<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">forgive an honest question that may spark a philosophical debate:</span></font></span></font></div><div><br></div><div>Since the Linux kernel and Fedora are both licensed under GPL.2, how would this violate an unrelated license? (which reading, it may or may not...)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>*****</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:23:55 -0400<br>From:
Martin Langhoff <<a ymailto="mailto:martin.langhoff@gmail.com" href="mailto:martin.langhoff@gmail.com">martin.langhoff@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Uruguay violates GPL by deleting root on OLPCs<br>To: John Gilmore <<a ymailto="mailto:gnu@toad.com" href="mailto:gnu@toad.com">gnu@toad.com</a>><br>Cc: OLPC Devel <<a ymailto="mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org" href="mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org">devel@lists.laptop.org</a>>, Sugar Devel<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, Bernie Innocenti<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:moglen@softwarefreedom.org" href="mailto:moglen@softwarefreedom.org">moglen@softwarefreedom.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a
ymailto="mailto:AANLkTilDUwmZykcr2B8t2fsYp4HsH_halFS11Qrg-BSI@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:AANLkTilDUwmZykcr2B8t2fsYp4HsH_halFS11Qrg-BSI@mail.gmail.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_18">AANLkTilDUwmZykcr2B8t2fsYp4HsH_halFS11Qrg-BSI@mail.gmail.com</span></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_19">On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM</span>, <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_20">John Gilmore</span> <<a ymailto="mailto:gnu@toad.com" href="mailto:gnu@toad.com">gnu@toad.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The laptops refuse to boot a "developer's version of <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_21">Linux</span>". ?They<br>> require a signed kernel and initrd. ?Some people call this DRM;<br>> it's definitely "TiVoization" (check <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_22">Wikipedia</span> if you don't know the term).<br><br>I think it is a very
well understood concept around here.<br><br>And it is also well understood that not all developers complain about<br><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1278540617_23">TiVo</span>. Major projects are holding to GPLv2.<br><br>> As Eben explained, the GPLv3 doesn't require root, it just requires<br>> that you be provided all the info you need to install modified<br>> software of your choice, in the environment in which the binaries were<br>> shipped. ?"su" is fine, if documented, and it is.<br><br>And I think PATH="~/bin/:$PATH" is fine too :-)<br><br>> PS: Get a clue, folks. ?This is bigger than OLPC.<br><br>I understand and value that 'macro' fight, but OLPC, and OLPC<br>deployments are not the enemy.<br><br>You also need to know that OLPC is about a lot more than just<br>software. We are a very big tent, and we work in some very hard<br>places. Think of explaining this to teachers, or to the parents of<br>children.<br><br>I can only suggest
getting closer to a large real life deployment (not<br>just Uruguay) to get a sense of the challenges we face on the ground<br>in the work we do... and to get a sense of what our who our users<br>actually are.<br><br>> locks down the hardware to disallow freedom,<br><br>Let's leave hyperbole for another day.<br><br>It is a very practical concern -- across the varied world of our<br>deployments *theft* is a very real concern.<br><br>My personal experience in a very cottoned middle-class environment in<br>latam is that by age 15 everyone in my age group had had something<br>stolen in one way or another -- mostly in relatively low-key muggings.<br><br>I will be optimistic and hope that 1% of the kids needs root at some point.<br><br>Most places I go to in latam is about the same -- with of course some<br>exceptions in both directions.<br><br>cheers,<br><br><br>m<br>-- <br><a ymailto="mailto:martin.langhoff@gmail.com"
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