<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>(I'm copying olpc-devel because this is more of a packaging issue than an etoys specific one)</div><div><br></div><div>On 11.10.2010, at 07:03, Carlos Rabassa wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To Squeakland:<div><br></div><div>Translation of portions referring to Squeakland / Etoys of a message from Paolo Benini, posted in OLPC-Sur a very active forum with many users in Latin America:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, <a href="mailto:nanonano@mediagala.com">nanonano@mediagala.com</a> [Paolo Benini] wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Luis Galindo wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>We should be able to include video (MPG) and audio (MP3).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>[and Paolo replies]</div><div>As far as MP3s and Etoys, I understand the first version that arrived in Uruguay was able to reproduce the MP3s.</div><div><br></div><div>Later on, a new version of Etoys didn´t have this option [The mp3 format is not free software].</div><div><br></div><div>But later on they put again in the XOs an Etoys that does reproduce MP3.</div><div><br></div><div>---------------</div><div><br></div><div>Talking of Etoys 4:</div><div><br></div><div>Version 4 was released a year ago.</div><div><br></div><div>The version for the XO has not been published yet.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is not true. It has been published a year ago as well, as part of Sugar 0.88.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>(There are versions for Linux, Macintosh and Windows).</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I already know, a few will think: "this email list is not Squeakland´s. Ask them."</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But I already did ask and received no response.</div><div><br></div><div>The Etoys version that may be downloaded from Sugarlabs is v113, which corresponds to Etoys 3.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No. The activity version has little to do with the Etoys version. Whatever Etoys is installed in your operating system will be used by the Etoys activity. The activity you download from the Sugarlabs Activities site is only a launcher for the actual Etoys.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>We already have. at RAP-CEIBAL, several translated [to Spanish] tutorial videos for Etoys 4.</div><div><br></div><div>But we have not been able to publish them yet because so far, Etoys 4 still works only with Windows, Mac and Linux but not in the XOs.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Both Etoys 4 and Etoys 4.1 work fine on the XO. But the "activity version" is not the same as the "etoys version". Etoys is part of Sugar itself, it is only presented as an activity. If you read the Etoys activity download page carefully, it even says so ;)</div><div><br></div><div>If you install a new version of Sugar, you will get a new Etoys. For example, Sugar 0.90 includes Etoys 4.1.</div><div><br></div><div>You could also upgrade Etoys separately from Sugar. Etoys 4.1 works on all Sugar versions since 0.82. But this is not just a simple activity download, so we do not advice students to do that on their own.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div>Note from the translator:</div><div><br></div><div>A few moments ago we told Paolo and all others in OLPC-Sur, the latest version of Etoys is Etoys 4.1 released less than one month ago and available at</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://squeakland.org/download/">http://squeakland.org/download/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have a question of my own:</div><div><br></div><div>I have downloaded from that page Etoys-To-Go.</div><div><br></div><div>I found it to work perfectly in Macintosh and Windows computers, without doing any installation.</div><div><br></div><div>It allows the user to download to a pendrive and use Etoys 4.1 wihtout any installation process in any computer, start working, save work in progress and finish the work in another computer with a different operating system.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My question:</div><div><br></div><div>Will it work this same way in a XO??</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You could plug it in and run from the Terminal command line. However, then you would not be able to save to the Journal, because Etoys would run as regular Linux application, not as Sugar activity. </div><div><br></div><div>Sugar cannot use an activity that is on a pendrive, it can only install it by copying to the XO. But installing Etoys 4.1 as is would take up more than 90 MB of additional space, which is not a good idea on the small space the XO has.</div><div><br></div><div>So IMHO the only good way to get Etoys 4.1 onto the XOs in Uruguay would be if someone packaged it by leaving out the non-needed translations to get the package size down, and then putting it into a new operating system image. This then should take about the same space as Etoys 4 which only had the English content.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">- Bert -</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><br></span></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Carlos Rabassa</span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div>Volunteer</div><div>Plan Ceibal Support Network</div><div>Montevideo, Uruguay</div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:59 AM, <a href="mailto:nanonano@mediagala.com">nanonano@mediagala.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<i><small>>Luis Galindo wrote:<br>
>Debeíamos poder incluir video (MPG) y audio (MP3) - <br>
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Acerca de los MP3 y el etoys: según tengo entendido, en la primera
versión que llegó a Uruguay, el Etoys reproducía los MP3, pero luego en
una versión subsiguiente de Etoys se anuló esa opción (el formato mp3
no es software libre), y pero luego más tarde en Uruguay le pusieron a
las xo nuevamente un Etoys que sí reproce MP3.<br>
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HAblando de Etoys 4:<br>
Desde hace un año que <a href="http://www.squeakland.org/download/">salió
la nueva versión 4</a> y no está publicada la versión para las XO.
(está la versión para linux, mac y windows).<br>
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Sí, ya sé que muchos pensarán: "<i>ésta lista no es de squeakland,
preguntale a ellos</i>". pero es que ya les pregunté y no obtuve
respuesta.<br>
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La versión de Etoys que <a href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4030">se puede
bajar desde Sugarlabs es la v113</a>, que corresponde al Etoys 3.<br>
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En el RAP-CEIBAL tenemos ya traducidos varios videos tutoriales sobre
el ETOYS 4, pero no los hemos podido publicar todavía porque el ETOYS 4
por ahora funciona solamente en Windows, MAc y Linux, pero no en las XO.<br>
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Otro tema diferente: en la página de sugarlabs, sería reomendable que
sea lo más compatible posible con el Sugar. Cuando busco una actividad
, al hacer click en el link, en vez de saltar a otra pagina se abre una
nueva "ventana"..... pero se dá el caso que en el SUgar no fue pensado
para usar "ventanas", se me abre una ventana que dice "rainbow
daemon". Dicha ventana funciona, pero no tengo barrá de menúes, no
puedo hacer zoom y tampoco tengo la barra de navegación.<br>
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¿no sería mucho más simple no abrir una nueva ventana cuando hacemos un
click en sugarlabs,org?<br>
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Busqué en dicha página algun link hacia el webmaster de dicha página,
para plantearle el tema, pero luego de varios minutos de búsqueda no
encontré nada. HAy solamente referencias a personas que se ocupan del
Sugar, pero no encontré donde está el responsable de la pagina web,
para plantearle ese problema.<br>
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¿alguien sabe cual es el link para enviarle un mensaje al web,aster de
la pagina de <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/">sugarlabs.org</a>?<br>
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Paolo Benini<br>
Montevideo<br>
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