<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 21 Oct 2008, at 4:15 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Jeff <<A href="mailto:jeff@wildcoast.com">jeff@wildcoast.com</A>> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please stop imagining that lowest-spec, cheapest hardware and crippleware is</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the answer - or that 3'rd World countries will never progress towards a</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">reasonable standard. That attitude is patronizing and demeaning. And wrong.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hey - I'm familiar with a lot of variety and I'm working towards</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">options and flexibility as much as I can. But I'm shorthanded as hell,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">so help is appreciated in *getting things done*.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And no -- server-devel is not about crippleware. It's just not very far along.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">I'm sorry to have offended you Martin. I have tremendous respect for you and think you've done amazing work here, but I think some of the limitations are a result of the (artificial) constraints which you currently perceive or experience, but which may not actually be constraints in a couple of years. . . Including the cost of your data traffic in NZ.</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">From my perspective I would love to see a full featured XS deployment that includes wikipedia, gutenberg library, comics, games, and a DVD distro with all the necessary software applications and packages - rather than a server OS cut down to the bone to be able to fit on an XO as a server. </SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">The Server and the Content Library are inextricably interwoven in my mind.</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">It could be worth considering focusing on XS running on XO as a server to handle the basic requirements (DNS, DHCP, ejabberd, and CUPS (hehe), etc.) - but for the rest I think that everything required for an XO deployment server could as easily be packaged for Debian and Fedora separately as distinct repositories. Another thing which is important, in my experience, is single sign-on authentication across the board: from a user data directory on the server - to Moodle and Drupal... and much more. In that regard I would love if there was a closer correlation to normal desktop deployments instead of depending on the XO's unique ID or MAC address (or however it is planned... I don't really have a clue about that. Sorry. Send me an XO, please. : -).</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Unfortunately I don't have access to an XO, and each 500mb download of an ISO (Sugar & XS, but excluding Qemu) costs me a very significant percentage of my monthly income. *sigh* That's my own fault for choosing to be where I am and doing what I'm doing, I guess. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I just wish I knew how to help you get more things done. I believe strongly in the OLPC vision (actually, Nicholas Negroponte's original vision)... and as far as I'm concerned, if we had a deployment of OLPC here (and I mean 1 laptop /per/ child) we will use it as medium to instill a love of reading in children.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If OLPC misses every constructivist wish and vision; and only creates a mobile "Library of Alexandria" for our children (including, and probably especially, classic comic material) - thereby instilling a love of reading and an improved literacy - it will have succeeded beyond Nicholas's dreams. Please don't think by that I misunderstand or believe that such a foundation will not provide the constructivist platform that we all, mostly, believe in. It's just that my perspective is colored by my real life experience here.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>To put that in context: here where we are the text-books are locked up in safes, and the children learn to regard the teacher as a font of all knowledge and wisdom. It is a very dangerous mindset that; and creates an appalling dependency on perceived "authority" and artificial hierarchies. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-Jeff</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>