<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Andres, and Edward,<div><br></div><div>Great to hear from both of you! We have been very excited about this project from the beginning, and would be glad to offer any assistance we can. Roy, Terry and I work closely together, so we have all been discussing your project. I have good news for you, and then several questions. The kid I got to look at the latest version was delighted with it his message is below: </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 49, 80); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; "><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="tbl-border" style="background-color: rgb(209, 216, 221); position: static; z-index: auto; "><tbody><tr><td align="right" width="1%" class="tbl2" style="white-space: nowrap; font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(246, 246, 246); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">From</td><td class="tbl1" style="font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; "><a href="http://tigersmouth.org/profile.php?lookup=113" style="color: rgb(0, 61, 113); text-decoration: none; ">leinad</a></td></tr><tr><td align="right" width="1%" class="tbl2" style="white-space: nowrap; font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(246, 246, 246); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">Date</td><td class="tbl1" style="font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">10/10/2008 22:03</td></tr><tr><td align="right" width="1%" class="tbl2" style="white-space: nowrap; font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(246, 246, 246); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">Subject</td><td class="tbl1" style="font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">RE: Play Go</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="tbl1" style="font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); padding-top: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; ">THIS IS A REALLY BIG STEP UP FROM THE OLD PROGRAM!!!<img title="biggrin" alt="biggrin" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " height="15" width="19" src="cid:CD3E1383-A006-4689-9057-73193692898A@hsd1.co.comcast.net."><img title="biggrin" alt="biggrin" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " height="15" width="19" src="cid:8C51D348-FB22-42F6-8CD1-B33675241AD1@hsd1.co.comcast.net."><img title="biggrin" alt="biggrin" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " height="15" width="19" src="cid:0BF85069-98D8-4A17-80C3-D5660FA0E87F@hsd1.co.comcast.net."><img title="biggrin" alt="biggrin" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " height="15" width="19" src="cid:DF0CA889-A231-45ED-8943-F4D8685149E1@hsd1.co.comcast.net."><br><br>the ai is not half bad and might beat me... you can pass, it enforces ko and calculates the score... you can refresh the game without exiting out, you have a choice of 19x19, 13x13, or 9x9, and you can undo!!!! there is a problem that i cannot really discribe but i will try to get some screenshots... it does not inhibit game play in any way due to the undo capability. <br><br>i really think the ai would have beaten me but i stopped playing... <br>then i played a 9x9 game and it did beat me but it filled in a lot of unnecessary points at the end... <img title="sad" alt="sad" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " height="15" width="19" src="cid:3BF17986-503D-42F6-B456-0F3AFCD4F88B@hsd1.co.comcast.net."> i need to practice more...<br><br>they should include numbers and letters around the edges...</td></tr></tbody></table></span><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I think he is 12 or 13, I know him through our website but have never met him. He was pretty disappointed with the initial release, so clearly you guys are working on the right things.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there a way for me to run your program on my computer so I can look at it? I downloaded the latest version of PlayGo, but as I do not have one of your laptops I can't do anything with it. I am running Mac OS 10.5 on a new intel iMac. I have an application that can port some Windows applications on my Mac also. </div><div><br></div><div>As for using our learn to play section from the website, please feel free. I personally wrote everything, and we own the drawings as well. If you could credit the AGF and provide a link to Tiger's Mouth that would be great. What would really be ideal is an interactive learn to play module that teaches kids how to play. There is a good one online already, I link to it from our learn to play page. If you didn't click on it, the link is here:</div><div><a href="http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html">http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html</a> It is also already available in some 30 languages, so you could save yourself some trouble by using what has already been done. The interactive way to go was written by Hiroki Mori, I am sure he would be completely supportive of OLPC. His contact info is on the website. I would also be happy to work on a learn to play interface for your program if that were more feasible for an end product.</div><div><br></div><div>What materials describe the application to laptop users, and entice them to explore it? My understanding was that it needs to be downloaded separately from the main package. Is that the case or is it bundled with everything else? </div><div><br></div><div>Another excellent way to get some feedback would be for Andres and I to play a game together online. The KGS Go Server is a terrific program. Looking at how that works together, and talking about important aspects of the game, could give you a good deal of insight into how to improve PlayGo.</div><div><br></div><div>This forum is fine, I am happy to conduct these discussions through your list. I just wasn't sure how many people were on it, or if this was the appropriate place for this discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div>Paul Barchilon,</div><div>American Go Foundation</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://tigersmouth.org">http://tigersmouth.org</a></div><div><a href="http://agfgo.org">http://agfgo.org</a></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span><img height="75" width="75" src="cid:7E325FA2-B16C-466F-81A0-F9825541B16B@hsd1.co.comcast.net."></span> </div></span></div></span></span></div><br><div><div>On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Andrés Ambrois wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Friday 10 October 2008 06:49:58 Edward Cherlin wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I am a go player and programmer, and I have been involved in PlayGo<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">from the beginning. I am also the one communicating with AGA about<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PlayGo and about our plans for multilingual content for teaching Go.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Some years ago I worked on a multilingual go glossary in Unicode,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">adding various writing systems to the ASCII original.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Paul Barchilon <<a href="mailto:shimari@comcast.net">shimari@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hello to all who are working on this project, and thank you for the great<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">service you are providing to kids around the world! I am the Vice<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">President of the American Go Foundation, a charitable organization that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">provides free Go equipment to children and teachers in schools. I spend<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a great deal of time teaching children, and am an active Go player and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">organizer on the national scene. It has come to my attention that there<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">are a number of problems with the Play Go program, and also that a set of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">rules that are appropriate for children may well be needed.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am not a computer programmer, and do not have one of the laptops, so I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">haven't actually seen the Play Go program at work.<br></blockquote></blockquote><br> Hello Paul and Edward!<br><br> I've written most of the code in PlayGo, following Gerard J. Cerchio's <br>initial implementation, so its very encouraging to see so much enthusiasm <br>behind it! <br><br> While I'm not a great Go player, (I do think it's a fantastic game, just <br>haven't found a good sparring partner :)). I believe it's a great way to teach <br>analytical thinking to young kids in a fun way. Therefore, feedback such as <br>this, from knowledgeable people like you, is paramount to its improvement. <br>Thank you!<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You can download the latest version. I'll get you instructions offline.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I did ask a child who<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">has one, and plays Go, to tell me how it seemed. He may have an older<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">version of the software, but if his observations are correct it sounds<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like there are some serious issues. I would be very glad to help solve<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">some of these problems if you would like some input. As I said, I can't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">program, but I can tell whoever is writing the software what the problems<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">are.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you.<br></blockquote><br> Great! Thanks for testing! Perhaps you could encourage people to try the <br>latest version of the activity. You can find it at <br><a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All</a> . I would love to hear about this <br>issues in more detail. <br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Please feel free to contact me directly at <a href="mailto:shimari@comcast.net">shimari@comcast.net</a>. If you<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would like a rule set designed for children, please let me know and we<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">will be happy to write one for you.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We will be very interested to hear from you on this.<br></blockquote><br> Perhaps we could continue this discussion using this list? It would be <br>better for other people that can contribute *hint hint*. <br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">You can see one example of our approach to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this on our youth go website, which is here:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://tigersmouth.org/viewpage.php?page_id=8">http://tigersmouth.org/viewpage.php?page_id=8</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><br> Sweet. Now that the Help activity is being shipped, perhaps we could include <br>this work in a help bundle for PlayGo. Is this work under a free license?<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thank you so much, and I hope to hear from whoever is programming Play<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Go.<br></blockquote></blockquote><br> Thank you!<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sincerely,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Paul Barchilon,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">American Go Foundation<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://tigersmouth.org">http://tigersmouth.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://agfgo.org">http://agfgo.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><br>-- <br> -Andrés<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>