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Hello Dr. Kalyanaram<br>
<br>
<font color="#000099">>I had earlier given a free licence to use,
and submitted my Indian Lexicon (for 25 languages) for inclusion in
OLPC. </font><br>
<br>
When you say "Indian lexicon"... it means a "25 international languages
lexicon build in India" or "25 Indian languages" ??? (In Peru we have
Quechua (around 4 to 6 varieties), Aymara (I don't know if it is a
unique version, and the "Instituto de Verano" (NGO) described more than
40 other languages in the peruvian jungle).<br>
<br>
<font color="#000099">>A general consensus may have to be arrived at
on the availability
of basic lexical/language resources at various levels, from primary to
secondary school levels. </font><br>
<br>
Our goverment (peruvian goverment) says that this project is for
primary schools (6 to 12 years old aproximately). I don't think that
we must ask the children to return his/her dear XO once he get 12 years
old... we, old grown adults, use many kinds of devices that are small:
cellullars & palmtops are very common and we check mail, and send
short messages... if we "open the window"... why we need to close it
when the kid reachs 12 years old? (that "window" reference is without
any 2nd implication! (smile) ).<br>
<br>
<font color="#000099">>Every prospective OLPC user is a child and
will not be restricted to children alone, particularly in, for example,
the rural areas of India with one billion population with a large
percentage of illiteracy. </font><br>
<br>
uhmmm... that was I thought when I realize there will be 250,000 XOs in
Peru in the next year (40,000 are here in this moment). All of these
machines can CHANGE the whole world because they are the TOOLS to
communicate with the world. One of the big problems that will arise in
2 or 3 years is when these machines will be used to develop VOIP (very
low bandwith needed). Communication tools they are! then they will be
used as COMMUNICATION tools without any restriction. <br>
<br>
Learning tool: in some areas of Peru more than 70% of the women are not
able to read, that's what official statistics show. From my personal
experience I can say that it is not rare in the isolated towns and
villages that the women are not able to speak spanish (only the men),
and they have not personal identification document (no I.D.... they
don't exist for the occidental society.. but they pay taxes: every soft
drink, every beer (thats the kind of occidental culture that we carry
to those towns) has its government tax included (VAT)).<br>
<br>
My conclusion: XOs are not for children only. They will be
revolutionary tool for this generation. It should be.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Javier Rodriguez<br>
Lima, Peru<br>
<br>
<br>
kalyan97 wrote:
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cite="mid:d9d28c5f0803111738o42e44abfxe25e8b1c2fb8d9d1@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Sorry for digressing on the subject of Dictionaries on
OLPC and taking the issue beyond Peru. I had earlier given a free
licence to use, and submitted my Indian Lexicon (for 25 languages) for
inclusion in OLPC. A general consensus may have to be arrived at on the
availability of basic lexical/language resources at various levels,
from primary to secondary school levels. Every prospective OLPC user is
a child and will not be restricted to children alone, particularly in,
for example, the rural areas of India with one billion population with
a large percentage of illiteracy. Best regards, Dr. S. kalyanaraman<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Samuel
Klein <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sj@laptop.org">sj@laptop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:info@olpc-peru.info">info@olpc-peru.info</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:info@olpc-peru.info">info@olpc-peru.info</a>>:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> I agree: some "dynamic" database will be better than a "static"
database.<br>
> It is not hard to build: just add a form and some "append/sort"
routine to<br>
> the main database. Easy to say! (smile)... the "upgrade/add
words" option<br>
> can not be done in plain javascript (it goes against the idea that<br>
> javascript comes from the server and runs on the client machine in
a typical<br>
> Internet connection... many security issues raise up!). So... the<br>
> "add/upgrade" option or form needs to feed some "php" or java or
phyton<br>
> or... any other language that can be installed on the XO (I don't
know which<br>
> ones are installed in this moment... which languages come
installed with the<br>
> XO? Phyton and... what else? )<br>
<br>
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Effectively, just Python.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Sharing new words: how the modifications of one user can be
"shared" with<br>
> the rest of the "group" or the rest of the "neighborhood" ?
Possible<br>
> answers:<br>
> * The school server will collect, organize and share the
"additional words<br>
> & meanings".<br>
<br>
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To keep a record of all dictionary changes made by each individual,<br>
you will need to do something on a machine or site with a fair bit of<br>
memory that intends to be up for a long time.<br>
<br>
XOs will probably want a way to merge a new dictionary with their<br>
existing one, from the mesh, a server, or another place; it has no<br>
reason to store lots of changes in memory.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> So we will have "english word =<br>
> spanish word" or "english word = english meaning" ... and many
other<br>
> combinations: common phrases... localisms... concepts... etc.<br>
<br>
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Also picture dictionaries, working in both directions (word to image,<br>
or image to words in various languages).<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Othe names different than "words" ?<br>
<br>
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Do you mean phrases?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
SJ<br>
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