Hi James,<div><br></div><div>Really appreciate that you felt it right to write this mail. I am all for it. Anyway, why should you think that I wish you did not reply? And to support your thought, yes, I will second your thought that a regular and helpful contributor should be helped.<br>
<br>>> I am surprised that you made public a private mail ..</div><div><br></div><div>I explained the reason already but I will repeat it. The intention was not to make it public but to bring the question back to the list; if it had been otherwise, I would have "forwarded" the email to the list. The question was important because it will be important to explain the solution and the reasons to end-users satisfactorily.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jv</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:51 AM, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">G'day Jv,<br>
<br>
I will reply to this e-mail regardless of your wish that I not,<br>
because I feel I should defend someone who is a regular and helpful<br>
contributor.<br>
<br>
I think you have misinterpreted the private mail from Mikus. I do not<br>
see any spiteful tone or offensive behaviour. He is trying to<br>
understand by asking questions and using emphasis.<br>
<br>
It is helpful to use words that have common meanings, and your mail,<br>
Jv, was harder to understand than others, because the meanings you<br>
used were not common. I avoided answering it because I didn't<br>
understand. It is good that someone tried to understand, even if I<br>
didn't.<br>
<br>
I am surprised that you made public a private mail ... this is not<br>
something I would be comfortable doing, but I acknowledge you felt<br>
hurt.<br>
<br>
I ask that you please re-read Mikus mail with greater care, starting<br>
with the assumption that Mikus is trying to communicate despite the<br>
apparent barrier of word meanings.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 07:42:27PM +0530, RJV wrote:<br>
> Mikus, I am sorry, too, that you found it SO important to answer an email that<br>
> is not to your wavelength. Btw, your email looks like human spam to me so<br>
> marking your email id for spam and is so offensive in tone that I have a good<br>
> mind to withdraw from this list. Did I forget to mention that I did not read<br>
> more than three lines of your enail.<br>
><br>
> Do not reply to this email.<br>
><br>
> For the rest in this list, this email from Mikus is far too spiteful in tone<br>
> for anyone to ignore. Will somebody care to explain unless of course if the<br>
> email is okay as per the question.<br>
><br>
</div><div><div class="h5">> Thanks for any coherent reply.<br>
><br>
> Jv<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <<a href="mailto:mikus@bga.com">mikus@bga.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 10/07/2012 10:44 PM, RJV wrote:<br>
><br>
> why I posted this is to know whether one<br>
> reflashes all the time or is there a more graceful way of getting XO<br>
> back<br>
> on Sugar through Linux?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm sorry - you and I are on completely different wavelengths.<br>
><br>
> You use phrases that mean something to you, but have NO significance<br>
> whatsoever to me. For instance "back on Sugar through Linux":<br>
><br>
> If one is in Sugar, there is the capability to get into GNOME by doing:<br>
> left-click_on_XO-image -> My Settings -> Switch desktop -> Switch to Gnome<br>
> -> Restart now ... and one is presented with the GNOME desktop. The<br>
> principal use I myself see in Gnome is if the user wants to manage multiple<br>
> windows, or is uncomfortable with Sugar-style full screen.<br>
><br>
> I myself do NOT use GNOME if I can help it -- I find I can do almost<br>
> everything I need from the 'Terminal Activity' screen in Sugar.<br>
> [By the way, if you do not want the XO to suspend itself, you can go to My<br>
> Settings -> Power, and unmark all the checkboxes in that panel.].<br>
><br>
> If one is in the GNOME environment, there is the capability to get into<br>
> Sugar by doing: Applications -> System Tools -> Switch to Sugar -> OK ...<br>
> and one is presented with the Sugar Home View screen.<br>
><br>
><br>
> IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR CLARITY THE WAY YOU ARE USING THE WORD 'LINUX'.<br>
><br>
> The XO runs Linux all the time, whether that XO happens to be in the Sugar<br>
> environment or happens to be in the GNOME environment. Please use the word<br>
> 'Linux' only when you mean a desktop system (or equivalent) running a Linux<br>
> distribution (such as Ubuntu). Please use the word 'Windows' when you mean<br>
> a desktop system running Windows. Please use the word 'Sugar' only when<br>
> you mean an XO running in an Sugar environment. Please use the term<br>
> 'Sugar-on-non_XO' when you mean Sugar running on any kind of hardware other<br>
> than an XO. Please use the word 'GNOME' when you mean an XO running in an<br>
> 'GNOME' environment. Please use the term 'GNOME-on-non_XO' when you mean<br>
> GNOME running on any kind of hardware other than an XO.<br>
><br>
><br>
> IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR CLARITY THE WAY YOU ARE USING THE WORD 'FLASH'.<br>
><br>
> In the context of an XO: Please use the word 'flash' when you mean using<br>
> the OFW 'flash' command to replace the .rom firmware inside an XO. Please<br>
> use the term 'install the build' when you mean the process of replacing (or<br>
> putting) the operating system software inside an XO. Please avoid the word<br>
> 'reflash' - it's sloppy; instead please use the word 'reinstall' and<br>
> mention what it is you are reinstalling (e.g., 'reinstall the build' if you<br>
> mean replacing the operating system in the XO by a "virgin" copy).<br>
><br>
><br>
> In the context of 'reinstalling' -- there is no NEED to "reinstall" the<br>
> operating system in the XO unless the one you already have is corrupted (or<br>
> you have obtained access to a better/newer version).<br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div><div class="im">> DID I FORGET WHICH OS BUILD YOU HAVE INSTALLED?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I need to run a 3G (Airtel - Indian telecom provider) and may need<br>
> some help on this.<br>
><br>
><br>
</div><div class="im">> Given the kind of questions you are asking, I would __STRONGLY ADVISE__ you<br>
> NOT to try using an XO for this purpose:<br>
><br>
> The only way an XO can talk directly to 3G is with a "dongle". But the<br>
> "dongle" will need software. [You can only _hope_ that wvdial.rpm is the<br>
> only significant item of software you would need to pick up yourself.]<br>
> That software will almost certainly require 'dependencies' to be installed<br>
> in the operating system - will they be available? And will all the needed<br>
> software run on an XO? Is the wvdial.rpm that you downloaded even meant<br>
> for the ARM architecture? [Remember that (non-Android) ARM-CPU operating<br>
> systems have only recently arrived for general distribution.]<br>
><br>
> There may also be difficulties tying in the Network Management in an XO<br>
> with a connection through 3G. [I myself am currently using an ethernet<br>
> (wired) path to the internet from my XO-1.75 - but that takes advantage of<br>
> me having four years of experience using ethernet with XOs - others might<br>
> encounter hurdles.]<br>
><br>
> In any case, I myself am not an user of 3G (i.e., cellular data). So I do<br>
> not expect to be able to help you. [I do have an Android tablet - and you<br>
> have no idea of how many people have posted to its support forum about<br>
> problems setting up good 3G service.]<br>
><br>
><br>
</div>> mikus<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb">><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Ravichandran Jv<br>
> <a href="http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com</a><br>
<br>
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</div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">James Cameron<br>
<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Regards,<br><br>Ravichandran Jv<br><a href="http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com">http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com</a><br>
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