Customization Sticks fails on 13.1.0 & 12.1.0 for XO-1 (Holt)
lionel at olpc-france.org
lionel at olpc-france.org
Wed Mar 13 04:46:16 EDT 2013
Hi Adam,
I had a similar problem few month ago on 3 unlocked XO-1.5 on our
Saint-Denis deployment.
I've trace the issue with a serial adapter (posted here in a past mail) but
there is nothing special in the log.
I've finally fixed the issue in a strange way: enabling verbose boot with
"change-tag TS show" command on the firmware prompt.
See more here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Startup_diagnosis#Enabling_Verbose_Boot_from_OFW
It solve the issue, however there is two drawbacks to do that:
- The boot is now very verbose!
- You can't use a customization key when the verbose boot is enable.
BTW you could disable it just before using your customization key then
reenable it after.
Hope it could help.
One more thing: as a guy that had more than 200 XO to update by hand in Nosy
Komba this year. I'm very concerned and disappointed by the disappearing of
customization key. I can't imagine how we could deployed 12.1.0 and 13.1.0
without that!
Is there any complexity to maintain the customization key?
Best regards from France.
Lionel.
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:16:22 -0400
From: Holt <holt at laptop.org>
To: Devel's in the Details <devel at lists.laptop.org>
Cc: Support Gangsters <support-gang at laptop.org>
Subject: Re: [support-gang] Customization Sticks fails on 13.1.0 &
12.1.0 for XO-1
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On 3/12/2013 10:21 PM, John Watlington wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Holt wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/2013 10:08 PM, John Watlington wrote:
>>> Please don't redistribute secure laptops --- OLPC's policy since early
2009 has
>>> been to deprecate the security system. The exceptions have been
deployments
>>> "large" enough to have dedicated support staff capable of handling their
own keys.
>> I wish :) We have no choice but to continue to distribute secure laptops
in Haiti as these are Give1Get1 redonations that are already (largely) moved
from the USA to Haiti where the developer key process is
unrealistic+overwhelming to largely offline deployments.
> No more unrealistic than upgrading them. All it takes is running a
collector
> USB key over the laptops, mailing or emailing the small text file
> generated to the US, and receiving a small text file back.
Hmm, we'll consider it but honestly when we head to rural Haiti
deployment(s) without reliable mail services for some one-time orphanage
deployment/update visits starting this wkd, the above might not work.
I supposed we could consider dev keys by text/SMS in theory?
Realistically I say far better to invite you down to carry them in by
motorcycle--Haiti's a shockingly beautiful, eternally misunderstood and
increasingly stable place--while Spirit's flights from the US remain not so
much more than last year's $59.
Early photos here: http://flickr.com/tiAyiti
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nancie Severs <olpc.dristi at yahoo.com>
To: "Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to \"help AT
laptop.org\"" <support-gang at lists.laptop.org>
Subject: Re: [support-gang] New Builds vs Older Build: Need for
discussion
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Hi all,
I'll try to keep my comments by subject on thread. 12.1.0 works very well on
the XO-1's. After testing 13.1.0 on XO-1's I have determined that 12.1.0 is
the best option unless like Adam mentions below, you need an Activity that
won't run on 12.1.0.
13 is too heavy for the XO-1.? 12.1.0 leaves approximately 100 MG more in
the Journal than 13. The Home View and switching screens (as I already
mentioned somewhere) is sluggish and irritating.) Activities are much slower
to load, leading to impatient folks like me, double pushing buttons and
freezing everything.
Re: 12.1.0 vs. 11.3.1, I like 12.1.0 especially because it automatically
names Journal entries in many cases. Perhaps 13.1.0 will get finished and be
better. Or perhaps the developer team will decide to clean up 12.1.0 and
make that the final build for the XO-1. In any event, it is probably a good
idea to keep the bug reports coming on both Builds.
I am reflashing a dozen XO's back to 12.1.0 from 13.? I'll also be updating
the additional Contributors XO-1s to 12.1.0 as time permits.
I agree with the post today. The XO-1's are still terrific and useful
laptops, especially with this Build.
Nancie
Nancie Severs
OLPC Support Volunteer
________________________________
From: Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org>
To: "Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to "help AT
laptop.org"" <support-gang at lists.laptop.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [support-gang] New Builds vs Older Build: Need for discussion
On 3/10/2013 10:02 PM, Adam Holt wrote:
For Haiti we reverted from Release 13.1.0 to 11.3.1 just today, in order to
get WikipediaFR to run, which sadly does not run on 12.1.0 and 13.1.0
>
>The slowness of 13.1.0 also became a decider (about 50% slower
than 11.3.1 for most Activities/booting/etc, possibly due to
Fedora 18, not sure?) anyway our training time in Haiti is quite
limited, and we don't want frustrated teachers/mentors.
>
>Finally we strongly suspect something inside 12.1.0 and 13.1.0
mangles the firmware causing most (all?) our unsecured XOs to
never finish booting, after the 2nd boot at least?? Holding the
checkmark (tickmark) gamekey every single boot is a workaround but
annoying, this will trip up the classroom experience.? I suppose
we could "relock" these unsecured XOs and it might fix the
problem?? But we've run out of time to debug this flying to Haiti
now, so sticking with 11.3.1 saves us the hassle.
>
Clarif, if someone's able to later solves this: unsecured XO-1's
becomes permanently handicapped with this "Gray Dots Forever"
syndrome, never fully booting into Sugar, no matter how many times
you reflash back down to 11.3.1 it appears.
Installing 12.1.0 or 13.1.0 appears to be the trigger to
"permanently" warp your unsecured XO-1.
Which is why we suspect something's badly buggy at the firmware
level or similar?
Very sorry this is not a complete bug report, but many of us tried
to face down this ugly nuissance over the last 10 days and failed,
so we're steering clear of 12.1.0 and 13.1.0 on unsecured XO-1s
until we know more anyway :}
Not sure if that helps you Gonzalo, but for Haiti, we really very badly
wanted the enhanced the new Sugar 0.98.2 experience that's part of Release
13.1.0 but had to decide against it this time, moving back to Sugar 0.94.1
part of Release 11.3.1, for now!.
>
>
>
>On 3/10/2013 9:08 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>
>Concrete cases where we should improve are welcomed.
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Gonzalo
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Dr. Gerald Ardito
<gerald.ardito at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>For what is is worth, I have had the same experience was Nancie with
11.3.1 vs 12. I haven't tested 13 yet.
>>>The XO-1s just seemed to work better with the earlier version. I would be
happy to document this more thoroughly, but wanted to add my two cents now.
>>>Thanks.Gerald
>>>On Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>>Hi Nancie,
>>>>Is very important for us (developers of sugar and some of the
activities),
>>>>know what problems you found or in what cases you think 13.1.0 is worst
than previous versions.
>>>>You can think is obvious, but the team is small and the job is big,
>>>>then we can do mistakes and sadly can't test all the combinations of
hardware/software, etc.
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Gonzalo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Nancie Severs <olpc.dristi at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>HI Adam and all,
>>>>>I told you so...(that the stuck at the grey dots is a significant
problem.) That bug needs to be identified and fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Re: 12 & 13 being slower than 11.3.1, and our discussion about whether
to use whatever build seems to work vs. using the latest builds (which
presumably fix bugs in the earlier builds and are thus better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The conclusion last week, was to upgrade to 13.1.0, so I have been
fully charging 8 laptops a day and reflashing to 13.1.0 to get them into a
"ready to ship" state. Should I stop doing that and leave 11.3.1 on
everything now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, I compared the free Journal space in the two builds. 11.3.1 has
350 MB free and 13.1.0 has 279 MB free. Now that the Journal deletes early
entries rather than showing "Journal Full," that's not necessarily a
problem. It depends what additional Activities and downloads are desired.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Need for Discussion I think it is a good idea to make a decision as a
group, which final Build we would like to settle on. Any agreement, or
disagreement? I don't want to put 13.1.0 on Contributors XOs and then have
to reflash all over again.
>>>>>Thanks for weighing in!
>>>>>Nancie:)
>>>>>
>>>>>Nancie Severs
>>>>>OLPC Support Volunteer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Holt <holt at laptop.org>
>>>>>To: "Community Support Volunteers -- who help respond to "help AT
laptop.org"" <support-gang at lists.laptop.org>; Devel's in the Details
<devel at lists.laptop.org>; IAEP <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:41 PM
>>>>>Subject: [support-gang] gray dots forever: when 12.1.0 & 13.1.0 never
fully boot (XO-1 especially? 11.3.1 too)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 3/10/2013 3:39 PM, Nancie Severs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Going to 12 and 13, I am still getting a % of XOs that get stuck at the
grey dots when booting after the reflash is complete. Richard Smith figured
out that this is a Pretty Boot issue. He had a workaround that worked on an
XO 1.5, but I have not been successful had getting that to work on an XO
1.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I've the same issue with
an XO-1 running Release
11.3.1 -- it was
previously running March
6th's 13.1.0
>>>>>
>>>>>Now it freezes at the end
of prettyboot (once all
grey dots have formed a
circle).? Sugar's
interface never fully
boots.? 2 workarounds
(partially) force Sugar to
boot:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Hold down the "check"
game key
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cheat_codes) on boot, or
>>>>>2) Hit the Esc key on
boot.? Then type "boot" at
the
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ok prompt
>>>>>
>>>>>As Nancie asks, how to
force this every time on
an XO-1?? Or perhaps this
is not possible, according
to "Enabling Verbose Boot from
OFW" at the bottom of: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Startup_diagnosis
>>>>>Hauntingly even if such a
workaround exists, as the
XO's main Power button
does not respond as it
should once Sugar has
booted (short taps of the
Power button are
completely ignored when
using the above
workarounds).
>>>>>
>>>>>Reflashing to 11.3.1 does
not help, very
surprisingly.
>>>>>I even tried reverting
firmware from 13.1.0's
q2f13 to 11.3.1's q2f11 at
the ok prompt (this is an
unsecured XO-1), and
subsequent reflash to
11.3.1.? But no dice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nancie's getting something
like 10-25% of her newly
reflashed XO-1s ending up
in this borked state
recently, suggesting a
deeper syndrome?
>>>>>Is there a pattern that
many of these machines are
unsecured?? That part's
unclear.? FYI, I only
wrote this up in case it
hpoefully helps others, or
someone has the antidote
=)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interestingly: the
9-month-old 11.3.1 appears
substantially faster than
13.1.0 on XO-1 in almost
all regards.? Sad!
>>>>>Due to Fedora 14 to 18
innards?? And/or Sugar's
evolution from 0.94 to
0.98?? O well.? Yioryos
Asprobounitis has some
time trial numbers here if
anyone needs them.
>>>>>
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