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On 2009-04-06 06:41, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
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I did quite a bit more application testing (etoys) in 0.84. It looks
very good to me overall. I did notice a few things that are etoys
related, Some I could not duplicate though:<br>
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Reported etoys items<br>
===============<br>
- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick.
In morph menus, missing "export" menu item between "siblings" and
"extras". This is interesting because this item does exist in the Etoys
4.0 image downloaded from Tinlizzie
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/etoys-dev-40.zip">http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/etoys-dev-40.zip</a>.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-212">http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-212</a><br>
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XO uses the Journal and export is not integrated with it I guess<br>
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- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick.
Object Catalog->Multimedia->Camera does not show anything. This
may be a problem with Sugar, not Etoys. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-213">http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-213</a><br>
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- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a stick.
No sound .using either -vm-sound-OSS or vm-sound-ALSA in
/usr/bin/etoys. This seems problem with Sugar, not Etoys. The driver is
loaded yet I do not hear any sound in any Sugar activities.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-214">http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-214</a><br>
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- I agree a Home button is needed. Already reported by Bert/Scott.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-165">http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-165</a>.<br>
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Sounds good.<br>
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Karl<br>
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Unreported etoys items (could not produce steps to duplicate)<br>
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- had a weird problem when renaming projects in the Sugar. (red name
over another project black name)<br>
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- Event Theatre, when recording complex process that included long
script building, did not replay correctly. Must have missed some events
along the way.<br>
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Bert, I have a few more notes below inline.<br>
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On April 3, 2009, Bert Freudenberg wrote:<br>
> On 03.04.2009, at 08:36, Milan Zimmermann wrote:<br>
> > ok, after fighting with virtualbox emulation (and eventually
giving<br>
> > up), and incomplete SuSE Sugar version (also gave up, thanks
Bert<br>
> > for suggestions there), I am testing Etoys in Sugar 0.84
installed<br>
> > on a stick right on the OLPC XO.<br>
><br>
> Yay!<br>
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:)<br>
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><br>
> > Over all Etoys on 0.84 look good, but I will have to do more
testing<br>
> > this weekend, so far I see:<br>
> ><br>
> > Sugar Interaction Problems<br>
> > ====================<br>
> ><br>
> > - If there are any Etoys activities in the Journal, the last
actvity<br>
> > is picked up when I start Etoys from the menu Circle. This
way, I<br>
> > can never see Etoys initial screen. I think this is what Bert<br>
> > mentioned. It is really annoying behavior, I assume it changed<br>
> > because of some changes in the Sugar container. This is
really the<br>
> > only item I would (personally) consider a bad bug /
behaviour. Can<br>
> > anyone make a rough comment what would need to be done to
change this?<br>
><br>
> Well, you can still open a fresh Etoys instance from the activities<br>
> screen by moving your mouse to the Etoys icon, do not click but
wait<br>
> until the little black label appears, do still not click but wait<br>
> until the label expands to a menu, and then click the "start" menu
item.<br>
><br>
> But this is rather awkward, indeed. The best idea so far was to
have a<br>
> "home" button that would take you to the launcher screen:<br>
><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9282">https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9282</a><br>
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yes, I agree this is a good addition to Sugar version after the changes.<br>
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><br>
> > - Etoys do not have Ctrl-Q / Ctrl-S for Quit / Save on the
top right<br>
> > Controls.<br>
><br>
> Not quite sure what you mean hear ...<br>
><br>
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I ment to say other Activities seems to have a Ctrl-Q shortcut for the
"Stop" button and Ctrl-S to "Keep".<br>
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> > - In shared mode, on the "network screen", Etoys is listed as<br>
> > "Gallery" (very minor)<br>
><br>
> Interesting ... it used to show "/usr/share/etoys/etoys.image":<br>
><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8251">https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8251</a><br>
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actually it now shows the etoys project name which is reasonable. So
maybe the bug can be closed. I looked at it when I worked with the
Gallery of projects.<br>
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><br>
> > - when not connected to the network, and switching to shared
mode, a<br>
> > DBus Error Debug Screen appears.<br>
><br>
> That should be handled nicer indeed.<br>
><br>
> > - There is no sound - but I think there is be no sound on the
OLPC<br>
> > running 0.84 from the stick<br>
><br>
> That might very well be this problem:<br>
><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328">http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328</a><br>
><br>
> If so, a workaround would be to switch to OSS in the /usr/bin/etoys<br>
> script (add -vm-sound-OSS to the VM options).<br>
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I tried both OSS and ALSA, but none worked. The sound driver (ac97) is
loaded but I have not heard any sound from any activity onnthe XO,
including the speach activity. So I speculate it is Sugar 0.84 related.
Documented in a bug just in case - <br>
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> > ><br>
> > Etoys Problems (very little Etoys specific testing so far):<br>
> > ============<br>
> ><br>
> > - sound does not work(Sugar/OLPC Hardware at fault?)<br>
><br>
> See above<br>
><br>
> > - video does not work(?Sugar/Hardware at fault?)<br>
><br>
> For GStreamer you need a new VM, too. I think that's the only video<br>
> option we have on Linux.<br>
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Where can I get the new VM .. I guess it is time to learn how to do
that...<br>
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> > ><br>
> - Bert -<br>
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Milan<br>
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