[Etoys] What now ?

karl ramberg karlramberg at gmail.com
Sat Jan 10 12:54:20 EST 2009

Thanks guys for the feedback.

I'll go on with the Journal morph at my slow pace for now. And I think
it can be some potable aspects of it as well, I been thinking of
making a file reference tile so media items can be loaded when told

As for the portability issue, I agree with you Hilaire, platform
specific code tend to draw focus from what I think is fun and

 The Sugar activity based approach  can feel a little restrictive and
would maybe not be my preferred first choice. Then again many feel
lost in the multiple possibilities and unrestictive environment of

And Bert got me really curious mentioning a upcoming announcement ...


On 1/10/09, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire at ofset.org> wrote:
> 2009/1/10 Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>:
>> On 10.01.2009, at 14:18, Karl Ramberg wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> hearing the news that much of the Sugar dev team is fired I now wonder
>>> if there is any point in working on Sugar integration anymore. I have
>>> started on a JournalMorph where one could obtain pictures and sounds
>>> etc. from the Journal to link in or import into a project, but now I
>>> have slight doubts about if there is any use for such a thing ?
>>> Do you guys have any thoughts on the future ?
>> OLPC is *not* abandoning Sugar. On the contrary, Sugar is becoming
>> available not only on the XO but on more Linux distributions, too.
> I don't buy on that think Sugar on Linux.
> Not only to develop educative software for linux you have to be very
> motivated (tiny user base), and I know that for years of personal
> involvement as a developer to promote linux for education, but then
> you will still have to be even more motivited to port to Sugar because
> you will have to adapt your software for an even smaller user base in
> linux, and for benefice not obvious for me, as an educator. From a
> developer point of view it looks to me as fragmentation and not
> exciting at all.
> I prefer the very comforable Smalltalk based world to write
> application I know can communicate easily with each other.
> Don´t forget that if you want developer to buy and invest on it, they
> need something back in return. Developers do not grow like mushroom. A
> few years ago, I personally invest resources on Smalltalk because I
> saw great possibilities of innovation, this is what I got back in
> return.
> May be Etoys was not capable to sell itself as this underneath thing
> to develop on top of it educative activities. See for example how
> ungood is the DrGeo shipment for XO, an interactive artifact
> developped on Smalltalk.
> Karl, I think your contribution for kids around the world could be
> very valuable if you could develop interactive artifacts as the ones I
> mentioned earlier
> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire/index.php?post/2008/05/01/Operational-thinking
> Whatever the host, whatever the UI, they can use it, and it is what
> matter first.
> Hilaire
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