<div dir="ltr">I that that those are excellent suggestions. And I have no particular ties to ProjectDB personally. What I really want is a conversation about what needs there are in country-level groups that aren't satisfied and how we can do so.<br>
<br>Will you be participating in our meeting Sameer?<br><br>-Seth<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sameer Verma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">Christoph Derndorfer wrote:<br>
> Good morning Seth,<br>
><br>
> sounds like a great topic and I'd love to join in, however that time<br>
> (Friday midnight!!) overlaps with my going-out-and-drinking-beers plans<br>
> so I don't think I'll be able to make it...<br>
><br>
> I therefore vote for IRC as the means of communication since that would<br>
> allow me to catch up with what was said over the weekend.<br>
><br>
> In terms of thoughts on the subject I just want to say that for<br>
> "project management" there are tons of tools available and I'm not sure<br>
> whether hacking the ProjectDB and thereby reinventing the wheel makes<br>
> sense. Especially since that requires a lot of resources and whatnot.<br>
><br>
> So therefore I'm inclined to say that it would be better to scout for<br>
> worthy FOSS PM tools / Web services and then integrate a simple<br>
> export-function from ProjectDB into that other system.<br>
</div>Some good FOSS PM tools:<br>
<br>
Web-based<br>
<a href="http://project.net/" target="_blank">http://project.net/</a> (Java based)<br>
<a href="http://dotproject.net/" target="_blank">http://dotproject.net/</a> (PHP/MySQL)<br>
<a href="http://www.redmine.org/" target="_blank">http://www.redmine.org/</a> (Ruby on Rails)<br>
<a href="http://www.projectpier.org/" target="_blank">http://www.projectpier.org/</a> (time management is rudimentary)<br>
<br>
Offline/client based<br>
<a href="http://openproj.org/" target="_blank">http://openproj.org/</a> (Java based)<br>
<a href="http://www.openworkbench.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openworkbench.org/</a> (Windows-based)<br>
<a href="http://ganttproject.biz/" target="_blank">http://ganttproject.biz/</a> (has WebDAV-based group feature)<br>
<br>
We use dotProject and Project.net on campus. In my opinion (I teach IT<br>
Project Management) two very critical "features" of PM are the ability<br>
to track resources (time, people, money, etc) and reorganize tasks based<br>
on contingencies (dependency management).<br>
<br>
Trac has a Gantt module, but its not very featureful...at least it<br>
wasn't when we evaluated it in Spring semester.<br>
<a href="http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GanttPlugin" target="_blank">http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GanttPlugin</a><br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Then ProjectDB<br>
> would remain lean and focused and there'd be a clear step in terms of<br>
> project status from "proposal" (as long as it's in ProjectDB) to "work<br>
> in progress" (as soon as moved into that PM tool).<br>
><br>
><br>
</div>+1 This workflow needs to be clear. Bogging down a proposal with PM<br>
minutiae will only create more barriers to entry.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> But then again, I haven't had my morning coffee so I have no idea<br>
> whether what I just wrote makes any sense at all... ;-)<br>
><br>
><br>
</div>I just had a solo espresso. The fog in my mind is clearing. San<br>
Francisco remains foggy as usual :-)<br>
<br>
Sameer<br>
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Associate Professor of Information Systems<br>
San Francisco State University<br>
San Francisco CA 94132 USA<br>
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<br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Christoph<br>
><br>
><br>
> Zitat von Seth Woodworth <<a href="mailto:seth@laptop.org">seth@laptop.org</a>>:<br>
><br>
><br>
>> SJ, Pia Waugh, and I had a very interesting conversation tonight about<br>
>> organizing projects and proposals via a web interface such as Austria's<br>
>> ProjectDB (<a href="http://projectdb.olpc.at" target="_blank">http://projectdb.olpc.at</a>). While I think that there are several<br>
>> more things that the wiki can and should be doing via Semantic MediaWiki,<br>
>> there are several things that wiki will never be able to do.<br>
>><br>
>> There is a growing need for some project/proposal management tools that are<br>
>> a little smarter about keeping private information private, which is the<br>
>> current use of the ProjectDB. There are several ways that ProjectDB could<br>
>> be expanded and used by individual OLPC groups (like <a href="http://olpc.org.au" target="_blank">olpc.org.au</a>).<br>
>><br>
>> We're going to have an open meeting on the subject at:<br>
>><br>
>> * 23:00 Friday, August 15th, UTC<br>
>> **9:00AM Sat .au<br>
>> **6:00PM Fri .us<br>
>><br>
>> Reply to this thread if you would prefer IRC or Phone and some brief<br>
>> thoughts on the subject.<br>
>><br>
>> All the best,<br>
>> Seth Woodworth<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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