[OLPC-Games] Play Go issues for laptop
Paul Barchilon
shimari at comcast.net
Sun Oct 12 15:28:15 EDT 2008
Hi Walter,
That was exactly the right question to ask! I was trying the LiveCD
method with XO-LiveCD_080919.iso, which didn't work. When I created a
"new PC" in Qemu and told it to use olpc-redhat-stream-ship.2-
devel_ext3.img then it worked.
Still trying to figure out how to get the screen size to the
appropriate dimensions, and now I have to figure out how to use your
OS. From there I will load PlayGo and get back to all of you. Thanks
for the help, I am glad I got in finally!
Here is another comment from the kid who is giving me feedback on his
laptop:
From leinad
Date 10/11/2008 23:39
Subject RE: one thing about playgo i can
i dont think it is online i think you have to be physically near
another XO...
and i do not have access to wi-fi that frequently...
also i noticed that the program does not take away dead stones...
I am not sure if he means it doesn't take dead stones off during play,
or at the end, both are important though. I will definitely want to
play a game with Andres on KGS, I think we could figure out all the
problems quite quickly that way.
Thanks,
Paul
http://barchilonceramics.com
Paul Barchilon
1005 36th St.
Boulder, CO 80303-2139
303-440-7124
On Oct 12, 2008, at 5:21 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
> (Step 1 of the instructions say: "You should already have an ext3
> variant XO build image.")
>
> Out of curiosity, which image did you try to load in the emulator?
>
> Obviously, as was pointed out on the Emulating the XO page, we've not
> paid enough attention to getting Sugar to install on a Mac yet.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Paul Barchilon
> <shimari at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Edward,
>>
>> Response below:
>>
>>>>
>>>> My operating system is Mac OS 10.5.5. Qemu seems to work without
>>>> any
>>>> trouble. The final screen mentions something about failing to load
>>>> the
>>>> Keyboard module. I tried it with a different keyboard just in case
>>>> that was
>>>> the problem, but no luck. My only keyboard options are USB,
>>>> hopefully that
>>>> is not the issue.
>>>
>>> What was the exact command you used? Sometimes it is a matter of the
>>> correct command-line options. I don't know how that works, but
>>> others
>>> here do.
>>
>> I didn't use a command at all. Qemu has buttons to launch, and drop
>> down menus for several items. I followed the directions on the page
>> Walter sent me to: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO/Quick_Start/Mac
>> I had the same problem with QEMU arguments that whoever wrote that
>> page did, so I left it blank. Qemu fails to find the correct start
>> image (even when it is set in the preferences), but if you click on
>> the Change CD Rom button, you can navigate to the right one and it
>> starts up as I described earlier.
>>
>> Hope we can figure this out, I really want to try this thing!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can run Sugar (and PlayGo) without an XO laptop. See
>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems for some options.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Paul Barchilon
>>>>> <shimari at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andres, and Edward,
>>>>>> Great to hear from both of you! We have been very excited about
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> project from the beginning, and would be glad to offer any
>>>>>> assistance we
>>>>>> can. Roy, Terry and I work closely together, so we have all been
>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>> your project. I have good news for you, and then several
>>>>>> questions. The
>>>>>> kid I got to look at the latest version was delighted with it his
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> below:
>>>>>> Fromleinad
>>>>>> Date10/10/2008 22:03
>>>>>> SubjectRE: Play Go
>>>>>> THIS IS A REALLY BIG STEP UP FROM THE OLD PROGRAM!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the ai is not half bad and might beat me... you can pass, it
>>>>>> enforces ko
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> calculates the score... you can refresh the game without exiting
>>>>>> out, you
>>>>>> have a choice of 19x19, 13x13, or 9x9, and you can undo!!!! there
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> problem that i cannot really discribe but i will try to get some
>>>>>> screenshots... it does not inhibit game play in any way due to
>>>>>> the undo
>>>>>> capability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i really think the ai would have beaten me but i stopped
>>>>>> playing...
>>>>>> then i played a 9x9 game and it did beat me but it filled in a
>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>> unnecessary points at the end... i need to practice more...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they should include numbers and letters around the edges...
>>>>>> I think he is 12 or 13, I know him through our website but have
>>>>>> never met
>>>>>> him. He was pretty disappointed with the initial release, so
>>>>>> clearly you
>>>>>> guys are working on the right things.
>>>>>> Is there a way for me to run your program on my computer so I can
>>>>>> look at
>>>>>> it? I downloaded the latest version of PlayGo, but as I do not
>>>>>> have one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> your laptops I can't do anything with it. I am running Mac OS
>>>>>> 10.5 on a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> intel iMac. I have an application that can port some Windows
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>> on my Mac also.
>>>>>> As for using our learn to play section from the website, please
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> free.
>>>>>> I personally wrote everything, and we own the drawings as well.
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>> could credit the AGF and provide a link to Tiger's Mouth that
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> great. What would really be ideal is an interactive learn to
>>>>>> play
>>>>>> module
>>>>>> that teaches kids how to play. There is a good one online
>>>>>> already, I
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> to it from our learn to play page. If you didn't click on it,
>>>>>> the link
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>> http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html It is also already
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> some 30 languages, so you could save yourself some trouble by
>>>>>> using what
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> already been done. The interactive way to go was written by
>>>>>> Hiroki Mori,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am sure he would be completely supportive of OLPC. His contact
>>>>>> info is
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the website. I would also be happy to work on a learn to play
>>>>>> interface
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> your program if that were more feasible for an end product.
>>>>>> What materials describe the application to laptop users, and
>>>>>> entice them
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> explore it? My understanding was that it needs to be downloaded
>>>>>> separately
>>>>>> from the main package. Is that the case or is it bundled with
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> else?
>>>>>> Another excellent way to get some feedback would be for Andres
>>>>>> and I to
>>>>>> play
>>>>>> a game together online. The KGS Go Server is a terrific program.
>>>>>> Looking
>>>>>> at how that works together, and talking about important aspects
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> game,
>>>>>> could give you a good deal of insight into how to improve PlayGo.
>>>>>> This forum is fine, I am happy to conduct these discussions
>>>>>> through your
>>>>>> list. I just wasn't sure how many people were on it, or if this
>>>>>> was the
>>>>>> appropriate place for this discussion.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Paul Barchilon,
>>>>>> American Go Foundation
>>>>>> http://tigersmouth.org
>>>>>> http://agfgo.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Andrés Ambrois wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday 10 October 2008 06:49:58 Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a go player and programmer, and I have been involved in
>>>>>> PlayGo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from the beginning. I am also the one communicating with AGA
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PlayGo and about our plans for multilingual content for teaching
>>>>>> Go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some years ago I worked on a multilingual go glossary in Unicode,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adding various writing systems to the ASCII original.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Paul Barchilon
>>>>>> <shimari at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello to all who are working on this project, and thank you for
>>>>>> the great
>>>>>>
>>>>>> service you are providing to kids around the world! I am the
>>>>>> Vice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> President of the American Go Foundation, a charitable
>>>>>> organization that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> provides free Go equipment to children and teachers in schools.
>>>>>> I spend
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a great deal of time teaching children, and am an active Go
>>>>>> player and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> organizer on the national scene. It has come to my attention
>>>>>> that there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are a number of problems with the Play Go program, and also that
>>>>>> a set of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rules that are appropriate for children may well be needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a computer programmer, and do not have one of the
>>>>>> laptops, so I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> haven't actually seen the Play Go program at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Paul and Edward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've written most of the code in PlayGo, following Gerard J.
>>>>>> Cerchio's
>>>>>> initial implementation, so its very encouraging to see so much
>>>>>> enthusiasm
>>>>>> behind it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I'm not a great Go player, (I do think it's a fantastic
>>>>>> game, just
>>>>>> haven't found a good sparring partner :)). I believe it's a great
>>>>>> way to
>>>>>> teach
>>>>>> analytical thinking to young kids in a fun way. Therefore,
>>>>>> feedback such
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> this, from knowledgeable people like you, is paramount to its
>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can download the latest version. I'll get you instructions
>>>>>> offline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did ask a child who
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has one, and plays Go, to tell me how it seemed. He may have an
>>>>>> older
>>>>>>
>>>>>> version of the software, but if his observations are correct it
>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> like there are some serious issues. I would be very glad to help
>>>>>> solve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some of these problems if you would like some input. As I said,
>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> program, but I can tell whoever is writing the software what the
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great! Thanks for testing! Perhaps you could encourage people to
>>>>>> try the
>>>>>> latest version of the activity. You can find it at
>>>>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All . I would love to hear
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> issues in more detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me directly at shimari at comcast.net.
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> would like a rule set designed for children, please let me know
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will be happy to write one for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will be very interested to hear from you on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps we could continue this discussion using this list? It
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> better for other people that can contribute *hint hint*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see one example of our approach to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this on our youth go website, which is here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tigersmouth.org/viewpage.php?page_id=8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sweet. Now that the Help activity is being shipped, perhaps we
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> include
>>>>>> this work in a help bundle for PlayGo. Is this work under a free
>>>>>> license?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much, and I hope to hear from whoever is programming
>>>>>> Play
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Barchilon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> American Go Foundation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tigersmouth.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://agfgo.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -Andrés
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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