[Etoys] olpc vs classic flaps

[Timothy Falconer]

Call me crazy, but I *like* the OLPC toolbar at the top.   Can't tell  
you the number of times I had to remind people to click "Navigator"  
to do something ... they're used to toolbars.

I'm sure this has been thought of, but what about having the OLPC  
black toolbar on both XO and non-XO versions, with the following icons:

XO (as now)
---
1. help
2. previous
3. paint
4. supplies
5. undo
6. languages
7. mesh
..
8. save project
9. quit


Non-XO (* are added from now)
---
1. help
2. previous
3. paint
4. supplies
5. undo
6. languages
7. scaling
..
8. new project *
9. load project * (same as "find")
10. save project
11. publish *
12. quit


Only thing left out is volume.  Using the same toolbar has the  
benefit of consistency with OLPC, which will presumably have lots of  
documentation, videos, etc.  (I for one don't want to make two sets  
of videos)

If people are worried about screen real-estate, make a "toolbar" flap  
on it for non-XO, and default to having the toolbar be open (for  
newcomers).   Screen hungry types can can click the flap to gain the  
space back.

Tim

On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:26 , Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>
>>   Hi, Tim,
>>
>>> Okay, I understand the XO Journal thing better (though I might not
>>> personally agree with it :)
>>
>>   Current implementation is missing some important features and hard
>> to use.  The fundamental idea can be great, I think.  (Alan mentioned
>> that Engelbert's NLS had the idea, too.)  Hierarachical file  
>> system is
>> some implementation detail to be hidden and being able to keep all
>> versions (which is missing from current Journal) would be great.
>>
>>> This still begs the question ... how does the non-XO world open a
>>> project.   Dragging and dropping from the file system means that
>>> people need to know how to find their files :)
>>
>>> Is it possible to show a "load" menu icon when the image is being  
>>> run
>>> on a non-XO?
>>
>>   Yes, this is the idea.  on a non-XO environment, we will show
>> conventional file dialog.  If you trace back the code for a few  
>> month,
>> you'll see that we used to show "conventional" (though redesigned)
>> file dialog.
>
> As I wrote previously, use the classic navigator outside OLPC.
>
> Press Alt-Shift-W to bring up the world menu (I really think we
> should not hide this as much). Pin it down using the top-right button
> for further use.
>
> Select "flaps..." - "destroy all shared flaps", then "install classic
> etoy flaps".
>
> - Bert -
>
>
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