I too will test this weekend. Silly q: should I test both sugar and gnome, or just sugar?<br><br>KG<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Paul Fox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pgf@laptop.org">pgf@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">bert wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 24.11.2011, at 16:09, Paul Fox wrote:<br>
><br>
> > bert wrote:<br>
> >> Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week.<br>
> So<br>
> >> I took the 1.75 outside.<br>
> >><br>
> >> IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all.<br>
> >> Someone suggested turning it back on quicker, I tried that (replaced<br>
> >> brightness_ramp with set_brightness), but that was much less nice.<br>
> >><br>
> >> As I said previously I like the new mono toggle using the brightness keys<br>
> with<br>
> >> ctrl.<br>
> >><br>
> >> But I also like the switch to mono when turning the brightness down<br>
> manually.<br>
> >> Much more convenient (and way more discoverable) than having to remember the<br>
> >> ctrl-modifier. So I added those two lines back just as they were before, and<br>
> it<br>
> >> works fine. I would find it a foolish consistency to drop this just because<br>
> >> automatic switch-off doesn't do it.<br>
> ><br>
> > okay, sold.<br>
> ><br>
> > i did have a very brief chance to play with the laptop in the sun two<br>
> > days ago, and after trying more varied types of content, i better<br>
> > appreciate the value of mono mode. it's sunny here today, so i hope<br>
> > to get to play with it some more myself.<br>
> ><br>
> > i've implemented what a couple of people suggested for brightness key<br>
> > behavior:<br>
><br>
> (haven't seen that yet in your git repo)<br>
<br>
</div></div>not pushed yet.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> > - reducing brightness manually to level 0 remains colored (unlike<br>
> > past releases, where level 0 also implied mono).<br>
> ><br>
> > - hitting "brightness down" one more time when at level 0 will<br>
> > switch to mono. users that use auto-repeat to get there probably<br>
> > won't see a difference.<br>
><br>
> Not needed, see below.<br>
><br>
> > - alt-brightness-down goes to level-0 in mono mode, as it always did.<br>
> > i think it's a coin-toss whether it should go to level-0 in mono or<br>
> > level-0 in color. (thoughts?)<br>
><br>
> Mono.<br>
<br>
</div>good.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> > - "brightness up" from level 0 (whether from the color or mono<br>
> > version of level 0) will always go to level 1, and restore color.<br>
> ><br>
> > - sunlight-driven auto-turnoff will go all the way to 0, but won't<br>
> > invoke mono mode.<br>
> ><br>
> > bert, i think you approved of the idea of this scheme on irc, please let<br>
> > me know if you still think so.<br>
> ><br>
> > paul<br>
><br>
><br>
> I now think having two zero-brightness settings (crisp / blurred)<br>
> does not make sense for general usage. +1 to what Gary wrote in<br>
> his followup.<br>
><br>
> For those who want to play with that we have ctrl-brightness-down/up to toggle<br>
> blurryness ;)<br>
><br>
> So I would rather not add that extra step "below 0".<br>
<br>
</div>okay, i'm fine with that -- i was on the fence. but i think you and<br>
gary are saying two slightly different things.<br>
<br>
you're saying that the manual keypresses shouldn't have an intermediate<br>
"level 0 in color" step. gary's saying that auto-turnoff should go<br>
to level 0 in mono. i'm happy to agree with you. i don't think i'm<br>
ready to agree with gary.<br>
<br>
reason for not agreeing with gary: the switch from color to mono and<br>
back is very noticeable when you're in bright sunlight. the<br>
auto-turnoff should be designed to be as transparent to the user as<br>
possible. there will be times when the auto-turnoff won't do quite<br>
the right thing -- perhaps your hands are shading the sensor<br>
momentarily, or perhaps your laptop was sleeping when you came<br>
outside, and the auto-turnoff won't take effect until your first<br>
keystroke wakes it up. in those cases i think the auto-turnoff should<br>
stay in color mode.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
paul<br>
<br>
><br>
> - Bert -<br>
><br>
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