being rendered
> incorrectly. Instead of splitting the vowel sign up and placing the the
> base consonant _in between_, in some cases, Write is rendering the split
> vowel sign after the base consonant.
> I would do some more investigation on this and if required file a ticket
> (it may be entirely possible that I'm doing something really stupid :-)
>
> Warm regards,
> Sayamindu
>
>
>
> --
> Sayamindu Dasgupta
> http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:11:01 +0000 (GMT)
> From: sidharth chugh <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [OLPC India] getting xo laptop
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
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> i am living in delhi and studing in a school so how can i get this xo
> laptop
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> From: Joshua N Pritikin <jpritikin at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] getting xo laptop
> To: sidharth chugh <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
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> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 06:11:01PM +0000, sidharth chugh wrote:
> > i am living in delhi and studing in a school so how can i get this xo
> > laptop
>
> Via G1G1? Well, you could ask somebody in USA/Canada to order one for
> you and then they could bring it to India sometime.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:41:59 -0500
> From: "Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero" <dirakx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] getting xo laptop
> To: "Joshua N Pritikin" <jpritikin at pobox.com>
> Cc: sidharth chugh <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>, india at lists.laptop.org
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> Yep for more info please see.
>
> http://www.xogiving.org/
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> On Nov 12, 2007 1:16 PM, Joshua N Pritikin <jpritikin at pobox.com> wrote:
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> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 06:11:01PM +0000, sidharth chugh wrote:
> > > i am living in delhi and studing in a school so how can i get this xo
> > > laptop
> >
> > Via G1G1? Well, you could ask somebody in USA/Canada to order one for
> > you and then they could bring it to India sometime.
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> From: sidharth chugh <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: [OLPC India] enquiry
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> i have heard that xo laptop has entered in india and also given laptops to
> kahariat school in maharashtra in INDIA
> i am living in another state i.e delhi in INDIA only and studing in a
> school so how can i get this xo laptop.
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> reply soon
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> From: "Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero" <dirakx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] enquiry
> To: "sidharth chugh" <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
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> For now you can ask somebody to bring one for USA or Canda to the Give one
> Get one program.
>
> http://www.xogiving.org/
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> On Nov 12, 2007 1:48 PM, sidharth chugh <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > i have heard that xo laptop has entered in india and also given laptops
> to
> > kahariat school in maharashtra in INDIA
> > i am living in another state i.e delhi in INDIA only and studing in a
> > school so how can i get this xo laptop.
> >
> > reply soon
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> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:26:23 -0800
> From: "amit gogna" <amitg at laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] enquiry
> To: "sidharth chugh" <sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
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> sidharth ,
>
> At khairat , pilot for olpc in India is going on. As rightly said you
> can get those from locations mentioned.
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 11:02 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
> <dirakx at gmail.com> wrote:
> > For now you can ask somebody to bring one for USA or Canda to the Give
> one
> > Get one program.
> >
> > http://www.xogiving.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2007 1:48 PM, sidharth chugh < sidharthchugh at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i have heard that xo laptop has entered in india and also given
> laptops to
> > kahariat school in maharashtra in INDIA
> > > i am living in another state i.e delhi in INDIA only and studing in a
> > school so how can i get this xo laptop.
> > >
> > > reply soon
> > >
> > >
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> > Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
> > One Laptop Per Child
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:01:50 +0100
> From: "Marc Valentin" <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Subject: [OLPC India] EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ?
> To: india at lists.laptop.org.
> Message-ID:
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> Hi,
> I am in charge of a Belgian NGO. We are developping projects in India.
> Our main project is a school created in a backward village area in
> U.P. We have almost 600 children now and 120 more are coming every
> year. At the beginning, since the children in the villages didn't have
> the required level of education we had to start with KG and first
> primary (English medium). Each year we open a new level, now level
> four is open. Since the children are growing, I started searching for
> an acceptable computer lab solution (electricity is also a big problem
> in these village areas).
> We have a budget and OLPC looks an appealing solution but it looks the
> ideas behind the project prevent NGOs to be part of it. Let me explain
> : as the main person of the NGO, I have no possibility to get one of
> these computers in hand, I cannot even buy one. I tried to get one
> with the "G1G1 program donation" but it didn't work because I am not
> living in the USA ! But even if I could get one in hand, I could not
> order, because the OLPC organization is selling the computers only to
> governments.
> Now, I discovered the Asus Eee PC... This one is available immediately
> (I will get a sample next week), the power seems great and it does
> everything the OLPC does. (No fancy colors thought). So my question is
> : are you really going to do something for the NGOs working in India ?
> Can I tell my staff you are going to send a sample to them ? My
> feeling is that it is time to act because competition is there and
> OLPC will be obsolete before being released.
> -Marc Valentin-
> Oeuvre des pains asbl
> Gramin Manav Vikas Samiti
> http://www.OeuvreDesPains.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:30:03 -0800
> From: Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ?
> To: Marc Valentin <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Cc: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID: <4738F00B.3010104 at sfsu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Marc Valentin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am in charge of a Belgian NGO. We are developping projects in India.
> > Our main project is a school created in a backward village area in
> > U.P. We have almost 600 children now and 120 more are coming every
> > year. At the beginning, since the children in the villages didn't have
> > the required level of education we had to start with KG and first
> > primary (English medium). Each year we open a new level, now level
> > four is open. Since the children are growing, I started searching for
> > an acceptable computer lab solution (electricity is also a big problem
> > in these village areas).
> > We have a budget and OLPC looks an appealing solution but it looks the
> > ideas behind the project prevent NGOs to be part of it. Let me explain
> > : as the main person of the NGO, I have no possibility to get one of
> > these computers in hand, I cannot even buy one. I tried to get one
> > with the "G1G1 program donation" but it didn't work because I am not
> > living in the USA ! But even if I could get one in hand, I could not
> > order, because the OLPC organization is selling the computers only to
> > governments.
> > Now, I discovered the Asus Eee PC... This one is available immediately
> > (I will get a sample next week), the power seems great and it does
> > everything the OLPC does. (No fancy colors thought). So my question is
> > : are you really going to do something for the NGOs working in India ?
> > Can I tell my staff you are going to send a sample to them ? My
> > feeling is that it is time to act because competition is there and
> > OLPC will be obsolete before being released.
> > -Marc Valentin-
> > Oeuvre des pains asbl
> > Gramin Manav Vikas Samiti
> > http://www.OeuvreDesPains.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > India mailing list
> > India at lists.laptop.org
> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/india
> >
>
>
> Hi Marc,
> Maybe the "Give Many" program will work for you?
> http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml The website says
> that you can direct where a percentage of the laptops will go. I suppose
> you could direct that percentage to your own school...
>
> As for the ASUS Eee PC my understanding is that hardware wise, the Eee
> isn't as robust as the XO. It does not support mesh protocols which
> allow you to build a network infrastructure on the fly where none exist.
> Most importantly, Eee is missing all the activities
> (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities) that make the XO and OLPC more
> than hardware+software+network.
>
> The way I see it, the hardware, software and network innovations of the
> XO are simply there to support constructivist approach to learning and
> that to me is the most appealing aspect of the project. By the way, I am
> no expert on learning (although I do teach for a living :-)) and someone
> on my campus set me straight about constructivism, etc. Here's her
> article...its an easy read.
> http://online.bcit.ca/sidebars/02summer/inside-out-1.htm
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
>
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:31:52 +0100
> From: "Marc Valentin" <mvalentin at oeuvredespains.org>
> Subject: Re: [OLPC India] EeePC now or OLPC after 2 years ?
> To: india at lists.laptop.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi, thanks for the link ! I sent a message, I hope I will get a
> response. So you get 60 laptops for $20000, not so cheap. (The other
> 40 you have no control of the destination). At the moment the current
> model of the Asus Eee Pc is $399, but cheaper models are on the way...
> And you can order the quantity you want.
> But you are right, the idea behind OLPC is completely different and
> that is why I said it is "appealing" for NGOs. However, we in NGO's,
> we have to take decisions and there is no way we can have one OLPC in
> hand. I feel OLPC foundation should be much more active approaching
> NGOs, to give or sell samples to them so they can make up their mind
> and get ready.
> About learning strategies, I would say Indian way of doing things is
> like it was in Europe and the USA, one century ago. The difficult
> aspect of making this evolve is the number of children in a classroom
> : 40 to 50. It is very difficult to go for modern pedagogy in such a
> crowded class. (By the way I was surprised to read that the test class
> chosen by OLPC had only 22 children, you find that nowhere in India
> !).
> Did you have a chance to have one OLPC in hand ? What was your first
> impression ?
> -marc-
>
> On 11/13/07, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> > Hi Marc,
> > Maybe the "Give Many" program will work for you?
> > http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml The website says
> > that you can direct where a percentage of the laptops will go. I suppose
> > you could direct that percentage to your own school...
> >
> > As for the ASUS Eee PC my understanding is that hardware wise, the Eee
> > isn't as robust as the XO. It does not support mesh protocols which
> > allow you to build a network infrastructure on the fly where none exist.
> > Most importantly, Eee is missing all the activities
> > (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities) that make the XO and OLPC more
> > than hardware+software+network.
> >
> > The way I see it, the hardware, software and network innovations of the
> > XO are simply there to support constructivist approach to learning and
> > that to me is the most appealing aspect of the project. By the way, I am
> > no expert on learning (although I do teach for a living :-)) and someone
> > on my campus set me straight about constructivism, etc. Here's her
> > article...its an easy read.
> > http://online.bcit.ca/sidebars/02summer/inside-out-1.htm
> >
> > cheers,
> > Sameer
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor of Information Systems
> > San Francisco State University
> > San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> > http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> > http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
> >
>
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