<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 03.04.2009, at 08:36, Milan Zimmermann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">ok, after fighting with virtualbox emulation (and eventually giving up), and incomplete SuSE Sugar version (also gave up, thanks Bert for suggestions there), I am testing Etoys in Sugar 0.84 installed on a stick right on the OLPC XO.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yay!</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">Over all Etoys on 0.84 look good, but I will have to do more testing this weekend, so far I see:<br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><br></div>Sugar Interaction Problems<br>====================<br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><br></div>- If there are any Etoys activities in the Journal, the last actvity is picked up when I start Etoys from the menu Circle. This way, I can never see Etoys initial screen. I think this is what Bert mentioned. It is really annoying behavior, I assume it changed because of some changes in the Sugar container. This is really the only item I would (personally) consider a bad bug / behaviour. Can anyone make a rough comment what would need to be done to change this?</div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, you can still open a fresh Etoys instance from the activities screen by moving your mouse to the Etoys icon, do not click but wait until the little black label appears, do still not click but wait until the label expands to a menu, and then click the "start" menu item.</div><div><br></div><div>But this is rather awkward, indeed. The best idea so far was to have a "home" button that would take you to the launcher screen:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9282">https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9282</a></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">- Etoys do not have Ctrl-Q / Ctrl-S for Quit / Save on the top right Controls.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not quite sure what you mean hear ...</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">- In shared mode, on the "network screen", Etoys is listed as "Gallery" (very minor)</div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Interesting ... it used to show "/<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; ">usr/share/etoys/etoys.image":</span></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8251">https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8251</a></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">- when not connected to the network, and switching to shared mode, a DBus Error Debug Screen appears.</div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That should be handled nicer indeed.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">- There is no sound - but I think there is be no sound on the OLPC running 0.84 from the stick</div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That might very well be this problem:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328">http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328</a></div><div><br></div><div>If so, a workaround would be to switch to OSS in the /usr/bin/etoys script (add <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px; ">-vm-sound-OSS to the VM options).</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 1px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 1px;"><br></span></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">Etoys Problems (very little Etoys specific testing so far):<br>============<br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><br></div>- sound does not work(Sugar/OLPC Hardware at fault?)</div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>See above</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'Luxi Sans'; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; ">- video does not work(?Sugar/Hardware at fault?)</div></span></blockquote><br></div><div>For GStreamer you need a new VM, too. I think that's the only video option we have on Linux.</div><div><br></div><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-family: Helvetica; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; ">- Bert -</span></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span> </div><br></body></html>