I was writing a detailed reply, but Martin beat me to the Send button.<br><br>Just to clarify a few points (which I think you may have been asking):<br><br><ul><li>The two main organizations
within OLPC each have a test/QA engineer helping them. James Cameron tends to
focus more on the low-level hardware; I tend to focus more on the
higher-level software. Beyond that there is a <a href="mailto:testing@lists.laptop.org">testing@lists.laptop.org</a> mailing list,
and a volunteer test group in New Zealand as well as other groups/individuals
that casually test and provide feedback as well.<br>
<br>When possible, we do try to support upstream test efforts, and file bugs upstream when appropriate. But I do not currently work on testing Sugar for non-related distributions like Ubuntu, although I do have one 10.04 LTS system with Sugar running in it.<br>
<br>
<br></li><li>If you are looking for a formal test case management
system which can be used to store test cases, view things not yet done, and assign tasks, OLPC currently does not have one. Various groups & people
have proposed setting up these for OLPC, and some have
used them amongst themselves. There is a crude TCMS within OLPC's wiki
that can log results and show you that log, but I tend to avoid it due
to its habit of caching stale results and personal frustration.<br>
<br>One recent idea has been to try Fedora's Nitrate TCMS when that goes
online, and ask them to support OLPC builds for test case plans in
addition to Fedora versions. But a preview version of that system is
not available yet.<br>
<br>
<br></li><li>We do have a large number of test cases and a crude system
within the Wiki, but they mostly have not been updated since 2008. But I
have tagged test cases in this system that I feel are still relevant
for 11.2.x, and added a few new ones.<br>
<br>In addition to these tests I keep a personal spreadsheet of general focus categories (clean start/stop, save/restore, collaboration, etc.) I would like to test with each
activity as well as for the base system, and note with which build/activity/platform I last ran that task. It's not perfect, but it saves me writing test cases for 40+ activities that only vary slightly in many ways.<br>
<br><br></li><li>There is a "1 hour" build verification/smoke test for 11.2.0 at <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Smoke_test/11.2.x/1_hour_smoke_test" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Smoke_test/11.2.x/1_hour_smoke_test</a>
. It is getting somewhat lengthy though since I was asked to include
verification of all high-priority activities that kids commonly use.<br>
<br><br></li><li>For 11.2.0, I have gone through every activity on the
XO-1 and XO-1.5 and tested basic single-user functionally for all of
them that worked at the time. I am hoping that the collaboration
stack gets reasonably stable soon so that multi-user functionality can
be tested as well.<br>
<br>The other main area I would like to check this time around is mime types. Some activities tend to claim they can handle things like
audio files, but are not well equipped to handle them if actually given
to open, as they were only expecting to embed them into something else,
etc. There may also be some activities which should claim functionality that they don't, and some defaults applications for mime types that are undefined.<br>
<br><br></li><li>In general though I agree we need a better way to split the load if
other formal test volunteers are available. In addition to 11.2.0, I am
often asked to look at the XO-1.75, new potential motherboard or
firmware revisions before they are mass produced, or anything
interesting thing of the moment (currently "How much of a
speedup and/or RAM benefit do we really get by prelinking?").<br><br>I would be open to hearing any ideas you may have as well.<br>
</li></ul><br>---<br>SJG<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Martin Langhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.langhoff@gmail.com">martin.langhoff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Edward Cherlin <<a href="mailto:echerlin@gmail.com">echerlin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> At the end of your e-mail, you wrote<br>
>> Testing is much appreciated.<br>
> It sounds as if there is no formal testing process for Sugar on XOs.<br>
<br>
</div>Hi Ed - For Sugar on XO, we definitely have Sam Greenfeld (QA) and<br>
Gonzalo Odiard (lead Activity developer) doing a very good job of it.<br>
That's why we have the activities in very good shape (try one of our<br>
recent devel builds), and there's also lots of bugs filed, describing<br>
many issues in good detail.<br>
<br>
If you can help with testing, and want to coordinate to avoid<br>
duplicating work and picking interesting areas to focus on -<br>
coordinate with Sam.<br>
<br>
Other distros -- well, are up to other distros.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Where is the process from your point of view?<br>
<br>
</div>Until now we've been grabing latest activity from ASLO. Now Daniel has<br>
switched to 'freeze' the activity versions. Sam will go through them<br>
once more, and bugs in activities will enter our triage selection. The<br>
activity maintainers and Gonzalo will work on fixing priority bugs,<br>
and a new version of the affected activities will be released which<br>
will be hand-picked to be updated in our builds.<br>
<br>
That's a short summary - I probably forgot some step.<br>
<br>
The even shorter and to the point version is: file some bugs, post<br>
some patches :-)<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
m<br>
<br>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 23:04, Chris Leonard <<a href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Forwarding to L10n list<br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> From: Daniel Drake <<a href="mailto:dsd@laptop.org">dsd@laptop.org</a>><br>
>> Date: Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM<br>
>> Subject: Updated 11.2.0 schedule<br>
>> To: OLPC Devel <<a href="mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org">devel@lists.laptop.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Due to various travel arrangements and movement on the XO-1.75 front,<br>
>> we have delayed the 11.2.0 release by a few weeks from its original<br>
>> plan (which would have already had us in feature freeze).<br>
>><br>
>> We also have some stability concerns: the current development images<br>
>> have various regressions (mostly on the Sugar and activities side)<br>
>> compared to our previous stable release, and we may not be able to fix<br>
>> all of these in time for the release. The release notes will be as<br>
>> painfully true as needed in pointing out these issues. If the issues<br>
>> remain serious then deployments may wish to simply consider it as a<br>
>> preview for the release that follows, where we'll aim to improve on<br>
>> 11.2.0.<br>
>><br>
>> The new schedule is:<br>
>><br>
>> Bug-fixes only (feature freeze): May 23rd<br>
>> From this point onwards, only bugfixes are accepted, and the rate of<br>
>> change will be low<br>
>><br>
>> Regression fixes only: June 20th<br>
>> From this point onwards, only regression fixes are accepted and the<br>
>> rate of change will hopefully be very low<br>
>><br>
>> Release: July 18th<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Note that this gives about 1 week from today for any final feature<br>
>> work to be landed.<br>
>><br>
>> Wiki updated:<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0/Release_plan" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0/Release_plan</a><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0</a><br>
>><br>
>> Here is some further info about how the bug-fixing and<br>
>> regression-fixing stages will work:<br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process/Stabilization" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process/Stabilization</a><br>
>><br>
>> Testing is much appreciated.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Daniel<br>
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