[OLPC-Games] Play Go issues for laptop
Paul Barchilon
shimari at comcast.net
Sun Oct 12 02:02:59 EDT 2008
Hi Walter and Edward,
Thanks for the info. I spent about four hours trying to get Qemu and
Sugar to run on my system, through various configurations, with no
luck. It is frustrating because it comes very close. I make it
through the initial welcome panel for the laptop, enter a black screen
where scores of things launch with an OK, and then end up with a fatal
error at the end. I am attaching a screen shot, hopefully it will
make sense to someone on this list.
As I said before, I am not a computer programmer. I can't execute any
of the commands Edward mentions, I have no clue how to do that. I
read the wiki and followed all of the directions on the page Walter
sent me to.
My operating system is Mac OS 10.5.5. Qemu seems to work without any
trouble. The final screen mentions something about failing to load
the Keyboard module. I tried it with a different keyboard just in
case that was the problem, but no luck. My only keyboard options are
USB, hopefully that is not the issue.
I also burned a disc image, but Macs can't launch anything other than
Mac systems from a restart, and Qemu faults, as described above, from
the CD too.
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Paul Barchilon
1005 36th St.
Boulder, CO 80303-2139
303-440-7124
On Oct 11, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
> You can run Sugar (and PlayGo) without an XO laptop. See
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems for some options.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Paul Barchilon
> <shimari at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Andres, and Edward,
>> Great to hear from both of you! We have been very excited about this
>> project from the beginning, and would be glad to offer any
>> assistance we
>> can. Roy, Terry and I work closely together, so we have all been
>> discussing
>> your project. I have good news for you, and then several
>> questions. The
>> kid I got to look at the latest version was delighted with it his
>> message is
>> below:
>> Fromleinad
>> Date10/10/2008 22:03
>> SubjectRE: Play Go
>> THIS IS A REALLY BIG STEP UP FROM THE OLD PROGRAM!!!
>>
>> the ai is not half bad and might beat me... you can pass, it
>> enforces ko and
>> calculates the score... you can refresh the game without exiting
>> out, you
>> have a choice of 19x19, 13x13, or 9x9, and you can undo!!!! there
>> is a
>> problem that i cannot really discribe but i will try to get some
>> screenshots... it does not inhibit game play in any way due to the
>> undo
>> capability.
>>
>> i really think the ai would have beaten me but i stopped playing...
>> then i played a 9x9 game and it did beat me but it filled in a lot of
>> unnecessary points at the end... i need to practice more...
>>
>> they should include numbers and letters around the edges...
>> I think he is 12 or 13, I know him through our website but have
>> never met
>> him. He was pretty disappointed with the initial release, so
>> clearly you
>> guys are working on the right things.
>> Is there a way for me to run your program on my computer so I can
>> look at
>> it? I downloaded the latest version of PlayGo, but as I do not
>> have one of
>> your laptops I can't do anything with it. I am running Mac OS 10.5
>> on a new
>> intel iMac. I have an application that can port some Windows
>> applications
>> on my Mac also.
>> As for using our learn to play section from the website, please
>> feel free.
>> I personally wrote everything, and we own the drawings as well. If
>> you
>> could credit the AGF and provide a link to Tiger's Mouth that would
>> be
>> great. What would really be ideal is an interactive learn to play
>> module
>> that teaches kids how to play. There is a good one online already,
>> I link
>> to it from our learn to play page. If you didn't click on it, the
>> link is
>> here:
>> http://www.playgo.to/interactive/index.html It is also already
>> available in
>> some 30 languages, so you could save yourself some trouble by using
>> what has
>> already been done. The interactive way to go was written by Hiroki
>> Mori, I
>> am sure he would be completely supportive of OLPC. His contact
>> info is on
>> the website. I would also be happy to work on a learn to play
>> interface for
>> your program if that were more feasible for an end product.
>> What materials describe the application to laptop users, and entice
>> them to
>> explore it? My understanding was that it needs to be downloaded
>> separately
>> from the main package. Is that the case or is it bundled with
>> everything
>> else?
>> Another excellent way to get some feedback would be for Andres and
>> I to play
>> a game together online. The KGS Go Server is a terrific program.
>> Looking
>> at how that works together, and talking about important aspects of
>> the game,
>> could give you a good deal of insight into how to improve PlayGo.
>> This forum is fine, I am happy to conduct these discussions through
>> your
>> list. I just wasn't sure how many people were on it, or if this
>> was the
>> appropriate place for this discussion.
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Barchilon,
>> American Go Foundation
>> http://tigersmouth.org
>> http://agfgo.org
>>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Andr?s Ambrois wrote:
>>
>> On Friday 10 October 2008 06:49:58 Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>
>> I am a go player and programmer, and I have been involved in PlayGo
>>
>> from the beginning. I am also the one communicating with AGA about
>>
>> PlayGo and about our plans for multilingual content for teaching Go.
>>
>> Some years ago I worked on a multilingual go glossary in Unicode,
>>
>> adding various writing systems to the ASCII original.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Paul Barchilon
>> <shimari at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello to all who are working on this project, and thank you for the
>> great
>>
>> service you are providing to kids around the world! I am the Vice
>>
>> President of the American Go Foundation, a charitable organization
>> that
>>
>> provides free Go equipment to children and teachers in schools. I
>> spend
>>
>> a great deal of time teaching children, and am an active Go player
>> and
>>
>> organizer on the national scene. It has come to my attention that
>> there
>>
>> are a number of problems with the Play Go program, and also that a
>> set of
>>
>> rules that are appropriate for children may well be needed.
>>
>> I am not a computer programmer, and do not have one of the laptops,
>> so I
>>
>> haven't actually seen the Play Go program at work.
>>
>> Hello Paul and Edward!
>>
>> I've written most of the code in PlayGo, following Gerard J.
>> Cerchio's
>> initial implementation, so its very encouraging to see so much
>> enthusiasm
>> behind it!
>>
>> While I'm not a great Go player, (I do think it's a fantastic game,
>> just
>> haven't found a good sparring partner :)). I believe it's a great
>> way to
>> teach
>> analytical thinking to young kids in a fun way. Therefore, feedback
>> such as
>> this, from knowledgeable people like you, is paramount to its
>> improvement.
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> You can download the latest version. I'll get you instructions
>> offline.
>>
>> I did ask a child who
>>
>> has one, and plays Go, to tell me how it seemed. He may have an
>> older
>>
>> version of the software, but if his observations are correct it
>> sounds
>>
>> like there are some serious issues. I would be very glad to help
>> solve
>>
>> some of these problems if you would like some input. As I said, I
>> can't
>>
>> program, but I can tell whoever is writing the software what the
>> problems
>>
>> are.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Great! Thanks for testing! Perhaps you could encourage people to
>> try the
>> latest version of the activity. You can find it at
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All . I would love to hear
>> about this
>> issues in more detail.
>>
>> Please feel free to contact me directly at shimari at comcast.net. If
>> you
>>
>> would like a rule set designed for children, please let me know and
>> we
>>
>> will be happy to write one for you.
>>
>> We will be very interested to hear from you on this.
>>
>> Perhaps we could continue this discussion using this list? It would
>> be
>> better for other people that can contribute *hint hint*.
>>
>> You can see one example of our approach to
>>
>> this on our youth go website, which is here:
>>
>> http://tigersmouth.org/viewpage.php?page_id=8
>>
>> Sweet. Now that the Help activity is being shipped, perhaps we could
>> include
>> this work in a help bundle for PlayGo. Is this work under a free
>> license?
>>
>> Thank you so much, and I hope to hear from whoever is programming
>> Play
>>
>> Go.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Paul Barchilon,
>>
>> American Go Foundation
>>
>> http://tigersmouth.org
>>
>> http://agfgo.org
>>
>> --
>> -Andr?s
>>
>>
>>
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