<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"><html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Luxi Sans'; font-size:11pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"><p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p>I did quite a bit more application testing (etoys) in 0.84. It looks very good to me overall. I did notice a few things that are etoys related, Some I could not duplicate though:<br /><br /><br>
Reported etoys items<br />===============<br /> - [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick. In morph menus, missing "export" menu item between "siblings" and "extras". This is interesting because this item does exist in the Etoys 4.0 image downloaded from Tinlizzie http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/etoys-dev-40.zip.<br /> http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-212<br /><br>
- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick. Object Catalog->Multimedia->Camera does not show anything. This may be a problem with Sugar, not Etoys. <br>
http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-213<br>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p> - [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick. No sound .using either -vm-sound-OSS or vm-sound-ALSA in /usr/bin/etoys. This seems problem with Sugar, not Etoys. The driver is loaded yet I do not hear any sound in any Sugar activities.<br /> http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-214<br>
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Unreported etoys items (could not produce steps to duplicate)<br />=====================================<br /><br>
- had a weird problem when renaming projects in the Sugar. (red name over another project black name)<br>
<br /> - Event Theatre, when recording complex process that included long script building, did not replay correctly. Must have missed some events along the way.<br /> <br />Bert, I have a few more notes below inline.<br /><br>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p>On April 3, 2009, Bert Freudenberg wrote:<br />> On 03.04.2009, at 08:36, Milan Zimmermann wrote:<br />> > ok, after fighting with virtualbox emulation (and eventually giving<br />> > up), and incomplete SuSE Sugar version (also gave up, thanks Bert<br />> > for suggestions there), I am testing Etoys in Sugar 0.84 installed<br />> > on a stick right on the OLPC XO.<br />><br />> Yay!<br /><br>
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><br />> > Over all Etoys on 0.84 look good, but I will have to do more testing<br />> > this weekend, so far I see:<br />> ><br />> > Sugar Interaction Problems<br />> > ====================<br />> ><br />> > - If there are any Etoys activities in the Journal, the last actvity<br />> > is picked up when I start Etoys from the menu Circle. This way, I<br />> > can never see Etoys initial screen. I think this is what Bert<br />> > mentioned. It is really annoying behavior, I assume it changed<br />> > because of some changes in the Sugar container. This is really the<br />> > only item I would (personally) consider a bad bug / behaviour. Can<br />> > anyone make a rough comment what would need to be done to change this?<br />><br />> Well, you can still open a fresh Etoys instance from the activities<br />> screen by moving your mouse to the Etoys icon, do not click but wait<br />> until the little black label appears, do still not click but wait<br />> until the label expands to a menu, and then click the "start" menu item.<br />><br />> But this is rather awkward, indeed. The best idea so far was to have a<br />> "home" button that would take you to the launcher screen:<br />><br />> https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9282<br /><br>
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yes, I agree this is a good addition to Sugar version after the changes.<br /><br>
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><br />> > - Etoys do not have Ctrl-Q / Ctrl-S for Quit / Save on the top right<br />> > Controls.<br />><br />> Not quite sure what you mean hear ...<br />><br /><br>
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I ment to say other Activities seems to have a Ctrl-Q shortcut for the "Stop" button and Ctrl-S to "Keep".<br /><br>
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> > - In shared mode, on the "network screen", Etoys is listed as<br />> > "Gallery" (very minor)<br />><br />> Interesting ... it used to show "/usr/share/etoys/etoys.image":<br />><br />> https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8251<br /><br>
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actually it now shows the etoys project name which is reasonable. So maybe the bug can be closed. I looked at it when I worked with the Gallery of projects.<br /><br>
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><br />> > - when not connected to the network, and switching to shared mode, a<br />> > DBus Error Debug Screen appears.<br />><br />> That should be handled nicer indeed.<br />><br />> > - There is no sound - but I think there is be no sound on the OLPC<br />> > running 0.84 from the stick<br />><br />> That might very well be this problem:<br />><br />> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328<br />><br />> If so, a workaround would be to switch to OSS in the /usr/bin/etoys<br />> script (add -vm-sound-OSS to the VM options).<br>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p>I tried both OSS and ALSA, but none worked. The sound driver (ac97) is loaded but I have not heard any sound from any activity onnthe XO, including the speach activity. So I speculate it is Sugar 0.84 related. Documented in a bug just in case - <br>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p>><br />> > ><br />> > Etoys Problems (very little Etoys specific testing so far):<br />> > ============<br />> ><br />> > - sound does not work(Sugar/OLPC Hardware at fault?)<br />><br />> See above<br />><br />> > - video does not work(?Sugar/Hardware at fault?)<br />><br />> For GStreamer you need a new VM, too. I think that's the only video<br />> option we have on Linux.<br>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p><p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br></p>Where can I get the new VM .. I guess it is time to learn how to do that...<br>
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<br />Milan<br>
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