<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Sameer Verma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Mitch Bradley <<a href="mailto:wmb@laptop.org">wmb@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Carlos Nazareno <<a href="mailto:object404@gmail.com">object404@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> > AMD sees no Geode chip replacement in sight<br>
>> > AMD on Monday said it has no replacement for the aging Geode low-power<br>
>> > chips that are used in netbooks and set-top boxes.<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/274414/amd_sees_no_geode_chip_replacement_sight" target="_blank">http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/274414/amd_sees_no_geode_chip_replacement_sight</a><br>
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> The cost of developing and supporting a processor family is staggering.<br>
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> AMD bought the Geode business from another company. Often, when a company buys a business unit, that unit withers on the vine. The "new kids on the block" have a difficult time establishing a strong place within the established "pecking order", so in the competition for resources, the new group often comes up short. When there is an economic downturn, the new group is often the first to go.<br>
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> AMD barely has the resources to maintain a competitive stance in the part of the market that has traditionally been their core, especially now that the economy is bad.<br>
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> I'm sure that AMD would be very happy if they had enough money to go after the low power market, but they just don't.<br>
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Somebody on Slashdot (yeah!) has a good write-up pointing to the fact<br>
that AMD isn't halting production. Its just not going to develop Geode<br>
further. <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1105799&cid=26623857" target="_blank">http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1105799&cid=26623857</a><br>
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>From the comment:<br>
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AMD is NOT halting production of the Geode. They are not leaving the<br>
market (RTFM!). They have decided that it serves it's niche AS IS and<br>
will be kept AS IS. That's a very different statement. They're saying<br>
that it is a mature product (a rare thing in IT).<br>
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Currently, the Geode is good enough for many applications and would be<br>
a step up for others. The embedded world tends away from the shiny<br>
object model of upgrades. If it worked last year, it works this year,<br>
and it'll work next year. Changes in the product are considered<br>
undesirable.<br>
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AMD's statement doesn't even mean there won't be a die shrink or even<br>
a faster Geode in the future, just that they won't be updating it's<br>
architecture.<br>
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It's not a bad decision either. There is a significant niche for the<br>
Geode between the Atom (too hot, too power hungry) and things like the<br>
Dragon Ball and mips (not enough power).<br>
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Geode isn't in trouble until Intel comes out with an x86 that doesn't<br>
need a heatsink (or at least doesn't need a fan).</blockquote><div></div><div>This is also referred to, in another thread, but the Atom draws very little power. I already referred that you can get an Atom that has a 0.65W TDP, not 3.whatever like in the Geode LX. These are the Z series and they draw very little power, top of 2.4W for the 1866MHz model. The other low-end chip(also $20), the Z510, has a TDP of 2W - any one of these can run without an "heatsink", mostly a small metal plate that allows the silicon core to dissipate heat, since it's a fliped-chip design. The Z500 is obviously very very good for embedded applications.</div>
<div></div><div>The Z series use a lower power CMOS bus, instead of the power hungry GTL+, which when paired with Poulsbo it should make for a remarkable package. The next iteration will also have the graphics core and some other stuff embedded, for further savings.</div>
<div></div><div>Best regards,</div><div> Tiago Marques</div></div>