[Etoys] First use of OLPC feedback (bugs, suggestions, questions)

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Wed Nov 14 11:47:06 EST 2007

>   It wasn't like that at all, Stef.  One of the biggest reasons why we
> ended up with a 3.8-based image was because the old Squeakland image
> was based on 3.8.  In the other words, we didn't pick mainstream 3.8
> image over 3.9.  We picked the Squeakland image as the basis.
>   And why?  Because .pr files created in the Squeakland image are not
> compatible with the 3.9 image.  The class shape change introduced by
> Traits; you cannot load them into 3.9-based image.  That was a big
> no-no.

Ok I understand. I do not remember if this is really the shape  
changes that
break projects I will ask marcus.

>   We, the whole Squeak community, weren't too careful about the
> implication of Traits and existing contents when Traits was being
> integrated to the mainstream image.  This was really unfortunate, but
> we couldn't simply ignore the existing contents.
>   And, to be honest, having a real control on the entire system was
> important as development has to be done quickly.  Just sticking with
> an image we understand was another motivation.  (At the risk of losing
> the "improvements after 3.9, that is true.)

Yes but now we lose mutual benefit.

>   And, like Bert wrote (quoted below), the primary concern is always
> to provide a better Etoys experience.

I was also thinking about older kids  :)
Thanks for answering because this is the kind of answer I can understand
I still hope to find some times to harvest the changes made in olpc  
for squeak 3.11 or after

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