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Hello,<BR>
<BR>
There are a problem when you try to change the borderStyle of a Line (PolygonMorph) <BR>
(of course only a child could try it)<BR>
<BR>
Regards<BR>
<BR>
El mar, 05-02-2008 a las 04:34 -0500, etoys-request@lists.laptop.org escribió:
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Today's Topics:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 1. [FUN]Track color with camera (karl)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 2. Re: etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> (Takashi Yamamiya)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 3. Fwd: Increasing size of halos (Eduardo H Silva)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 4. Re: etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> (Korakurider)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 5. Re: etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> (Takashi Yamamiya)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 6. Re: [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your formatting</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> strings right (Korakurider)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 7. [QuickGuides]Griding and graph paper (Karl)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> 8. Re: [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your formatting</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> strings right (Korakurider)</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 1</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:31:14 +0100</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: karl <<A HREF="mailto:karl.ramberg@comhem.se">karl.ramberg@comhem.se</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: [Etoys] [FUN]Track color with camera</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: etoys <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@laptop.org">etoys@laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID: <<A HREF="mailto:47A77612.2020604@comhem.se">47A77612.2020604@comhem.se</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">I have used Wiebe Barons WebCamMorph and added some Etoy support to it. </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">It is possible to track a color with the camera and a ellipse on the </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">screen reflect the movement. I'll see if I can make it into a input </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">feature like the eyeToy to the Playstation2. Enjoy</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Karl</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 2</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:09:53 -0800</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: "Takashi Yamamiya" <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cc: Sayamindu Dasgupta <<A HREF="mailto:sayamindu@gmail.com">sayamindu@gmail.com</A>>, Etoys lists</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@lists.laptop.org">etoys@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:c57315d40802041509r1fa97315lbf45d482d1d9eca4@mail.gmail.com">c57315d40802041509r1fa97315lbf45d482d1d9eca4@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Hi Sayamindu,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Did you actually try python-Levenshtein? It made pot2po 20 times</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">faster on my test server.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">### With Levenshtein</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">$ time pot2po -t etoys/po/ja/etoys.po etoys/po/templates/etoys.pot ja.po</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">real 0m57.951s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">user 0m57.116s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">sys 0m0.308s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">### Without Levenshtein</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">$ time pot2po -t etoys/po/ja/etoys.po etoys/po/templates/etoys.pot ja.po</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">real 21m26.559s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">user 21m18.504s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">sys 0m0.388s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">### msgmerge</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">$ time msgmerge etoys/po/ja/etoys.po etoys/po/templates/etoys.pot > ja2.po</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">real 0m6.555s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">user 0m6.440s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">sys 0m0.032s</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cheers,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">- Takashi</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > Regarding POT merging, unfortunately I have not been able to this till</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > now - since it looks the PO files are too large for normal Pootle to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > handle (the merge command took 100% CPU on the dual Opteron server for</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > 20 minutes before I killed it). I have spoken to the developers of</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > Pootle, and they suggested some optimizations which can be done</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > (certain extra Python modules need to be installed in the server) to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > speed up the process. I'm trying to coordinate with the server admins</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > to do this. If nothing works out by the end of this week - I'll use</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > > msgmerge manually from the command line to update the PO files.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Maybe I have to learn python to help Pootle developers...</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> see the recent discussion on Pootle list Sayamindu mentioned,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> insight on this was explained.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=a1314bfe0801260957u762250e6idfcdc972147f4907%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=translate-pootle">http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=a1314bfe0801260957u762250e6idfcdc972147f4907%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=translate-pootle</A></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 3</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 04:05:22 +0000</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: "Eduardo H Silva" <<A HREF="mailto:hoboprimate@gmail.com">hoboprimate@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: [Etoys] Fwd: Increasing size of halos</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: etoys <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@laptop.org">etoys@laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:9b131c090802042005h1170f5baj6dff558643bfc413@mail.gmail.com">9b131c090802042005h1170f5baj6dff558643bfc413@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">sorry, I meant to reply to the list.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">---------- Forwarded message ----------</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: Eduardo H Silva <<A HREF="mailto:hoboprimate@gmail.com">hoboprimate@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: 05/02/2008 04:04</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] Increasing size of halos</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: Takashi Yamamiya <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Now I'm not so sure, because I understand what you mean when a etoy goes</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">near the screen edge, and I can also interact with the handles pretty well.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">This was one blog post, of one session of using Etoys on XO's. Could be that</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">the touchpad bugs and being the first time using it caused their troubles.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Eduardo</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">2008/2/4, Takashi Yamamiya <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>>:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Hi Eduardo,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Yes, we have. Actually current handle size is twice larger than original</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> etoys.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> The challenge is, if we enlarge the halo too much, it could be overlapping</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> each other especially when target morph is near the screen edge.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> So there is always trade off. How large do you suggest?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Cheers,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> - Takashi</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Eduardo H Silva wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Have you considered increasing the sizes of halos? I've read one blog</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > post in the web (sorry, I didn't keep the link) of a person initiating a</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > few kids on OLPC etoys (on a XO), by having them paint and drive a car,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > and the biggest problem they never resolved was missing the small halos.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > I would make them bigger targets. This would also improve the case when</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > a Etoy is small, and the small halos become next to each other, and</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > increase the likelihood of kids clicking on the wrong one.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 4</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:13:56 +0900</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: "Takashi Yamamiya" <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cc: Sayamindu Dasgupta <<A HREF="mailto:sayamindu@gmail.com">sayamindu@gmail.com</A>>, Etoys lists</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@lists.laptop.org">etoys@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:75eb0b0e0802042013n5d82d396t785bba0825de1c47@mail.gmail.com">75eb0b0e0802042013n5d82d396t785bba0825de1c47@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Feb 5, 2008 8:09 AM, Takashi Yamamiya <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Hi Sayamindu,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Did you actually try python-Levenshtein? It made pot2po 20 times</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> faster on my test server.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Ticket to request installation has been filled</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">see <A HREF="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6221">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6221</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">/Korakurider</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 5</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:24:32 -0800</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: "Takashi Yamamiya" <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] etoys & Pootle (Re: Swedish translations for</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> etoys)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cc: Sayamindu Dasgupta <<A HREF="mailto:sayamindu@gmail.com">sayamindu@gmail.com</A>>, Etoys lists</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@lists.laptop.org">etoys@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:c57315d40802042024o107d3087j35705358f48de564@mail.gmail.com">c57315d40802042024o107d3087j35705358f48de564@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Hi Korakurider,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Thank you for letting me know about that!</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cheers,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">- Takashi</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Feb 4, 2008 8:13 PM, Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> On Feb 5, 2008 8:09 AM, Takashi Yamamiya <<A HREF="mailto:tak@metatoys.org">tak@metatoys.org</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Hi Sayamindu,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Did you actually try python-Levenshtein? It made pot2po 20 times</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > faster on my test server.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Ticket to request installation has been filled</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> see <A HREF="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6221">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6221</A></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 6</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:28:29 +0900</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> formatting strings right</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: "localization mailing list" <<A HREF="mailto:localization@lists.laptop.org">localization@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cc: Etoys lists <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@lists.laptop.org">etoys@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:75eb0b0e0802042028i7c39c2bclf86a1b499b14d68e@mail.gmail.com">75eb0b0e0802042028i7c39c2bclf86a1b499b14d68e@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Hi all.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Feb 4, 2008 11:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <<A HREF="mailto:sayamindu@gmail.com">sayamindu@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Hi all,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> While going through the translations, I found that some of the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> translators are ignoring the formatting strings in the msgids. Eg,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> they are translating "%d Foo" as "Bar" (where Foo->Bar) in their</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> language.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> _Please, please, do not do this._ If you do this, the software will in</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> many cases crash while working in your language.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> To understand the use of these strings, and to know how to deal with</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> them, please do go through</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> <A HREF="http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specialcases">http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specialcases</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Thank you,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Sayamindu</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Etoys has similar special placeholder '{ number }'.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">For example {1} and {2} are the placeholders here:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> #: Balloon-MMFlash_Import,FlashFileReader>>processHeader</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> msgid ""</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "This file's version ({1}) is higher than \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "the currently supported version ({2}). \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "It may contain features that are not supported \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "and it may not display correctly.\n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "Do you want to continue?"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> msgstr ""</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "Die Version dieser Datei ({1}) ist neuer \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "als die derzeit unterst?tzte Version ({2}). \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "Einige Elemente werden m?glicherweise \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "nicht korrekt dargestellt.\n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> "Trotzdem laden?"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">I noticed in some language the placeholders are ignored or handled</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">wrongly, like this:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> msgstr "This file's version (1) is higher than \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Squeak doesn't crash by this, but can't show intended information to users.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Please don't do this, do place them appropriately.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Your help will be greatly appreciated.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">/Korakurider</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 7</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:03:20 +0100</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: Karl <<A HREF="mailto:karl.ramberg@comhem.se">karl.ramberg@comhem.se</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: [Etoys] [QuickGuides]Griding and graph paper</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: etoys <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@laptop.org">etoys@laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID: <<A HREF="mailto:47A82658.9000403@comhem.se">47A82658.9000403@comhem.se</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">In the guide to Playfield Grid Options there is not made a clear </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">distinction between griding and graph paper. The two concepts look like </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">each other but give very different behavior.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Karl</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message: 8</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:34:31 +0900</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">From: Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Subject: Re: [Etoys] [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> formatting strings right</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">To: "Yuan Chao" <<A HREF="mailto:yuanchao@gmail.com">yuanchao@gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cc: localization mailing list <<A HREF="mailto:localization@lists.laptop.org">localization@lists.laptop.org</A>>, Etoys</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> lists <<A HREF="mailto:etoys@lists.laptop.org">etoys@lists.laptop.org</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Message-ID:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000"> <<A HREF="mailto:75eb0b0e0802050134q57c83f12va1ab2a14507c7146@mail.gmail.com">75eb0b0e0802050134q57c83f12va1ab2a14507c7146@mail.gmail.com</A>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">(forwarding yours to lists)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Hi, Yuan</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Thanks for pointing out that !</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Then we may want to build special test tweaked for Etoys or some</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">"rule" people need to follow...</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Cheers,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">/Korakurider</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">On Feb 5, 2008 6:17 PM, Yuan Chao <<A HREF="mailto:yuanchao@gmail.com">yuanchao@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> On Feb 5, 2008 12:28 PM, Korakurider <<A HREF="mailto:korakurider@gmail.com">korakurider@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Hi all.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > On Feb 4, 2008 11:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <<A HREF="mailto:sayamindu@gmail.com">sayamindu@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > Hi all,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > While going through the translations, I found that some of the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > translators are ignoring the formatting strings in the msgids. Eg,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > they are translating "%d Foo" as "Bar" (where Foo->Bar) in their</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > language.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > _Please, please, do not do this._ If you do this, the software will in</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > many cases crash while working in your language.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > To understand the use of these strings, and to know how to deal with</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > them, please do go through</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > <A HREF="http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specialcases">http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specialcases</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > Thank you,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > > Sayamindu</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Etoys has similar special placeholder '{ number }'.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > For example {1} and {2} are the placeholders here:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > #: Balloon-MMFlash_Import,FlashFileReader>>processHeader</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > msgid ""</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "This file's version ({1}) is higher than \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "the currently supported version ({2}). \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "It may contain features that are not supported \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "and it may not display correctly.\n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "Do you want to continue?"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > msgstr ""</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "Die Version dieser Datei ({1}) ist neuer \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "als die derzeit unterst?tzte Version ({2}). \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "Einige Elemente werden m?glicherweise \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "nicht korrekt dargestellt.\n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "Trotzdem laden?"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > I noticed in some language the placeholders are ignored or handled</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > wrongly, like this:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > msgstr "This file's version (1) is higher than \n"</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Squeak doesn't crash by this, but can't show intended information to users.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Please don't do this, do place them appropriately.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> I noticed that the Pootle po test may think the translations with</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> correct formatting as wrong ones because of definition of brackets</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> difference in different locale. People may need to be careful on this.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Best regards,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Yuan Chao</FONT>
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