[Sugar-devel] Community XO software builds

Martin Dengler martin at martindengler.com
Thu May 7 05:48:56 EDT 2015

On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 10:16:42AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:10 AM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > 2.  there are missing desktop packages, which means we are taking on
> > maintenance of those packages on CentOS,
> Having tried and failed to do this back when EL6 was new I believe
> this is a dead end. It turned out to be _WAY_ more effort than
> actually keeping Fedora up to date. The upstream RHEL releases are
> every 6 months but if you need a fix for a package in the core 2500
> odd packages and it's not easy you might be waiting a lot longer for a
> fix.
> In Fedora if you know the right people (like me) you can get a fix
> into update-testing in a day. Also there's a much much wider QA group
> across the packages we use and care about.

I'm sure core people get it, but I think it's hard to over-emphasize to
everyone else that there are two places where you get the most bang for your
buck: 1) you stay with the latest (Fedora); or 2) you *never* change anything,
ever.  Everything in-between seems like it might be a better tradeoff, but
really all that's happening is you're giving your paid devops staff time to
work around their holidays and internally-driven priorities.

Have no paid devops staff or worldwide priority list?  You need to be on Fedora
or *never* ever change.

SugarLabs being in that place, with people like you to take forward Sugar
packages on the popular, RHEL-upstream (in practice) Fedora, there is no good
reason to accept a slower security fix process and a much more time-expensive
release process.

> And I've been trying as hard with Fedora as possible. The core Sugar
> stack is in pretty good shape. There's some work needed on some
> Activies but most of the work it to update them to the latest upstream
> bits.

This rings true to me too.

> Peter

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