[Grassroots-l] Health Jam 2008

[Ixo X oxI]

Bryan,
  Great ideas !
  Let's continue this health related discussion over on the OLPC Health
mailing list (we are veering off the general grassroots topics here), and
see about bringing your ideas to the next Health Jam... maybe someone can
speak up and propose a time/place on the east coast instead of the west
coast.  *hint* *hint*

Sorry that you are so far away, it would be great to have you there.  (Maybe
align the jam to the next time you are in the area ? :)

-iXo

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com> wrote:

> absolutely,
>
> Start w/ some simple goals for Health
>
> 1 activity for first aid
> 1 activity on nutrition
> 1 activity on the causes of disease
>
> 1 good pdf on the causes of disease
>
> Then do some work on them to get started. After you have some prototypes
> __then__ go look for help. The argument is "Here are our goals, here is
> what we have so far, please help us improve what we have. However, if
> you are think you could create better content yourself by starting from
> scratch, please do so."
>
> If you ask the larger community for help w/out having any existing
> prototypes or precise goals, everyone goes off in different directions.
>
> Martin Langhoff's e-mail motto sums it up quite well
>
> "don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first"
>
> Since you have an all-volunteer team on OLPC Health, you need projects
> where folks can contribute a few hours a week. I recommend avoiding
> architecturally complex or esoteric technical projects, it will be hard
> for folks to put in the necessary time and for others not so acquainted
> w/ that obscure platform to contribute. We are running into this problem
> w/ EPaati since it is coded in Squeak.
>
> If you could get some of Greg Smith's time, he could help you put
> together a project plan. He has been very helpful to me. He is also
> resident in Boston
>
> hope this helps
>
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 00:01 +0530, Arjun Sarwal wrote:
> > >  Why didn't the Health Jam focus on getting folks to help w/ the
> > >  development of these activities that you described?
> > >
> > >  Too many OLPC content projects are characterized by
> > >  1) Lots of great ideas
> > >  2) Lack of focus
> > >  3) Lots of excitement, wiki pages, and e-mails
> > >  4) Not much output in terms of finished activities or activity
> bundles.
> > >
> > >  Sorry to be blunt but we need to change this.
> > >
> >
> > Ideas on getting started with this change ?
> >
> > (just trying to push the conversation forward in this direction as I
> > agree with your point to some extent)
> >
> > best
> > Arjun
> >
> >
> > From: Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Grassroots-l] Health Jam 2008
> > To: Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>
> > Cc: olpc-open <olpc-open at laptop.org>,   Games for the OLPC
> >        <games at lists.laptop.org>, grassroots at lists.laptop.org
> > Message-ID: <1209493566.7102.84.camel at dell.linuxdev.us.dell.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > >There's no contradiction between activities that are fun, or with
> > >complex ideas behind them, and those that teach the most basic health
> > >and survival skills to children.
> >
> > Teaching basic health and survival skills to kids is actually quite
> > complex.
> >
> > EKG's w/ the XO or the VistA healthcare suite are neat apps but not what
> > is needed by most deployments.
> >
> > When I refer to "complex" I more precisely mean problems that are
> > technically interesting but not directly not related to education for
> > kids ages 6-12, OLPC's primary focus.
> >
> > Why didn't the Health Jam focus on getting folks to help w/ the
> > development of these activities that you described?
> >
> > Too many OLPC content projects are characterized by
> > 1) Lots of great ideas
> > 2) Lack of focus
> > 3) Lots of excitement, wiki pages, and e-mails
> > 4) Not much output in terms of finished activities or activity bundles.
> >
> > Sorry to be blunt but we need to change this.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 13:47 -0400, Samuel Klein wrote:
> > > There's no contradiction between activities that are fun, or with
> > > complex ideas behind them, and those that teach the most basic health
> > > and survival skills to children.
> > >
> > > There are three health-related games being proposed and worked on at
> > > the moment that are good examples; all of which could use further
> > > specific input.  Food Force is closest to having something playable...
> > > pehaps Muriel and Deepank can say a bit more about its recent status.
> > >
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Water_Wonders
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Malnutrition
> > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Food_Force
> > >
> > > SJ
>
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