From cbigenho at hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 15:36:19 2012 From: cbigenho at hotmail.com (Caryl Bigenho) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:36:19 -0800 Subject: Off-topic (sorta) Need help opening Raspberry pi case Message-ID: Hi Guys... My raspberry pi arrived yesterday and I want to put it into the little clear plastic case I got for it. Ed and I have both tried toopen it with no luck. We don't want to break it. If anyone on these lists has one, can you tell us the secret? Thanks! Caryl P.S. Has anyone tried to run Sugar on the Raspberry pi? P.P.S. Link to info about the case: http://www.newark.com/multicomp/mc-rp001-clr/enclosure-raspberry-pi-clear/dp/07W8936 P.P.P.S. I don't recommend getting your pi at Newark. They really overcharged me for the shipping. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From forster at ozonline.com.au Sat Dec 1 15:43:03 2012 From: forster at ozonline.com.au (forster at ozonline.com.au) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:43:03 +1100 Subject: [support-gang] Off-topic (sorta) Need help opening Raspberry pi case Message-ID: <201212012043.qB1Kh3lu023039@smtp.ozonline.com.au> some Pi ideas http://tonyforster.blogspot.com.au/ > > Hi Guys... > My raspberry pi arrived yesterday and I want to put it into the little clear plastic case I got for it. Ed and I have both tried toopen it with no luck. We don't want to break it. If anyone on these lists has one, can you tell us the secret? > Thanks! > Caryl > P.S. Has anyone tried to run Sugar on the Raspberry pi? > P.P.S. Link to info about the case: http://www.newark.com/multicomp/mc-rp001-clr/enclosure-raspberry-pi-clear/dp/07W8936 > P.P.P.S. I don't recommend getting your pi at Newark. They really overcharged me for the shipping. > > >
> Hi Guys...

My raspberry pi arrived yesterday and I want to put it into the little clear plastic case I got for it. Ed and I have both tried to
open it with no luck. We don't want to break it. If anyone on these lists has one, can you tell us the secret?

Thanks!

Caryl

P.S. Has anyone tried to run Sugar on the Raspberry pi?

P.P.S. Link to info about the case: http://www.newark.com/multicomp/mc-rp001-clr/enclosure-raspberry-pi-clear/dp/07W8936

P.P.P.S. I don't recommend getting your pi at Newark. They really overcharged me for the shipping.
> _______________________________________________ > support-gang mailing list > support-gang at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang From cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 17:09:22 2012 From: cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com (Chris Leonard) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 17:09:22 -0500 Subject: Off-topic (sorta) Need help opening Raspberry pi case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > P.S. Has anyone tried to run Sugar on the Raspberry pi? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sugar+on+raspberry+pi I'm surprised there were not more fruit pie sweetener hits :-) This looks a little promising: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/Sweets_on_Raspberry_pi_armhf_raspbian From cbigenho at hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 19:26:54 2012 From: cbigenho at hotmail.com (Caryl Bigenho) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:26:54 -0800 Subject: Off-topic (sorta) Need help opening Raspberry pi case In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Sounds like something worth trying... when I get the basics figured out (and the case open)!. Maybe we need a new, special version of Sugar for the Raspberry Pi.... of course, it would be called"... "Sugar Pi" ;-D Seriously though, the more devices that will run Sugar, the better! The book I bought about the Raspberry pi that was written by one of the 2 guys that designed it says it was designed with children as users in mind. 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I find it hard to keep track of all of the methods and approaches tested / employed, but I would hazard to say that an install based on the Sweets Distribution would be "Sweetie Pi". cjl From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 22:17:56 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:47:56 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss Message-ID: Hi, When I use the XO to shoot a video and pan it really fast, from one side to another, the rest of the video, after the pan, goes for a toss! Is this a known issue ? I do not think I have read this behaviour documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? Here is the link (On Google Drive) - *http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr* . -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not think I have read this behaviour > documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? > > Here is the link (On Google Drive) - *http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr* > . > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sverma at sfsu.edu Sun Dec 2 04:59:42 2012 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 01:59:42 -0800 Subject: flashing a XO 4 Message-ID: I've tried flashing a XO 4 with os15 from http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os15/xo-4/ I got the .zd file on a USB stick and ran fs-update at the openfirmware prompt. It reflashes, but after rebooting, it sits at the ok prompt of openfirmware. Any ideas? Sameer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tom at carrott.org Sun Dec 2 05:07:50 2012 From: tom at carrott.org (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:07:50 +1300 Subject: flashing a XO 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BB2876.6070906@carrott.org> On 02/12/12 22:59, Sameer Verma wrote: > I've tried flashing a XO 4 with os15 from > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os15/xo-4/ > > I got the .zd file on a USB stick and ran fs-update at the openfirmware > prompt. It reflashes, but after rebooting, it sits at the ok prompt of > openfirmware. I had this too yesterday. I fixed it by flashing the latest firmware. After perhaps 2 or 3 more reboots with firmware update messages, it booted normally. I vaguely understand that there might be a bug with an early firmware which stops the auto update from taking place during first boot, unless you've manually updated past this one, you won't get new firmwares just by flashing new operating systems. From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 05:37:57 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:07:57 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you could not view the video, please view it - * http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr * Rights modified. Jv. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, RJV wrote: > Sorry that link is of another video. This is the actual link - * > http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr* > * > * > *Regards,* > * > * > *Jv* > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, RJV wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> When I use the XO to shoot a video and pan it really fast, from one side >> to another, the rest of the video, after the pan, goes for a toss! >> >> Is this a known issue ? I do not think I have read this behaviour >> documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? >> >> Here is the link (On Google Drive) - *http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr* >> . >> -- >> Regards, >> >> *Ravichandran J.V.* >> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sverma at sfsu.edu Sun Dec 2 05:43:51 2012 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:43:51 -0800 Subject: flashing a XO 4 In-Reply-To: <50BB2876.6070906@carrott.org> References: <50BB2876.6070906@carrott.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Tom. That worked. Sameer On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > On 02/12/12 22:59, Sameer Verma wrote: > >> I've tried flashing a XO 4 with os15 from >> http://build.laptop.org/13.1.**0/os15/xo-4/ >> >> I got the .zd file on a USB stick and ran fs-update at the openfirmware >> prompt. It reflashes, but after rebooting, it sits at the ok prompt of >> openfirmware. >> > > I had this too yesterday. I fixed it by flashing the latest firmware. > After perhaps 2 or 3 more reboots with firmware update messages, it booted > normally. > > I vaguely understand that there might be a bug with an early firmware > which stops the auto update from taking place during first boot, unless > you've manually updated past this one, you won't get new firmwares just by > flashing new operating systems. > ______________________________**_________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/**listinfo/devel > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajaygargnsit at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 05:50:55 2012 From: ajaygargnsit at gmail.com (Ajay Garg) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:20:55 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well.. could be the lack of hardware graphics acceleration ??? On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM, RJV wrote: > If you could not view the video, please view it - * > http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr * > > Rights modified. > > Jv. > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, RJV wrote: > >> Sorry that link is of another video. This is the actual link - * >> http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr* >> * >> * >> *Regards,* >> * >> * >> *Jv* >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, RJV wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When I use the XO to shoot a video and pan it really fast, from one side >>> to another, the rest of the video, after the pan, goes for a toss! >>> >>> Is this a known issue ? I do not think I have read this behaviour >>> documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? >>> >>> Here is the link (On Google Drive) - *http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr* >>> . >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> *Ravichandran J.V.* >>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> *Ravichandran J.V.* >> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -- Regards, Ajay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not think I have read this behaviour documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? >>>> >>>> Here is the link (On Google Drive) - http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr >>>> . >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Ravichandran J.V. >>>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >>>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ravichandran J.V. >>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Ravichandran J.V. >> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel at lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > > Can you please include the model of the XO you are using, as well as the OS revision? Thanks Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 06:11:19 2012 From: cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com (Chris Leonard) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 06:11:19 -0500 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, RJV wrote: > If you could not view the video, please view it - http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr > > Rights modified. > So any budding cinematographers out there who will access the accelerometer from Record and hack us up a digital SteadiCam mode? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadicam cjl From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 06:33:53 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:03:53 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Included it in my signature but here it is XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 Regards, Jv On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2012 11:51 AM, "Ajay Garg" wrote: > > > > Well.. could be the lack of hardware graphics acceleration ??? > > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM, RJV wrote: > >> > >> If you could not view the video, please view it - > http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr > >> > >> Rights modified. > >> > >> Jv. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, RJV wrote: > >>> > >>> Sorry that link is of another video. This is the actual link - > http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Jv > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, RJV wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> When I use the XO to shoot a video and pan it really fast, from one > side to another, the rest of the video, after the pan, goes for a toss! > >>>> > >>>> Is this a known issue ? I do not think I have read this behaviour > documented as a known issue or have I missed something in the usage? > >>>> > >>>> Here is the link (On Google Drive) - http://tinyurl.com/bwcd7nr > >>>> . > >>>> -- > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Ravichandran J.V. > >>>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > >>>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Ravichandran J.V. > >>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > >>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> > >> Ravichandran J.V. > >> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > >> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Devel mailing list > >> Devel at lists.laptop.org > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > >> > > > > > > > Can you please include the model of the XO you are using, as well as the > OS revision? 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Here is the link * * *http://tinyurl.com/bmgsmec* * * Jv On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, RJV wrote: > > If you could not view the video, please view it - > http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr > > > > Rights modified. > > > > So any budding cinematographers out there who will access the > accelerometer from Record and hack us up a digital SteadiCam mode? > :-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadicam > > cjl > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 08:07:09 2012 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:07:09 +0100 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can tell you what is happening there. The fast panning is causing the video + audio encoding cpu utilization to be greater than the XO 1.75 can schedule. With the current 1.75 codecs the audio capture and encoding takes quite a bit by itself, and after you do a fast pan the theora encoder has to work much harder trying to match the encoded video with the audio trying to keep it in sync. It is just not able to do that and is thrashing trying to figure out where to keyframe and sync at. We have optimizations in the pipeline that will make the xo 1.75 a more capable video capture device. Please file a ticket so we can keep track of this issue with you. Jon On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM, RJV wrote: > Chris, > > Here is another Video shot with the XO on my Google Drive with > no-pan-shoot. > > Here is the link > * > * > *http://tinyurl.com/bmgsmec* > * > * > Jv > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, RJV wrote: >> > If you could not view the video, please view it - >> http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr >> > >> > Rights modified. >> > >> >> So any budding cinematographers out there who will access the >> accelerometer from Record and hack us up a digital SteadiCam mode? >> :-) >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadicam >> >> cjl >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenfeld at laptop.org Sun Dec 2 08:07:06 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:07:06 -0500 Subject: HDMI port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The connector on XO-4 B1 motherboards is a bit further in than it should be. You might not be able to establish a reliable connection to it without increasing the size of the opening in the case. The connector on XO-4 C1 motherboards has been moved a bit further out. In terms of using the smaller connector, for users upgrading motherboards, there has been discussion about including an adapter to make the existing hole for a third USB port micro HDMI-size. I have not seen one of these adapters yet so I cannot comment much about it. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > I was looking for a cable for the micro HDMI port on the XO4. I couldn't > find it locally, so I bought it online. The connector is similar to a micro > USB on my phone (size wise) but after plugging it into the XO, I realized > that the connector is very flimsy. I suppose the bit sticking inside the XO > doesn't feel robust enough to forgive any major movement of the cable on > the outside. > > A type A HDMI cable connector seems to be quite robust, like a USB A > connector. What was the thinking behind picking a micro HDMI connector? > > A regular HDMI connector seems more robust and easily available (my > experience...yours may vary). > > cheers, > Sameer > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 08:11:33 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:41:33 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jon, So, if you use mencoder and encode it with some other video encoder like a wmv or mpeg4 and convert the .ogv file, it should work properly? I think what you say makes sense and I will try to convert it from Linux upon your reply. Regards, Jv On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > I can tell you what is happening there. The fast panning is causing the > video + audio encoding cpu utilization to be greater than the XO 1.75 can > schedule. With the current 1.75 codecs the audio capture and encoding > takes quite a bit by itself, and after you do a fast pan the theora encoder > has to work much harder trying to match the encoded video with the audio > trying to keep it in sync. It is just not able to do that and is thrashing > trying to figure out where to keyframe and sync at. We have optimizations > in the pipeline that will make the xo 1.75 a more capable video capture > device. Please file a ticket so we can keep track of this issue with you. > > Jon > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM, RJV wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Here is another Video shot with the XO on my Google Drive with >> no-pan-shoot. >> >> Here is the link >> * >> * >> *http://tinyurl.com/bmgsmec* >> * >> * >> Jv >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, RJV wrote: >>> > If you could not view the video, please view it - >>> http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr >>> > >>> > Rights modified. >>> > >>> >>> So any budding cinematographers out there who will access the >>> accelerometer from Record and hack us up a digital SteadiCam mode? >>> :-) >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadicam >>> >>> cjl >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> *Ravichandran J.V.* >> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel at lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 08:18:00 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:48:00 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jon, the video that you have requested for is not in context. I sent it by mistake. This is the actual link - *http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr* If the conversion through mencoder works, a simple footnote as usage help should do rather than filing a ticket, no? Jv On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:41 PM, RJV wrote: > Jon, > > So, if you use mencoder and encode it with some other video encoder like a > wmv or mpeg4 and convert the .ogv file, it should work properly? I think > what you say makes sense and I will try to convert it from Linux upon your > reply. > > Regards, > > Jv > > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: > >> I can tell you what is happening there. The fast panning is causing the >> video + audio encoding cpu utilization to be greater than the XO 1.75 can >> schedule. With the current 1.75 codecs the audio capture and encoding >> takes quite a bit by itself, and after you do a fast pan the theora encoder >> has to work much harder trying to match the encoded video with the audio >> trying to keep it in sync. It is just not able to do that and is thrashing >> trying to figure out where to keyframe and sync at. We have optimizations >> in the pipeline that will make the xo 1.75 a more capable video capture >> device. Please file a ticket so we can keep track of this issue with you. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM, RJV wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> Here is another Video shot with the XO on my Google Drive with >>> no-pan-shoot. >>> >>> Here is the link >>> * >>> * >>> *http://tinyurl.com/bmgsmec* >>> * >>> * >>> Jv >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Chris Leonard wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 AM, RJV wrote: >>>> > If you could not view the video, please view it - >>>> http://tinyurl.com/cxlx2vr >>>> > >>>> > Rights modified. >>>> > >>>> >>>> So any budding cinematographers out there who will access the >>>> accelerometer from Record and hack us up a digital SteadiCam mode? >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadicam >>>> >>>> cjl >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> *Ravichandran J.V.* >>> http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >>> XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel at lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 08:27:55 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:57:55 +0530 Subject: Video (panned fast) goes for a toss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To answer my own question, I guess not. I read too fast through the post, I guess. >>With the current 1.75 codecs the audio capture and encoding takes quite a bit by itself, and after you do a fast pan the theora encoder has to work much harder trying to match the encoded video with the audio trying to keep it in sync. It is just not able to do that and is thrashing trying to figure out where to keyframe and sync at. Jv On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:41 PM, RJV wrote: > Jon, > > So, if you use mencoder and encode it with some other video encoder like a > wmv or mpeg4 and convert the .ogv file, it should work properly? I think > what you say makes sense and I will try to conve -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 08:51:47 2012 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:51:47 +0100 Subject: HDMI port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > The connector on XO-4 B1 motherboards is a bit further in than it should > be. You might not be able to establish a reliable connection to it without > increasing the size of the opening in the case. > > The connector on XO-4 C1 motherboards has been moved a bit further out. > > In terms of using the smaller connector, for users upgrading motherboards, > there has been discussion about including an adapter to make the existing > hole for a third USB port micro HDMI-size. I have not seen one of these > adapters yet so I cannot comment much about it. > > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > >> I was looking for a cable for the micro HDMI port on the XO4. I couldn't >> find it locally, so I bought it online. The connector is similar to a micro >> USB on my phone (size wise) but after plugging it into the XO, I realized >> that the connector is very flimsy. I suppose the bit sticking inside the XO >> doesn't feel robust enough to forgive any major movement of the cable on >> the outside. >> >> A type A HDMI cable connector seems to be quite robust, like a USB A >> connector. What was the thinking behind picking a micro HDMI connector? >> >> A regular HDMI connector seems more robust and easily available (my >> experience...yours may vary). >> >> cheers, >> Sameer >> >> Micro-HDMI is the de-facto mobile internet HDMI connector. Obviously part of that is due to size, but I also feel that the connection was designed to stand up to use in a device that can be moved around a lot, i.e. Mobile Phone, or Tablet. I think you see this in how the connectors are built. Because the connection itself is smaller it allows the cable manufacturers to make the plastic cover for the plug thicker. This gives additional support against the outside of the case and helps minimize the force that is put on the connection between the micro-hdmi port and the motherboard when the plugs is levered. Personally I like the micro-hdmi connector because it also stands out and makes it obvious that it is not another USB port. I am sure the hardware team will have a lot of other more technical reasons for the choice. These are just my personal viewpoints about why I liked the choice of a Micro-HDMI port vs. a Full size port. -Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 2 09:51:35 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:51:35 -0600 Subject: flashing a XO 4 In-Reply-To: <50BB2876.6070906@carrott.org> References: <50BB2876.6070906@carrott.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > I vaguely understand that there might be a bug with an early firmware which > stops the auto update from taking place during first boot, unless you've > manually updated past this one, you won't get new firmwares just by flashing > new operating systems. Thats correct. Also documented at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0#XO-4 Thanks From wad at laptop.org Sun Dec 2 11:54:56 2012 From: wad at laptop.org (John Watlington) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:54:56 -0500 Subject: HDMI port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21DC39A1-7230-49EE-8BAB-A4416A90A9D5@laptop.org> On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:06 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > I was looking for a cable for the micro HDMI port on the XO4. I couldn't find it locally, so I bought it online. The connector is similar to a micro USB on my phone (size wise) but after plugging it into the XO, I realized that the connector is very flimsy. I suppose the bit sticking inside the XO doesn't feel robust enough to forgive any major movement of the cable on the outside. We missed the catch by around 0.25mm. It feels fixed on C1, after moving the connector. > A type A HDMI cable connector seems to be quite robust, like a USB A connector. What was the thinking behind picking a micro HDMI connector? > A regular HDMI connector seems more robust and easily available (my experience...yours may vary). Regular HDMI couldn't be retrofitted into older chassis. A rubber plug is available which glues into place from the inside in an older chassis when installing an XO-4 motherboard. Micro HDMI seems set to become as standard as micro USB. Cheers, wad From quozl at laptop.org Sun Dec 2 19:21:36 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:21:36 +1100 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 02:31:18PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Yes, the XO-4 will need a nonfree firmware program copied by the > operating system into the wireless device. > > That is disappointing news. It means we won't be able to endorse it. > > The 8686 firmware is also in the Debian > non-free package firmware-libertas. > > (What a perverse name!) > > These steps might be placed in the boot script of the operating system > in order to avoid nonfree infection of an operating system > distribution. > > To make it ok, it would have to be buried inside the hardware such > that the user and the system don't touch it at all. It is > possible to do that, but it might take some extra hardware. > > Is it possible to make the circuit such that the internal wireless > device can easily be removed or permanently disabled without breaking > the rest of the machine? If so, we could endorse machines modified in > this way. Yes, it is very easily removed, and this does not break the rest of the machine. (This was impossible on the XO-1, because it was soldered down. We began using a socket with the XO-1.5, XO-1.75, and XO-4.) The internal wireless device is a daughter card in an SDIO socket, with a single screw holding it down. The laptop can be opened using our disassembly instructions [1], to the point of removing the back cover, then: - locate the daughter card using the annotated photograph [2], - unplug the two antenna cables from the card, - remove the screw on the right-hand side of the card; it may spring up by about 10 to 20 degrees, - with light finger pressure lift the card up in the socket, until about 30 degrees elevation, then pull the card away from the socket, - secure the two antenna cables so that they won't short against the motherboard; there are plastic mainframe cable guides that can help with this, along with wire ties or adhesives, - store the card in an antistatic bag. The laptop will boot without the card present. [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Disassembly [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/File:XO1.75_B1_mobo_annotated_bot.png -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From rms at gnu.org Sat Dec 1 14:31:18 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:31:18 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> (message from James Cameron on Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:51:33 +1100) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Yes, the XO-4 will need a nonfree firmware program copied by the operating system into the wireless device. That is disappointing news. It means we won't be able to endorse it. The 8686 firmware is also in the Debian non-free package firmware-libertas. (What a perverse name!) These steps might be placed in the boot script of the operating system in order to avoid nonfree infection of an operating system distribution. To make it ok, it would have to be buried inside the hardware such that the user and the system don't touch it at all. It is possible to do that, but it might take some extra hardware. Is it possible to make the circuit such that the internal wireless device can easily be removed or permanently disabled without breaking the rest of the machine? If so, we could endorse machines modified in this way. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From rms at gnu.org Mon Dec 3 14:34:35 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:34:35 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> (message from James Cameron on Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:21:36 +1100) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: In that case, this machine without that card might be an option for people who want laptops they can use in freedom. They would need to get an external USB network device. If someone sells them without the card (NOT with the card separately packaged), under another name, and if the cards are not easy to obtain, that could be a product we could endorse. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 16:44:17 2012 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:44:17 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: Hi Richard! On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > They would need to get an external USB network device. Are there completely free USB network devices, from your PoV? > If someone sells them without the card (NOT with the card separately > packaged), under another name, and if the cards are not easy to obtain, > that could be a product we could endorse. I am curious, why "if the cards are not easy to obtain"? Non-free peripherals, such as USB-WLAN devices, easy to obtain for this and other computers, no...? cheers, m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From dsd at laptop.org Mon Dec 3 17:07:48 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:07:48 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 16 released Message-ID: Hi, A new 13.1.0 development build is available. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os16 Includes Sugar-0.98.0 and a handful of activity updates. Other recent changes/fixes: #12107 Unbootable initramfs in secure mode #12216 XO-1.75/XO4 don't support 1.8 volt SD cards #12223 gzip --rsyncable option not understood We thought initial XO-4 audio support would be in this release, but looks like our earlier diagnosis is incomplete in that the system is still booting with the volume (PCM mixer) turned all the way down, even with the kernel changes included here. I plan to look into this tomorrow but no complaints if anyone beats me to it. This is the last development build, we now move into regression-fixes-only mode (release candidates). The next build is expected on Friday. Thanks for any testing and feedback! Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Mon Dec 3 17:41:38 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:41:38 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 16 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > We thought initial XO-4 audio support would be in this release, but > looks like our earlier diagnosis is incomplete in that the system is > still booting with the volume (PCM mixer) turned all the way down, > even with the kernel changes included here. I plan to look into this > tomorrow but no complaints if anyone beats me to it. Initial diagnosis done at least... http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4296 From gnu at toad.com Tue Dec 4 06:01:04 2012 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:01:04 -0800 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> > In that case, this machine without that card might be an option > for people who want laptops they can use in freedom. > They would need to get an external USB network device. Yes, or they could even get a different SDIO network device, if they can find one that's free and that has a compatible antenna connector. > If someone sells them without the card (NOT with the card separately > packaged), under another name, and if the cards are not easy to obtain, > that could be a product we could endorse. I don't think anybody plans to sell XO-4's anyway. They're for whole countries to buy in huge orders. (I'm way out of the loop on stuff like that -- maybe things have changed.) If you personally happen to want one for development, you could get one through the OLPC developers program. But there probably won't be anybody selling them in stores, or over the web. FSF could advocate that countries should get them only with free SDIO network cards, and some countries might even listen. But to do that effectively, FSF would have to find at least one free network card that they could actually order and use; test it with the device to make sure it integrates properly; etc. I doubt that a country's education department would buy thousands of XO-4s that depend for their connectivity on dangling USB network sticks that kids are likely to lose or break. John PS: If you want to spend time on the freedom of OLPC products, first get the FSF staff to enforce the GPL on OLPCs. Major OLPC customer countries are still providing hundreds of thousands of laptops full of GPLv3 binary software to kids who can't examine, replace, or get the matching source for that software. These laptops are locked down with "Secure Boot", with a remote disable switch (time-limited leases), and also shipped with root access disabled, so the owner can't even do simple software edits or upgrades. From saadia at laptop.org Tue Dec 4 11:29:28 2012 From: saadia at laptop.org (Saadia Husain Baloch) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:29:28 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 16 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the Terminal please run "amixer sset PCM 254" to get audio -Saadia On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > We thought initial XO-4 audio support would be in this release, but > > looks like our earlier diagnosis is incomplete in that the system is > > still booting with the volume (PCM mixer) turned all the way down, > > even with the kernel changes included here. I plan to look into this > > tomorrow but no complaints if anyone beats me to it. > > Initial diagnosis done at least... > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4296 > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gonzalo at laptop.org Tue Dec 4 11:34:48 2012 From: gonzalo at laptop.org (Gonzalo Odiard) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:34:48 -0300 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 16 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tested. Sound volume is really low. Anyway, one of the best news in the week :) Gonzalo On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Saadia Husain Baloch wrote: > In the Terminal please run "amixer sset PCM 254" to get audio > -Saadia > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> > We thought initial XO-4 audio support would be in this release, but >> > looks like our earlier diagnosis is incomplete in that the system is >> > still booting with the volume (PCM mixer) turned all the way down, >> > even with the kernel changes included here. I plan to look into this >> > tomorrow but no complaints if anyone beats me to it. >> >> Initial diagnosis done at least... >> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4296 >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel at lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsd at laptop.org Tue Dec 4 16:14:55 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:14:55 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 16 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Saadia Husain Baloch wrote: > In the Terminal please run "amixer sset PCM 254" to get audio Thanks Saadia. Another option is to use the speaker icon in Sugar's frame to raise the volume to 100%. Then you will get quiet audio, same as running amixer. We'll make it louder soon. Daniel From rms at gnu.org Tue Dec 4 05:15:38 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 05:15:38 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: (message from Martin Langhoff on Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:44:17 -0500) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: > They would need to get an external USB network device. Are there completely free USB network devices, from your PoV? The question is whether the device requires installation of nonfree software. Several years ago, when I used an XO, I used a USB WiFi device which didn't require any. I have not checked recently whether they are still made. A "free USB network device" would mean something else -- a device whose plans, including any preinstalled firmware, are released under a free license. We don't need to insist on that. (I want to write an article about the free hardware issue, but I don't have time to explain now.) All we need is a network device that can be used without installed nonfree software. I am curious, why "if the cards are not easy to obtain"? If they were easy to obtain, the machine without one would specifically invite people get that card in order to make it complete. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From rms at gnu.org Wed Dec 5 06:49:00 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 06:49:00 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> (message from John Gilmore on Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:01:04 -0800) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: PS: If you want to spend time on the freedom of OLPC products, first get the FSF staff to enforce the GPL on OLPCs. Major OLPC customer countries are still providing hundreds of thousands of laptops full of GPLv3 binary software to kids who can't examine, replace, or get the matching source for that software. These laptops are locked down with "Secure Boot", with a remote disable switch (time-limited leases), and also shipped with root access disabled, so the owner can't even do simple software edits or upgrades. Please tell us specific evidence; then we will do what we can. It may be hard to enforce copyrights in those countries, but in order to try, we need clear-cut evidence. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From sridhar at laptop.org.au Wed Dec 5 23:31:48 2012 From: sridhar at laptop.org.au (Sridhar Dhanapalan) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:31:48 +1100 Subject: HDMI audio on XO-4 Message-ID: Does the micro-HDMI port on the XO-4 transmit audio? Thanks, Sridhar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Daniel Francis) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:11:19 -0200 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: Hello Richard, 2012/12/5 Richard Stallman : > These laptops are locked down with > "Secure Boot", with a remote disable switch (time-limited leases), and > also shipped with root access disabled, so the owner can't even do > simple software edits or upgrades. It's true. In Uruguay the laptops distributed by Plan Ceibal only allow to boot signed builds without root access. The biggest part of the software can be used and modified with freedom but not inside those laptops. > Please tell us specific evidence; then we will do what we can. > It may be hard to enforce copyrights in those countries, > but in order to try, we need clear-cut evidence. The signed builds for Uruguay are distributed in this website: http://ceibal.edu.uy/Articulos/Paginas/Flasheo%20de%20equipos%20Ceibal_.aspx Some direct FTP links: XO-1: ftp://200.40.200.101/espacio_tecnico/imagenes/XO-1/ XO-1.5: ftp://200.40.200.101/espacio_tecnico/imagenes/XO-1.5HS/ XO-1.75: ftp://200.40.200.101/espacio_tecnico/imagenes/XO-1.75/ I don't know if there is another way to demonstrate it. Best regards from Uruguay, Daniel. From rms at gnu.org Thu Dec 6 17:47:09 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:47:09 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: (francis@sugarlabs.org) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: It's true. In Uruguay the laptops distributed by Plan Ceibal only allow to boot signed builds without root access. The biggest part of the software can be used and modified with freedom but not inside those laptops. What I was told in Uruguay when I brought this up is that users can get them unlocked if they ask. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From david at lang.hm Thu Dec 6 18:17:26 2012 From: david at lang.hm (David Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:17:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012, S. Daniel Francis wrote: > Hello Richard, > > 2012/12/5 Richard Stallman : >> These laptops are locked down with >> "Secure Boot", with a remote disable switch (time-limited leases), and >> also shipped with root access disabled, so the owner can't even do >> simple software edits or upgrades. > It's true. In Uruguay the laptops distributed by Plan Ceibal only > allow to boot signed builds without root access. The biggest part of > the software can be used and modified with freedom but not inside > those laptops. The question is who the owner is. Is the owner the national entity that paid for them? or is it the child who it is given to? If it's the child, they should be able to get it unlocked. If it's the entity that paid for it, there's no good reason why anyone else (including the person who is carrying it around) is required to have this access. It's very nice when the person carrying it has that access, but if they didn't buy it, I don't afree that they have a right to change it. David Lang From francis at sugarlabs.org Thu Dec 6 18:44:33 2012 From: francis at sugarlabs.org (S. Daniel Francis) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 21:44:33 -0200 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: Hi, 2012/12/6 David Lang : > The question is who the owner is. Is the owner the national entity that paid > for them? or is it the child who it is given to? > > If it's the child, they should be able to get it unlocked. The agreement says the computer is owned by the child when it finishes the courses. > It's very nice when the person carrying it has that access, but if they > didn't buy it, I don't afree that they have a right to change it. Where I can remember, the main restriction in the agreement is that the laptop can be opened (to fix a problem internally) only by the authorized centres. If the user opens the laptop and crashes it, the authorized centres don't fix it. About Richard's message: Users can't get them unlocked where I know and the (volunteer) development community couldn't obtain development keys, but I'm not totally sure about that. My main information source is the olpc-uruguay mailing list and I can't affirm something like that without a stronger evidence. John might have them... The restriction never affected the _users_ and now it isn't affecting the developers because there are documented some hacks to reset the root password and disable the security. Cheers, Daniel Francis. From cbigenho at hotmail.com Fri Dec 7 01:14:17 2012 From: cbigenho at hotmail.com (Caryl Bigenho) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:14:17 -0800 Subject: Reminder: Proposals for SCaLE11X Presentations Due Mon 12/10/12 In-Reply-To: <8218634539af8eab4b1756d54940b2c6@lists.linuxfests.org> References: <8218634539af8eab4b1756d54940b2c6@lists.linuxfests.org> Message-ID: Hi Folks... Anyone want to present at SCaLE11x the weekend of Feb 22-24, 2013? The deadline for submitting your proposal is this coming Monday, December 12. There will be an education track even if it isn't listed (it wasn't, but may be now). Of course, you don't have to present on an education topic. You can do it on any open source topic. Presenters get free admission. But, if we have a booth again, you will probably get that anyway if you donate time to work the booth. The email below is from last month. They had reminders on FaceBook earlier this week too. Hope you can participate! Caryl > To: cbigenho at hotmail.com > Subject: [SCALE 11X] Get your proposal in yet? > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:07:30 -0800 > From: info at socallinuxexpo.org > > Have you gotten your talk submitted for SCALE 11X yet? > > While submissions for talks for SCALE 11X – the 11th annual Southern > California Linux Expo -- have been rolling in since the Call for > Papers opening date in September, there's still time to get your talk > submitted and reviewed. > > However, you might want to do it soon: The deadline for the Call for > Papers for SCALE 11X is Dec. 10, less than a month away. > > The SCALE staff will decide on which talks to accept and send out > notices by Christmas. > > As in years past, SCALE 11X will have specialized tracks – including > Systems Administration, Kernel Developer and Cloud/Virtualization > tracks – as well as having general tracks which cover a wide range > of Free/Open Source Software topics. > > A list of topics, as well as information about how to submit a talk, > can be found at https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/cfp > > SCALE 11X will be held Feb. 22-24, 2013, at the Hilton Los Angeles > International Airport hotel. 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In addition to publishing software changes as we have done before, all package updates need a trac ticket associated so that they get included in the builds. We're only taking regression fixes and production requirements at this point. The long version: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0#Developers I'll be more flexible on XO-4 firmware and kernel changes, taking the latest, but really I think most commits made at this point will be associated with trac tickets anyway, so they fit in with the above just fine. Daniel From rms at gnu.org Fri Dec 7 16:11:53 2012 From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:11:53 -0500 Subject: Will the XO-4 need nonfree firmware In-Reply-To: (francis@sugarlabs.org) References: <20121201015133.GE6572@us.netrek.org> <20121203002136.GC6414@us.netrek.org> <201212041101.qB4B14CU032167@new.toad.com> Message-ID: Users can't get them unlocked where I know and the (volunteer) development community couldn't obtain development keys, but I'm not totally sure about that. My main information source is the olpc-uruguay mailing list and I can't affirm something like that without a stronger evidence. John might have them... When I was in Uruguay and investigated this question, I concluded that the users could get their machines unlocked but that most of them were not asking the right people. If there is clear evidence of GPL violation -- such as, "They said to ask XYZ, we asked XYZ, and here's the response we got" -- the FSF could take action. Vague reports of GPL violations are as unhelpful as vague bug reports as far as fixing things is concerned. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From dsd at laptop.org Sat Dec 8 03:23:51 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 08:23:51 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 17 released Message-ID: Hi, A new 13.1.0 development build is available. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os17 Important note: XO-4 pretty boot is broken (#12378). You must boot holding down the check gamekey (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cheat_codes) otherwise you won't be able to see anything on the screen. Also, be sure to let the XO-4 firmware auto-update to Q7B08, otherwise you won't get any audio. Changes: TurtleArt v168 (#12375) Scratch now launches again (#12343) Abiword no longer crashes on ARM (#12311) XO-4 firmware Q7B08 (#12374) XO-4 max volume is no longer very quiet (#12360) XO-4 default sound level is no longer inaudible (#12363) Unfortunately some recent changes have broken XO-4 camera and dcon support. Expect that fixed for the next build. Thanks for any testing and feedback! From mikus at bga.com Sat Dec 8 10:16:57 2012 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 09:16:57 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 17 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C359E9.2020102@bga.com> I have a "permanent" SD card in my XO-1.5 Installed os17 via olpc-update. When it first booted, I issued 'umount /dev/mmcblk0p1'. X restarted. mikus From dsd at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 09:41:12 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:41:12 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released Message-ID: Hi, A new 13.1.0 development build is available. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os18 Changes: XO-4 kernel fixes: - Camera works again (#12380) - DCON and pretty boot works again (#12378), no need to boot in verbose mode like in build 17 - Power button works again (#12379) - USB unreliability should be fixed (#12158) Fixed bitfrost problem in activation initramfs (#12376) GNOME can be launched on XO-1.75/XO-4 again without error (#12381) The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. sugar activity updater fixes: - UI no longer hangs strangely (#12272) - Select/deselect of specific updates works again (SL#4274) - Activity group URLs can be modified again (SL#4275) sugar-artwork-0.98.1: - Get back margin of toolbuttons (SL#3936) - Style GtkProgressBar (SL#4249) sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.1 - Popdown the palette if an item in the content box gets activated (SL#4191, SL#4253) - TrayIcon: get the black background and outline for palette popup (SL#4089) - RadioToolButton: draw the outline properly (SL#3936) - CanvasIcon: do not keep it ACTIVE when right-click twice (SL#4224) sugar-0.98.1 - Adapt to PaletteMenu changes for popdown on item activation (SL#4191, SL#4253) - Fix XO-4 all-black screenshots (SL#4104) - Journal details: make buddies appear (SL#4282) Paint-53 - Fix "Opacity does change while drawing" (SL#4237) - Fix "Paint cut/paste duplicates first pasted item in top-left corner." (SL#4250) Thanks for any testing and feedback! From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 10:24:57 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:54:57 +0530 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) Message-ID: Hi, We are planning to port Sugar on Android and are faced with these options: 1. Sugar as an application on Android. 2. As a platform on top of the Linux platform. Can the Sugar build be used to create an app bundle to deploy to the app store? Are there any licensing issues? On 2., can someone share their experience, if any, please? -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any licensing issues? > > On 2., can someone share their experience, if any, please? > -- > Regards, > > *Ravichandran J.V.* > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bert at freudenbergs.de Tue Dec 11 13:10:27 2012 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:10:27 +0100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2012-12-11, at 15:41, Daniel Drake wrote: > The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. Not for me ... or maybe it's a different problem. Tried to olpc-update my new XO-4 (with XOrduino and XOstick boards! Yay!) from whatever came pre-installed. After restarting it flashed a new firmware (twice? didn't pay too much attention) and proceded to boot, blinking circle od dots, but that stopped at some point and it didn't do anything visible anymore. No mouse/keyboard/VT switching, so had to power-cycle. On second boot it was fine though, it asked for activity updates, which worked fine. I tried sound in Etoys and Scratch, which didn't work but just made a screetching noise (after turning up the volume). But Record does the same, and froze while trying to play back a recorded video, so maybe it's a wider problem. - Bert - From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 14:43:48 2012 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:43:48 -0500 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rajiv, your plan seems to have good goals, but is missing some understanding of what you can and cannot do. You cannot run Sugar (a Python-based window manager, based on traditional Linux sw stack) on the Android stack. Way too different. To reach your goals, however, you could try something like... - identify what good Android Apps exist that match Sugar Activities, those you don' t have to port, just replace :-) (ie: don't port Record!) - those Sugar Activities that don't have an Android counterpart, reimplement them as Android apps - Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that has the main features of Sugar shell - Implement some of the key services that make Sugar special: ad-hoc auto-networking, collaboration stack, the Journal. The most important, IMO, is the Journal, as Android's handling of "my files" is extremely poor. All these services will need integration into the shell and apps. Alternatively, you can wait for Android/Linux stack convergence projects (see Jolla / Sailfish) to mature. Maybe in a year or two there are ways to run Sugar inside Android or Android Apps on a Linux stack. hth, m On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:24 AM, RJV wrote: > Hi, > > We are planning to port Sugar on Android and are faced with these options: > > 1. Sugar as an application on Android. > 2. As a platform on top of the Linux platform. > > Can the Sugar build be used to create an app bundle to deploy to the app > store? Are there any licensing issues? > > On 2., can someone share their experience, if any, please? > -- > Regards, > > Ravichandran J.V. > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 15:12:16 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:42:16 +0530 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Martin. Btw, where did you deduce the name "Rajiv" from? :) RJv On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that > has the main features of Sugar shell > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 15:31:40 2012 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:31:40 -0500 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sorry! Looks like I misread your name. A faux pass typical of borderline autistic people -- get all the technical details clearly, mess up the other person's name. Hope the technical part was useful. No offense intended. cheers, martin On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:12 PM, RJV wrote: > Thanks, Martin. Btw, where did you deduce the name "Rajiv" from? :) > > RJv > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> >> Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that >> has the main features of Sugar shell > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Ravichandran J.V. > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From jvonau at shaw.ca Tue Dec 11 17:58:11 2012 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:58:11 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Hi all, SKU 296 hand written tag attached when received states C2 olpc-update from pre-installed build 15, rebooted on AC firmware update skipped. Checked battery level in frame 28% was displayed. Offered activity update, was able to de-select activities. Let XO charge for a bit rebooted, firmware updated to Q7B08. Wireless firmware info not available in "about my computer" but wireless works. What's the battery threshold set at in OFW? Looks to be around 30% Didn't connect to ejabberd with a pre-existing registration on the schoolserver that was working pre-upgrade. Didn't expect the welcome activity to appear as this was olpc-update'd. Jerry On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 14:41 +0000, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os18 > > Changes: > > XO-4 kernel fixes: > - Camera works again (#12380) > - DCON and pretty boot works again (#12378), no need to boot in > verbose mode like in build 17 > - Power button works again (#12379) > - USB unreliability should be fixed (#12158) > > Fixed bitfrost problem in activation initramfs (#12376) > > GNOME can be launched on XO-1.75/XO-4 again without error (#12381) > > The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. > > sugar activity updater fixes: > - UI no longer hangs strangely (#12272) > - Select/deselect of specific updates works again (SL#4274) > - Activity group URLs can be modified again (SL#4275) > > sugar-artwork-0.98.1: > - Get back margin of toolbuttons (SL#3936) > - Style GtkProgressBar (SL#4249) > > sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.1 > - Popdown the palette if an item in the content box gets activated > (SL#4191, SL#4253) > - TrayIcon: get the black background and outline for palette popup (SL#4089) > - RadioToolButton: draw the outline properly (SL#3936) > - CanvasIcon: do not keep it ACTIVE when right-click twice (SL#4224) > > sugar-0.98.1 > - Adapt to PaletteMenu changes for popdown on item activation (SL#4191, SL#4253) > - Fix XO-4 all-black screenshots (SL#4104) > - Journal details: make buddies appear (SL#4282) > > Paint-53 > - Fix "Opacity does change while drawing" (SL#4237) > - Fix "Paint cut/paste duplicates first pasted item in top-left > corner." (SL#4250) > > Thanks for any testing and feedback! > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel From quozl at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 18:18:04 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:18:04 +1100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 04:58:11PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: > Hi all, > > SKU 296 hand written tag attached when received states C2 > > olpc-update from pre-installed build 15, rebooted on AC firmware > update skipped. Checked battery level in frame 28% was displayed. > Offered activity update, was able to de-select activities. Let XO > charge for a bit rebooted, firmware updated to Q7B08. Wireless > firmware info not available in "about my computer" but wireless > works. > > What's the battery threshold set at in OFW? Looks to be around 30% No. There is no such threshold in Open Firmware. Open Firmware does not check the state of charge when assessing whether there is enough power for reflashing firmware. Instead, Open Firmware relies on the battery status flags provided by the embedded controller: - external power must be present, - a battery must be present, - the battery low status bit must be cleared. Therefore on your SKU296 the battery low status bit must have been set. Can you provide power logs from the duration of the olpc-update? You can find further information in the embedded controller source, for the bit name bat_low http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-cl4-mmp3/tree/battery.c > > Didn't connect to ejabberd with a pre-existing registration on the > schoolserver that was working pre-upgrade. > > Didn't expect the welcome activity to appear as this was olpc-update'd. > > Jerry > > > > On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 14:41 +0000, Daniel Drake wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os18 > > > > Changes: > > > > XO-4 kernel fixes: > > - Camera works again (#12380) > > - DCON and pretty boot works again (#12378), no need to boot in > > verbose mode like in build 17 > > - Power button works again (#12379) > > - USB unreliability should be fixed (#12158) > > > > Fixed bitfrost problem in activation initramfs (#12376) > > > > GNOME can be launched on XO-1.75/XO-4 again without error (#12381) > > > > The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. > > > > sugar activity updater fixes: > > - UI no longer hangs strangely (#12272) > > - Select/deselect of specific updates works again (SL#4274) > > - Activity group URLs can be modified again (SL#4275) > > > > sugar-artwork-0.98.1: > > - Get back margin of toolbuttons (SL#3936) > > - Style GtkProgressBar (SL#4249) > > > > sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.1 > > - Popdown the palette if an item in the content box gets activated > > (SL#4191, SL#4253) > > - TrayIcon: get the black background and outline for palette popup (SL#4089) > > - RadioToolButton: draw the outline properly (SL#3936) > > - CanvasIcon: do not keep it ACTIVE when right-click twice (SL#4224) > > > > sugar-0.98.1 > > - Adapt to PaletteMenu changes for popdown on item activation (SL#4191, SL#4253) > > - Fix XO-4 all-black screenshots (SL#4104) > > - Journal details: make buddies appear (SL#4282) > > > > Paint-53 > > - Fix "Opacity does change while drawing" (SL#4237) > > - Fix "Paint cut/paste duplicates first pasted item in top-left > > corner." (SL#4250) > > > > Thanks for any testing and feedback! > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel at lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From greenfeld at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 18:42:00 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:42:00 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: My experience is that OFW warns if no external power is present. But it seems to be silent on the main display about the low battery reflash failure condition unless you attempt to reflash firmware from the "ok" prompt, or are not in the TS=SHIP (and therefore in a verbose boot) state. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:18 PM, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 04:58:11PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > SKU 296 hand written tag attached when received states C2 > > > > olpc-update from pre-installed build 15, rebooted on AC firmware > > update skipped. Checked battery level in frame 28% was displayed. > > Offered activity update, was able to de-select activities. Let XO > > charge for a bit rebooted, firmware updated to Q7B08. Wireless > > firmware info not available in "about my computer" but wireless > > works. > > > > What's the battery threshold set at in OFW? Looks to be around 30% > > No. There is no such threshold in Open Firmware. > > Open Firmware does not check the state of charge when assessing > whether there is enough power for reflashing firmware. > > Instead, Open Firmware relies on the battery status flags provided by > the embedded controller: > > - external power must be present, > > - a battery must be present, > > - the battery low status bit must be cleared. > > Therefore on your SKU296 the battery low status bit must have been > set. > > Can you provide power logs from the duration of the olpc-update? > > You can find further information in the embedded controller source, > for the bit name bat_low > > http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-cl4-mmp3/tree/battery.c > > > > > Didn't connect to ejabberd with a pre-existing registration on the > > schoolserver that was working pre-upgrade. > > > > Didn't expect the welcome activity to appear as this was olpc-update'd. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 14:41 +0000, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > > > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os18 > > > > > > Changes: > > > > > > XO-4 kernel fixes: > > > - Camera works again (#12380) > > > - DCON and pretty boot works again (#12378), no need to boot in > > > verbose mode like in build 17 > > > - Power button works again (#12379) > > > - USB unreliability should be fixed (#12158) > > > > > > Fixed bitfrost problem in activation initramfs (#12376) > > > > > > GNOME can be launched on XO-1.75/XO-4 again without error (#12381) > > > > > > The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. > > > > > > sugar activity updater fixes: > > > - UI no longer hangs strangely (#12272) > > > - Select/deselect of specific updates works again (SL#4274) > > > - Activity group URLs can be modified again (SL#4275) > > > > > > sugar-artwork-0.98.1: > > > - Get back margin of toolbuttons (SL#3936) > > > - Style GtkProgressBar (SL#4249) > > > > > > sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.1 > > > - Popdown the palette if an item in the content box gets activated > > > (SL#4191, SL#4253) > > > - TrayIcon: get the black background and outline for palette popup > (SL#4089) > > > - RadioToolButton: draw the outline properly (SL#3936) > > > - CanvasIcon: do not keep it ACTIVE when right-click twice (SL#4224) > > > > > > sugar-0.98.1 > > > - Adapt to PaletteMenu changes for popdown on item activation > (SL#4191, SL#4253) > > > - Fix XO-4 all-black screenshots (SL#4104) > > > - Journal details: make buddies appear (SL#4282) > > > > > > Paint-53 > > > - Fix "Opacity does change while drawing" (SL#4237) > > > - Fix "Paint cut/paste duplicates first pasted item in top-left > > > corner." (SL#4250) > > > > > > Thanks for any testing and feedback! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Devel mailing list > > > Devel at lists.laptop.org > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel at lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenfeld at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 18:45:46 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:45:46 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My experience is that Speak and TamTam work, but Record, Scratch, and eToys do not. I suspect this is either an interface approach or a sampling rate issue. If I try to sample at the wrong rates with arecord & aplay I get no audio back at all. Attempting to change the dmix rate from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz does not solve the problem. On XO-1.75 I believe we resorted to software resampling; I do not know if this is in place for XO-4 or not. Something also seems to be writing over the Mic Gain state as I found it at zero once although it was about a third of the way up when checked earlier in the same boot cycle. Personally I like bumping it up pretty high. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 2012-12-11, at 15:41, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > The Sugar welcome screen activates again on first boot. > > > Not for me ... or maybe it's a different problem. > > Tried to olpc-update my new XO-4 (with XOrduino and XOstick boards! Yay!) > from whatever came pre-installed. After restarting it flashed a new > firmware (twice? didn't pay too much attention) and proceded to boot, > blinking circle od dots, but that stopped at some point and it didn't do > anything visible anymore. No mouse/keyboard/VT switching, so had to > power-cycle. > > On second boot it was fine though, it asked for activity updates, which > worked fine. > > I tried sound in Etoys and Scratch, which didn't work but just made a > screetching noise (after turning up the volume). But Record does the same, > and froze while trying to play back a recorded video, so maybe it's a wider > problem. > > - Bert - > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quozl at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 18:55:06 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:55:06 +1100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20121211235506.GE7024@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 06:42:00PM -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > My experience is that OFW warns if no external power is present. > But it seems to be silent on the main display about the low battery > reflash failure condition unless you attempt to reflash firmware > from the "ok" prompt, or are not in the TS=SHIP (and therefore in a > verbose boot) state. Yes. In normal boot, only the graphic symbols are used; a lightning bolt, a battery, and a yellow unhappy face. These can be reproduced using the command: ok show-no-power No further explanation is given. I presume that is what you mean by silent. I think that is sufficient. In verbose boot, an explanation is also provided. May include words like: "Unsafe to update firmware now - " "No external power" "No battery" "Battery low" -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 20:33:23 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:33:23 +1100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20121212013323.GF7024@us.netrek.org> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:18:04AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 04:58:11PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: > > olpc-update from pre-installed build 15, rebooted on AC firmware > > update skipped. Checked battery level in frame 28% was displayed. ... > > ... > Instead, Open Firmware relies on the battery status flags provided by > the embedded controller: > ... > - the battery low status bit must be cleared. > > Therefore on your SKU296 the battery low status bit must have been > set. > > Can you provide power logs from the duration of the olpc-update? Thanks for the logs off-list, I've reviewed them. You hit a known problem that has since been fixed. The battery low status bit was not necessarily cleared despite charging commencement. This was fixed in http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-cl4-mmp3/commit/?id=f3a823876d2084fd0b22e79f75bfc05f32b7626d which was between EC 0.3.04 and EC 0.3.05. Q7B07 contained the former, and Q7B08 contained the latter. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Tue Dec 11 21:18:53 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:18:53 +1100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <20121212021853.GG7024@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 04:58:11PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: > Wireless firmware info not available in "about my computer" but > wireless works. New wireless module, 802.11n 5 GHz capable, single antenna, but driver does not report firmware version via "ethtool -i", which is what "about my computer" uses ... raised as #12388. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 00:19:18 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:49:18 +0530 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that has the main features of Sugar shell This looks like the nearest to what I hope to achieve - the same experience of the XO on a hand-held device especially the Ad-Hoc networking. Jv On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I'm sorry! Looks like I misread your name. A faux pass typical of > borderline autistic people -- get all the technical details clearly, > mess up the other person's name. > > Hope the technical part was useful. No offense intended. > > cheers, > > > martin > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:12 PM, RJV wrote: > > Thanks, Martin. Btw, where did you deduce the name "Rajiv" from? :) > > > > RJv > > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff < > martin.langhoff at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that > >> has the main features of Sugar shell > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Ravichandran J.V. > > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > > > > -- > martin.langhoff at gmail.com > martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > -- Regards, *Ravichandran J.V.* http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 04:27:03 2012 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:27:03 +0000 Subject: Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:19 AM, RJV wrote: > Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that has the > main features of Sugar shell > > This looks like the nearest to what I hope to achieve - the same experience > of the XO on a hand-held device especially the Ad-Hoc networking. If using Sugar on a handheld tablet style device you might also want to look at running Linux on the tablet device and then you wouldn't need to deal with the sugar side of it at all. Fedora, on which the XO OS is based, for example will run find on a number of tablet devices with some work. With the touch work in the last cycle, that will continue into the next, it might be an option that might yield the same eventual wanted outcome. Peter > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> >> I'm sorry! Looks like I misread your name. A faux pass typical of >> borderline autistic people -- get all the technical details clearly, >> mess up the other person's name. >> >> Hope the technical part was useful. No offense intended. >> >> cheers, >> >> >> martin >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:12 PM, RJV wrote: >> > Thanks, Martin. Btw, where did you deduce the name "Rajiv" from? :) >> > >> > RJv >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Implement a shell -- replacing the standard Android shell -- that >> >> has the main features of Sugar shell >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > >> > Ravichandran J.V. >> > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com >> > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> martin.langhoff at gmail.com >> martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC >> - ask interesting questions >> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first >> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Ravichandran J.V. > http://ravichandranjv.blogspot.com > XO 1.75 - 12.1, 0.96, Build 21, Q4D17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > From jv.ravichandran at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 12:20:42 2012 From: jv.ravichandran at gmail.com (RJV) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:50:42 +0530 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Porting Sugar on Android (Ice cream sandwich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, Prof. Nagarjunaji, I have heard of your device and was really keen on the opportunity to interact with you over it. Of course, I am not one for reinventing the wheel and hence, the possible steps plus I, too, am more in favor of the 2nd option. Though, interestingly, Peter Robinson's suggestion makes a lot of sense of having a Fedora when, anyway, there is Linux under. I will definitely meet up with you in Mumbai when the opportunity comes forth. "....though touchscreen may have some advantages for some activities. Second, Sugar learning platform has plenty of activities to offer which are not available on Android currently." 1. Touchscreen opens up a lot of possibilities by way of creating more touchscreen conducive activities that are culture, locale specific. Enabling Touchscreen event for existing activities does not necessarily leverage the advantage of touch screen in enhancing the existing learning experience and to this regard, I am concerned about the complete picture of enabling a hand-held device to the optimum performance and therefore, this question. 2. Second you totally on the second. Regards, RJv On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, RJV wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We are planning to port Sugar on Android and are faced with these options: >> >> 1. Sugar as an application on Android. >> 2. As a platform on top of the Linux platform. >> >> Can the Sugar build be used to create an app bundle to deploy to the app >> store? Are there any licensing issues? >> >> On 2., can someone share their experience, if any, please? >> > > We are very close to having Sugar on a tablet as well as a armel netbook, > based on A10 chipset. We already have it working through a SD card, we are > now in the process of flashing the internal memory, so that it will work > fast. Almost all the hardware on A10 chipset is working with the linux > kernel without any binary blobs. > > We work in Mumbai. 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Clock: talking clock not talking. Just clocking. typing turtle ok. Chart ok Moa: Browse-147: Google Docs when used with browse complains that Chrome is out of date and suggests upgrading. Creating documents, opening documents works. Right click menu within the document does not work, so you can’t use the spell check. Browse hung immediately after logging in to the ajax version of zimbra. Stop didn’t work from the frame. This wasn’t repeatable. Previously reported as http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3775 On one laptop, while searching the internet Wikipedia with Browse, the whole laptop froze. Ctrl-alt-f2 did not bring up a text console, interestingly the power button did bring the normal shutdown menu and shutdown worked. On one laptop, write repeatedly saved a blank document into the journal, so when you exit and restart your changes are lost. On all the other laptops, it also has trouble starting with failed to start errors appearing before it starts or after you stop it. There are many strange errors in it’s log (attached). Explicit save as rtf works. Get Books can save a book which you can read with Read so the journal itself is at least somewhat working. What is wrong with the failed to start warning? it appears on a regular basis when the activity has actually started. Measure-42 starts the first time after reboot with a reasonable input gain -- quiet noise mostly fills the x-axis. After you stop and start it again the input level is very very low (one or two pixels high in a noisy room and the level control doesn’t work. Rebooting the laptop fixes the problem until you close measure again. This is not a problem with Measure 37.1 on 12.1.0 on XO-1.75 and is a problem with Measure 42 on the same 12.1.0 laptop. Raised http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4288 We see http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4254 is still a problem. On XO-4 measure seems to see some very low level noise when you turn the gain up but no actual signal. Chat is affected by power saving -- messages delayed until the laptop wakes up. They do seem to turn up eventually. In a Chat of 3 laptops on adhoc network 1, one laptop left and joined according to the others. The laptop that left and joined does not show this disturbance in it’s transcript of the conversation. It still seems participate properly after this. Record hung while playing back a recording it had just made. It’s not totally clear how this happened. Log is attached but it doesn’t look very interesting. Jukebox cannot play back recordings made by record. 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Record > freezes at high quality ( http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3775 and also > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11728 ). physics - still have the refresh error > at the top of canvas. memorise ok. Write ok. Ruler ok. Paint: refresh too > slow - get lines when I am drawing curves. Clock: talking clock not talking. > Just clocking. typing turtle ok. Chart ok > > Moa: > Browse-147: Google Docs when used with browse complains that Chrome is out > of date and suggests upgrading. Creating documents, opening documents works. > Right click menu within the document does not work, so you can’t use the > spell check. Browse hung immediately after logging in to the ajax version of > zimbra. Stop didn’t work from the frame. This wasn’t repeatable. Previously > reported as http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3775 > > On one laptop, while searching the internet Wikipedia with Browse, the whole > laptop froze. Ctrl-alt-f2 did not bring up a text console, interestingly the > power button did bring the normal shutdown menu and shutdown worked. > > On one laptop, write repeatedly saved a blank document into the journal, so > when you exit and restart your changes are lost. On all the other laptops, > it also has trouble starting with failed to start errors appearing before it > starts or after you stop it. There are many strange errors in it’s log > (attached). Explicit save as rtf works. > Get Books can save a book which you can read with Read so the journal itself > is at least somewhat working. > > What is wrong with the failed to start warning? it appears on a regular > basis when the activity has actually started. > > Measure-42 starts the first time after reboot with a reasonable input gain > -- quiet noise mostly fills the x-axis. After you stop and start it again > the input level is very very low (one or two pixels high in a noisy room and > the level control doesn’t work. Rebooting the laptop fixes the problem until > you close measure again. This is not a problem with Measure 37.1 on 12.1.0 > on XO-1.75 and is a problem with Measure 42 on the same 12.1.0 laptop. > Raised http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4288 We see > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4254 is still a problem. > On XO-4 measure seems to see some very low level noise when you turn the > gain up but no actual signal. Oops. Fixed these but forgot to ever release the new version. V44 has fixes for both #4288 and #4254. And the low gain problem on XO 4 is corrected with os18. Please test. > > Chat is affected by power saving -- messages delayed until the laptop wakes > up. They do seem to turn up eventually. > In a Chat of 3 laptops on adhoc network 1, one laptop left and joined > according to the others. The laptop that left and joined does not show this > disturbance in it’s transcript of the conversation. It still seems > participate properly after this. > > Record hung while playing back a recording it had just made. It’s not > totally clear how this happened. Log is attached but it doesn’t look very > interesting. > Jukebox cannot play back recordings made by record. > > Karerea xo-1.75 c2 > started and used moon, implode, maze, paint, fototoon, record, ruler, > stopwatch > clock no talking when talking clock enabled > TamTamMini sound very crackly and didn’t improve, really bad playing drum > beats > write had a problem with failed to start message appearing after pressing > stop on the reopened activity from journal > physics works > Memorize has significant graphics corruption, see > https://picasaweb.google.com/118146064923365210751/OlpcTestingAuckland?noredirect=1#5816763453780104962 > Stopping and starting memorize did not fix it, but rebooting the whole > laptop did. This only happened once on Karerea, all the others worked > normally. > Labrythinth works > typing turtle works > The keyboard shortcut image in help still isn’t fixed, but there is updated > content. > Finance works > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org From gonzalo at laptop.org Fri Dec 14 16:04:52 2012 From: gonzalo at laptop.org (Gonzalo Odiard) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:04:52 -0300 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 1 December 2012 In-Reply-To: <50CB8E4D.9030208@carrott.org> References: <50CB8E4D.9030208@carrott.org> Message-ID: Thanks for testing. Paint: refresh too slow - get lines when I am drawing curves. .... > On one laptop, write repeatedly saved a blank document into the journal, > so when you exit and restart your changes are lost. On all the other > laptops, it also has trouble starting with failed to start errors appearing > before it starts or after you stop it. There are many strange errors in > it’s log (attached). Explicit save as rtf works. > If you can retest Paint and Write with os18, I think both issues were solved. Gonzalo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at laptop.org Fri Dec 14 16:48:07 2012 From: richard at laptop.org (Richard A. Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:48:07 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 18 released In-Reply-To: <20121212013323.GF7024@us.netrek.org> References: <1355266691.1021.62.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> <20121211231804.GD7024@us.netrek.org> <20121212013323.GF7024@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <50CB9E97.7090806@laptop.org> On 12/11/2012 08:33 PM, James Cameron wrote: > Thanks for the logs off-list, I've reviewed them. You hit a known > problem that has since been fixed. The battery low status bit was not > necessarily cleared despite charging commencement. > > This was fixed in > http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/rsmith/ec-cl4-mmp3/commit/?id=f3a823876d2084fd0b22e79f75bfc05f32b7626d > > which was between EC 0.3.04 and EC 0.3.05. Q7B07 contained the > former, and Q7B08 contained the latter. I'm going to have re-do that and qualify the clear with a SOC >10 conditional. I've realized that clearing the flag unconditionally bypasses OFW's check to make sure that the battery is not low prior to starting a firmware flash. A battery that was very low but just plugged up to power should still be considered low. -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child From tom at carrott.org Fri Dec 14 20:26:53 2012 From: tom at carrott.org (tom at carrott.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:26:53 +1300 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 Message-ID: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 Who: John, Oliver, Tabitha, Tom Testing Build 13.1.0 build 18 on XO-1.75 and XO-4 Write starts with the writing area unfocused. You have to click or touch it before your typing appears. Selecting copy from the Write menu causes the frame to crash. This manifests in several ways. One way: Start terminal Start Write Click to focus the writing area Select some text Click copy from the menu bar Observe the copy thing appear in the bottom left corner Mouse to a corner to open the frame Select terminal from the frame Observe X restarts Other variations include copying several times, find paste doesn’t work. Find frame hot points don’t work but frame opens with frame key. Clicking on frame icons doesn’t do anything. Stopping Write causes X to restart. Similar behavior when copying and pasting in the terminal including X restarting. This happened every time on both XO-4 and XO-1.75. shell.log is full of angry errors. Wrote the above up on Mark’s ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4317 with log full of angry errors. What does the map in the on screen keyboard do? Paint’s color picker does not work http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4333 Paint is still very slow to update when making a continuous curve. The XO-1.75 is very laggy and the XO-4 is just noticeably laggy. Had paint crash with signal 9 while area filling. Couldn’t install gdb due to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11958 so no backtraces for you. This seems to crash quite easily on XO-1.75 and XO-4. Raised http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4334 Had Hoiho freeze completely after inserting a USB flash drive. Once, we had the sound stop working on an XO-4, this seemed to stop record taking photos. We couldn’t reproduce this. XO-1.75 C2 Mohua Basic tests all pass on - Speak 44, Maze 22, Moon 16, Ruler 23, Stopwatch 18, Chart 8, Implode 15, Record 97, Memorize 43, Tamtam Mini 66, Labyrinth 14, Physics 10, Finance 10, Fototoon 13, Log 32, Terminal 41, Abacus 43 Updated Measure to version 44 and that fixes the issues previously reported Clock 11 - no sound comes out when talking clock enabled, reported this already In Memorize, if there is a picture on the tile and you want to edit it, how do you remove the picture without deleting the tiles? (reason - if you have two tiles to match and want to delete one photo, you don’t currently seem to have this option) Used Browse 148 to download activities, works Write 84 - previously reported failed to start messages. We are still getting these messages, though it did save the writing in the Journal. Log file attached from one of these failed to start but actually started sessions. 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Following are the details of the XO which does not play any sound: Serial Number: CSN74802D48 Firmware: Q2E46 Following are the details of the XO which plays the sound: Serial Number: SHF725004AA Firmware: Q2E45 Has anyone faced a similar issue on XO-1? Is it possible that a higher Firmware version may be the cause ofsu no sound? Would appreciate clarity on this point! Thanks and Regards, Nitika Mangal QA Manager Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gonzalo at laptop.org Sat Dec 15 19:34:40 2012 From: gonzalo at laptop.org (Gonzalo Odiard) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:34:40 -0300 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: Thanks Tom for testing, and specially by filling tickets, is the way to have the issues solved. Gonzalo On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM, wrote: > Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 > Who: John, Oliver, Tabitha, Tom > > Testing Build 13.1.0 build 18 on XO-1.75 and XO-4 > > Write starts with the writing area unfocused. You have to click or touch > it before your typing appears. > > Selecting copy from the Write menu causes the frame to crash. This > manifests in several ways. One way: > > Start terminal > Start Write > Click to focus the writing area > Select some text > Click copy from the menu bar > Observe the copy thing appear in the bottom left corner > Mouse to a corner to open the frame > Select terminal from the frame > Observe X restarts > > Other variations include copying several times, find paste doesn’t work. > Find frame hot points don’t work but frame opens with frame key. > Clicking on frame icons doesn’t do anything. Stopping Write causes X to > restart. > > Similar behavior when copying and pasting in the terminal including X > restarting. > > This happened every time on both XO-4 and XO-1.75. shell.log is full of > angry errors. Wrote the above up on Mark’s ticket > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4317 with log full of angry errors. > > What does the map in the on screen keyboard do? > > Paint’s color picker does not work http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4333 > Paint is still very slow to update when making a continuous curve. The > XO-1.75 is very laggy and the XO-4 is just noticeably laggy. > > Had paint crash with signal 9 while area filling. Couldn’t install gdb > due to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11958 so no backtraces for you. This > seems to crash quite easily on XO-1.75 and XO-4. Raised > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4334 > > Had Hoiho freeze completely after inserting a USB flash drive. > > Once, we had the sound stop working on an XO-4, this seemed to stop > record taking photos. We couldn’t reproduce this. > > XO-1.75 C2 Mohua > Basic tests all pass on - Speak 44, Maze 22, Moon 16, Ruler 23, > Stopwatch 18, Chart 8, Implode 15, Record 97, Memorize 43, Tamtam Mini > 66, Labyrinth 14, Physics 10, Finance 10, Fototoon 13, Log 32, Terminal > 41, Abacus 43 > Updated Measure to version 44 and that fixes the issues previously reported > Clock 11 - no sound comes out when talking clock enabled, reported this > already > In Memorize, if there is a picture on the tile and you want to edit it, > how do you remove the picture without deleting the tiles? (reason - if > you have two tiles to match and want to delete one photo, you don’t > currently seem to have this option) > Used Browse 148 to download activities, works > Write 84 - previously reported failed to start messages. We are still > getting these messages, though it did save the writing in the Journal. > Log file attached from one of these failed to start but actually started > sessions. > Help 15 is STILL missing the keyboard image in the keyboard shortcuts page > Jukebox 29 hard to test with no sample files available, and you can’t get > to the music that Browse has in its media files. Downloading .ogg files > not so easy in Browse, mp3 does not play in Jukebox. Browse repeatedly > crashed on jamendo and wikimedia websites. The notes on Jukebox activity > page on > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4045 don’t give you any > clues as to how to use the activity or what types of files you should > look for. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom at carrott.org Sat Dec 15 20:15:03 2012 From: tom at carrott.org (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:15:03 +1300 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> On 16/12/12 13:34, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Thanks Tom for testing, > and specially by filling tickets, is the way to have the issues solved. I generally only raise tickets if I have a reproducible problem to report. That said, we should probably raise a ticket complaining about the whole "failed to start" problem, where that message appears even though the activity has started. I've never made any sense of this, it happens quite frequently but I have no reliable steps to reproduce. (I looked at the tracker has many failed to start tickets, but I didn't find one that describes this problem.) From greenfeld at laptop.org Sat Dec 15 20:30:54 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:30:54 -0500 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> Message-ID: The most generic ticket I know of is http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2974 . In general the false failed to start report has been a problem for at least as long as I've used Sugar. On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > On 16/12/12 13:34, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> Thanks Tom for testing, >> and specially by filling tickets, is the way to have the issues solved. >> > > I generally only raise tickets if I have a reproducible problem to report. > That said, we should probably raise a ticket complaining about the whole > "failed to start" problem, where that message appears even though the > activity has started. I've never made any sense of this, it happens quite > frequently but I have no reliable steps to reproduce. (I looked at the > tracker has many failed to start tickets, but I didn't find one that > describes this problem.) > > ______________________________**_________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/**listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikus at bga.com Sat Dec 15 23:20:58 2012 From: mikus at bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:20:58 -0600 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> Message-ID: <50CD4C2A.3020205@bga.com> On 12/15/2012 07:15 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > I generally only raise tickets if I have a reproducible problem to > report. That said, we should probably raise a ticket complaining about > the whole "failed to start" problem, where that message appears even > though the activity has started. I've never made any sense of this, it > happens quite frequently but I have no reliable steps to reproduce. (I > looked at the tracker has many failed to start tickets, but I didn't > find one that describes this problem.) I believe the symptom has to do with the presence of multiple windows by an Activity. Sugar starts the initial window - if in time certain things do not happen in that window, the "failed to start" message eventually gets displayed. But if in the meantime the Activity is proceeding in ANOTHER window (e.g., screen) , the eventual message in the initial window is misleading. mikus From tom at carrott.org Sun Dec 16 04:19:27 2012 From: tom at carrott.org (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:19:27 +1300 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <50CD4C2A.3020205@bga.com> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> <50CD2097.2060203@carrott.org> <50CD4C2A.3020205@bga.com> Message-ID: <50CD921F.2090703@carrott.org> On 16/12/12 17:20, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > I believe the symptom has to do with the presence of multiple windows by > an Activity. Sugar starts the initial window - if in time certain > things do not happen in that window, the "failed to start" message > eventually gets displayed. But if in the meantime the Activity is > proceeding in ANOTHER window (e.g., screen) , the eventual message in > the initial window is misleading. Then why do we see this error seemingly randomly? If the activity isn't doing things on it's initial window, then wouldn't it always trigger this bug? Does the shell keep track of the launched process? There are ways for an activity to die immediately on startup but leave the starting screen pulsing for ages followed by a failed to start screen. This would be improved if the shell noticed the launched process was died immediately. Would it help with debugging if it dropped information about what is going on when the failed to start warning is triggered? Something like "launched ... got a & b, but never saw c after n seconds, child process ... still running, backtrace of that process follows". Currently all we can tell you is "... triggered the failed to start but otherwise worked normally" which is apparently insufficient to chase all the bugs out of the system. From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 16 08:58:37 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:58:37 +0000 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 1:26 AM, wrote: > Write starts with the writing area unfocused. You have to click or touch > it before your typing appears. > Selecting copy from the Write menu causes the frame to crash. This > manifests in several ways. The clipboard stuff is indeed crashy and broken at the moment - its a current priority for us to fix it. > What does the map in the on screen keyboard do? Change language. Maybe we can improve the default behaviour in future, especially if there is only one language configured. To configure further languages, go into the Language section of sugar settings. > Had Hoiho freeze completely after inserting a USB flash drive. Was this XO-1.75 or XO-4? To diagnose such failures we really need to reproduce them while a serial console is connected. I know thats not always trivial to have around. > Once, we had the sound stop working on an XO-4, this seemed to stop > record taking photos. We couldn’t reproduce this. Thanks, will keep an eye on it. > Updated Measure to version 44 and that fixes the issues previously reported Good to know, thanks! > Clock 11 - no sound comes out when talking clock enabled, reported this > already Looks like this is being actively worked on in http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4079 > In Memorize, if there is a picture on the tile and you want to edit it, > how do you remove the picture without deleting the tiles? (reason - if > you have two tiles to match and want to delete one photo, you don’t > currently seem to have this option) > Help 15 is STILL missing the keyboard image in the keyboard shortcuts page Filed as http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4337 > Jukebox 29 hard to test with no sample files available, and you can’t get > to the music that Browse has in its media files. Downloading .ogg files > not so easy in Browse, mp3 does not play in Jukebox. Browse repeatedly > crashed on jamendo and wikimedia websites. Media in browse is indeed proving a bit of a pain. But more significantly, do you have any URLs that were crashing Browse? Thanks Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 16 09:02:11 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:02:11 +0000 Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 15 November 2012 In-Reply-To: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> References: <18679d647e0cea9dd3ed2b7d175b8e1f.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 1:26 AM, wrote: > Write starts with the writing area unfocused. You have to click or touch > it before your typing appears. Filed as http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4338 > In Memorize, if there is a picture on the tile and you want to edit it, > how do you remove the picture without deleting the tiles? (reason - if > you have two tiles to match and want to delete one photo, you don’t > currently seem to have this option) I think you should file a ticket for this one. Thanks Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 16 09:35:40 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:35:40 +0000 Subject: Announcing Q2F14 for XO-1 In-Reply-To: References: <20120214033409.GA1885@us.netrek.org> <20120227031726.GA30741@us.netrek.org> <20120321055439.GA3480@us.netrek.org> <20120404014244.GA18129@us.netrek.org> <20120501050623.GA17945@us.netrek.org> <20120518014007.GA22235@us.netrek.org> <20120613072316.GA21423@us.netrek.org> <20120710034943.GA15363@us.netrek.org> <20121124053640.GA7460@us.netrek.org> <20121125205936.GB6078@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> If it is picked up but you don't want it to be ... you could either >> not pull them, or I could hide them, which would you rather? If I >> hide them, there's a risk of neglecting to restore them for >> 13.2.0. > > Added a note to my "to-do next cycle" list, so I don't think I/we will forget. You can also push these to public_rpms now if you like - 13.1.0 is being built from frozen package trees so they won't get included in current builds unless I explicitly make it happen. Thanks Daniel From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 16 11:40:55 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:40:55 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released Message-ID: Hi, A new 13.1.0 development build is available. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os19 Changes: Measure v44 (#12398) - Mic boost fixes on XO-1.75 (SL#4288) - Sine wave mode fixed (SL#4254) XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: - Various wakeup sources work better (keyboard, mouse) - Fixed 8787 wifi suspend/resume XO-4 firmware Q7B09 fixes enable-security (#12392) 1.8v UHS-I SD cards now work on XO-4 (#12385) Thanks for any testing and feedback. Daniel From aschoolf at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 15:49:14 2012 From: aschoolf at gmail.com (Anna) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:49:14 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I verified the md5sum and tried a couple of different USB drives, but after it finishes writing 31019o4.zd, the XO4 throws this out: Blocks/square: 2 Total blocks: 15911 0 36 34 WARNING: The file said highest block 15911 but wrote only as high as block 15903 Anna Schoolfield Birmingham On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os19 > > Changes: > > Measure v44 (#12398) > - Mic boost fixes on XO-1.75 (SL#4288) > - Sine wave mode fixed (SL#4254) > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). 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Regards, --Gary > Anna Schoolfield > Birmingham > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os19 > > Changes: > > Measure v44 (#12398) > - Mic boost fixes on XO-1.75 (SL#4288) > - Sine wave mode fixed (SL#4254) > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: > - Various wakeup sources work better (keyboard, mouse) > - Fixed 8787 wifi suspend/resume > > XO-4 firmware Q7B09 fixes enable-security (#12392) > > 1.8v UHS-I SD cards now work on XO-4 (#12385) > > Thanks for any testing and feedback. > > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel From curiouslee at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 16:03:55 2012 From: curiouslee at gmail.com (Mike Lee) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:03:55 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was able to successfully update, but I saw the same error along the way. I downloaded the .zd image from the link provided onto a Macbook Pro. Then I copied it to a SanDisk USB drive. I took a photo of the error message at the moment the firmware was updating. The XO-4 B1 rebooted into the Sugar welcome screens right after. http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/8278050167/in/photostream Mike On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Gary Martin wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > On 16 Dec 2012, at 20:49, Anna wrote: > > > I verified the md5sum and tried a couple of different USB drives, but > after it finishes writing 31019o4.zd, the XO4 throws this out: > > > > Blocks/square: 2 Total blocks: 15911 0 36 34 > > WARNING: The file said highest block 15911 but wrote only as high as > block 15903 > > Same here, I've tried to download it twice and flash 31019o4.zd on to two > different XO-4 each time with the same error. > > Regards, > --Gary > > > Anna Schoolfield > > Birmingham > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A new 13.1.0 development build is available. > > > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/13.1.0 > > http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os19 > > > > Changes: > > > > Measure v44 (#12398) > > - Mic boost fixes on XO-1.75 (SL#4288) > > - Sine wave mode fixed (SL#4254) > > > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). 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Daniel From aschoolf at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 18:27:04 2012 From: aschoolf at gmail.com (Anna) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:27:04 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gary Martin > wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > > > On 16 Dec 2012, at 20:49, Anna wrote: > > > >> I verified the md5sum and tried a couple of different USB drives, but > after it finishes writing 31019o4.zd, the XO4 throws this out: > >> > >> Blocks/square: 2 Total blocks: 15911 0 36 34 > >> WARNING: The file said highest block 15911 but wrote only as high as > block 15903 > > > > Same here, I've tried to download it twice and flash 31019o4.zd on to > two different XO-4 each time with the same error. > > But apart from this message the new installation works as normal, right? > > Daniel > I am embarrassed to say when it put me back to the ok prompt, I assumed the flashing failed and I just shut it off. 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URL: From garycmartin at googlemail.com Sun Dec 16 18:43:31 2012 From: garycmartin at googlemail.com (Gary Martin) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:43:31 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <329CD55D-0EEB-4657-81EF-70E949203E52@gmail.com> Hi Daniel, On 16 Dec 2012, at 22:41, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gary Martin wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> On 16 Dec 2012, at 20:49, Anna wrote: >> >>> I verified the md5sum and tried a couple of different USB drives, but after it finishes writing 31019o4.zd, the XO4 throws this out: >>> >>> Blocks/square: 2 Total blocks: 15911 0 36 34 >>> WARNING: The file said highest block 15911 but wrote only as high as block 15903 >> >> Same here, I've tried to download it twice and flash 31019o4.zd on to two different XO-4 each time with the same error. > > But apart from this message the new installation works as normal, right? Yes it does boot, though the WARNING message doesn't instil much confidence that everything that should be there, is. I'm away from a high bandwidth connection for the rest of the week (traveling tomorrow), so I hope this os19 install holds up enough for me to continue testing, I'm taking a fallback copy of os18 just in case ;) Regards, --Gary > Daniel From bruno at wolff.to Mon Dec 17 08:36:56 2012 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:36:56 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: <329CD55D-0EEB-4657-81EF-70E949203E52@gmail.com> References: <329CD55D-0EEB-4657-81EF-70E949203E52@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20121217133656.GA21857@wolff.to> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 23:43:31 +0000, Gary Martin wrote: > >Yes it does boot, though the WARNING message doesn't instil much confidence that everything that should be there, is. I'm away from a high bandwidth connection for the rest of the week (traveling tomorrow), so I hope this os19 install holds up enough for me to continue testing, I'm taking a fallback copy of os18 just in case ;) I am having a problem trying to run yum from a gnome window. While downloading packages, yum keeps getting killed. From aschoolf at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 11:42:41 2012 From: aschoolf at gmail.com (Anna) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:42:41 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). > Once of the perks of having an AV contractor in the house is that it wasn't hard to dig up the proper HDMI adaptor. Still mostly the same issue as build 18 as noted in #12350, but under build 19 there's no HDMI output at all after entering boot instead of the TV hanging on the OFW screen while the XO boots. I tried both 720p and 1080p. Anna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pgf at laptop.org Mon Dec 17 12:00:46 2012 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:00:46 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: (sfid-20121217_114246_958652_D81A7FC4) References: (sfid-20121217_114246_958652_D81A7FC4) Message-ID: <20121217170046.955822E8026@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> anna wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). > > > > Once of the perks of having an AV contractor in the house is that it wasn't > hard to dig up the proper HDMI adaptor. Still mostly the same issue as > build 18 as noted in #12350, but under build 19 there's no HDMI output at > all after entering boot instead of the TV hanging on the OFW screen while > the XO boots. > > I tried both 720p and 1080p. i can't tell if you're not getting signal at all, or just in OFW. if the former, and you're using a B1 unit (and i assume you are), then there's a good chance that the cable isn't making contact properly. the jack is mounted just a little too far back from the edge of the motherboard, and so too far from the outside of the laptop. it's only off by a millimeter or so -- if you don't mind trimming just a bit of the rubber encapsulation from around the metal part of the micro-hdmi plug, it should help. (fixed on C1 units) if the latter, and you have signal in OFW but not linux, be sure your upgrade to q7b09 was successful. linux hdmi won't work without it. paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From aschoolf at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 12:13:31 2012 From: aschoolf at gmail.com (Anna) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:13:31 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: <20121217170046.955822E8026@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <20121217170046.955822E8026@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > anna wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > > > > > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). > > > > > > > Once of the perks of having an AV contractor in the house is that it > wasn't > > hard to dig up the proper HDMI adaptor. Still mostly the same issue as > > build 18 as noted in #12350, but under build 19 there's no HDMI output > at > > all after entering boot instead of the TV hanging on the OFW screen > while > > the XO boots. > > > > I tried both 720p and 1080p. > > i can't tell if you're not getting signal at all, or just in OFW. > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I am getting HDMI signal in OFW, but the second it boots to Linux, my TV reports it doesn't have signal. > > if the former, and you're using a B1 unit (and i assume you are), then > there's a good chance that the cable isn't making contact properly. > I do have a B1 unit, but since I'm getting signal in OFW, that would mean the connection is fine. > if the latter, and you have signal in OFW but not linux, be sure your > upgrade to q7b09 was successful. linux hdmi won't work without it. > > Yes, the firmware upgrade to q7b09 was successful. I just doublechecked it to be sure. Has anyone else tested this yet? 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Still mostly the same issue as >> > build 18 as noted in #12350, but under build 19 there's no HDMI output >> at >> > all after entering boot instead of the TV hanging on the OFW screen >> while >> > the XO boots. >> > >> > I tried both 720p and 1080p. >> >> i can't tell if you're not getting signal at all, or just in OFW. >> > > > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I am getting HDMI signal in OFW, but the > second it boots to Linux, my TV reports it doesn't have signal. > This will always happen as the clocks get reset and the signal needs to be resynced. > > >> >> if the former, and you're using a B1 unit (and i assume you are), then >> there's a good chance that the cable isn't making contact properly. >> > > I do have a B1 unit, but since I'm getting signal in OFW, that would mean > the connection is fine. > Not necessarily. There are many pins associated with hdmi. You may be able to generate a signal that works, but the linux connection relies on being able to read the EDID information from the television as well. Without logs we can only guess what is going on. > > >> if the latter, and you have signal in OFW but not linux, be sure your >> upgrade to q7b09 was successful. linux hdmi won't work without it. >> >> > Yes, the firmware upgrade to q7b09 was successful. I just doublechecked > it to be sure. Has anyone else tested this yet? > The B1's have flaky hdmi connectivity at best. Not only were there jack location problems that needed to be addressed, but they were susceptible to ESD causing a failure in the hot-plug detection circuit. These are both reasons why HDMI would fail to work under Linux. -Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sverma at sfsu.edu Mon Dec 17 13:03:00 2012 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:03:00 -0800 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: <20121217170046.955822E8026@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Anna wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Paul Fox wrote: >> >> anna wrote: >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). >> > > >> > >> > Once of the perks of having an AV contractor in the house is that it >> wasn't >> > hard to dig up the proper HDMI adaptor. Still mostly the same issue as >> > build 18 as noted in #12350, but under build 19 there's no HDMI output >> at >> > all after entering boot instead of the TV hanging on the OFW screen >> while >> > the XO boots. >> > >> > I tried both 720p and 1080p. >> >> i can't tell if you're not getting signal at all, or just in OFW. > > > > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I am getting HDMI signal in OFW, but the > second it boots to Linux, my TV reports it doesn't have signal. > >> >> >> if the former, and you're using a B1 unit (and i assume you are), then >> there's a good chance that the cable isn't making contact properly. > > > I do have a B1 unit, but since I'm getting signal in OFW, that would mean > the connection is fine. > >> >> if the latter, and you have signal in OFW but not linux, be sure your >> upgrade to q7b09 was successful. linux hdmi won't work without it. >> > > Yes, the firmware upgrade to q7b09 was successful. I just doublechecked it > to be sure. Has anyone else tested this yet? > > Anna > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > Works for me. https://twitter.com/sameerverma/status/280734184413212673/photo/1/large Sameer From aschoolf at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 13:22:51 2012 From: aschoolf at gmail.com (Anna) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:22:51 -0600 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: <20121217170046.955822E8026@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > Works for me. > https://twitter.com/sameerverma/status/280734184413212673/photo/1/large > > Sameer > Oh, cool! So it's just a problem with my stuff, then. Sameer, do you have a B1 or a C1? Also, I just unplugged and then reinserted the HDMI. Here's what dmesg had to say about that: [ 1315.785220] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1316.108451] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1316.559958] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1316.918433] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1316.922154] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1316.987577] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 1317.980952] work_launch [ 1317.982137] ++++++++++++ hdmi_hpd_work state 4000 hdmi_state 0 If this is looking like an unsolvable issue with the B1, let those of us with those boards know so we don't continue with exercises in futility. Anna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[ 2818.957959] hdmi_hpd_handler [ 2819.940954] work_launch [ 2819.940995] hdmi_ref_clock enabled [ 2820.170959] 1280x720 @ 60 Hz valid mode [ 2820.171011] Adding mode 1280x720 [ 2820.174815] 720x480 @ 59 Hz valid mode [ 2820.182506] Adding mode 720x480 [ 2820.185627] 640x480 @ 60 Hz valid mode [ 2820.185627] Adding mode 640x480 [ 2820.193193] REJECT: 800x600 @ 60 Hz valid mode [ 2820.197603] REJECT: 1024x768 @ 60 Hz valid mode [ 2820.202650] pxa168fb_init_modes [ 2820.202650] pxa168fb: set_screen for fbi 1 [ 2820.205783] surface: xres 1200 xres_z 960 yres 900 yres_z 720 left 160 top 0 [ 2820.219144] Using config for 1280x720 CEA [ 2820.223406] hdmi_video_cfg: mclk_div 0x6 [ 2820.224538] hdmi_video_cfg: hd_en 1 [ 2820.232498] hdmi_video_cfg: I have auto-learned the video frame format [ 2820.232526] ++++++++++++ hdmi_hpd_work state 0 hdmi_state 1 So I've learned my lesson that just because the HDMI appears to work under OFW, it won't necessarily work under Linux. And that the HDMI connector on the B1 board really, truly is set in there weird even if it seems like an unaltered adaptor appears to fit at first. Thanks for all the help. And thanks to Daniel Drake for fixing this in the new build. Anna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humitos at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:40:14 2012 From: humitos at gmail.com (Manuel Kaufmann) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:40:14 -0300 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: Is there some "user guide" about this? I mean, what I need to know to make this work? I have a 32'' LED TV and a 23'' LCD Monitor that I would like to try with the XO-4 HDMI output. Both, the TV and the monitor have this kind of connector[1]. So, should I just need a cable with a mini-HDMI on one side (to be connected in the XO) and a "common" HDMI connector on the other side (to be connected into the TV or Monitor)? Thanks! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_2_sharp_PNr%C2%B00059.jpg -- Kaufmann Manuel -- http://mkaufmann.com.ar From pgf at laptop.org Tue Dec 18 10:48:30 2012 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:48:30 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: (sfid-20121218_104059_763976_D3B6FC29) References: (sfid-20121218_104059_763976_D3B6FC29) Message-ID: <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> manuel wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: > > Is there some "user guide" about this? > > I mean, what I need to know to make this work? I have a 32'' LED TV > and a 23'' LCD Monitor that I would like to try with the XO-4 HDMI > output. Both, the TV and the monitor have this kind of connector[1]. > > So, should I just need a cable with a mini-HDMI on one side (to be > connected in the XO) and a "common" HDMI connector on the other side > (to be connected into the TV or Monitor)? i believe the connector is "micro-HDMI", i.e., type D: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Connectors your assumptions are correct -- hdmi should be auto-detecting under linux. in OFW, you can type "720p" or "1080p" to enable hdmi output. remember that as discussed yesterday on the devel@ list, there are some caveats regarding HDMI on B1 units. paul > > Thanks! > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_2_sharp_PNr%C2%B00059.jpg > > -- > Kaufmann Manuel > -- http://mkaufmann.com.ar > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From wmb at laptop.org Tue Dec 18 10:53:29 2012 From: wmb at laptop.org (Mitch Bradley) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:53:29 -1000 Subject: [Testing] 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: (sfid-20121218_104059_763976_D3B6FC29) <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <50D09179.8060508@laptop.org> On 12/18/2012 5:48 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > manuel wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: > > > > Is there some "user guide" about this? > > > > I mean, what I need to know to make this work? I have a 32'' LED TV > > and a 23'' LCD Monitor that I would like to try with the XO-4 HDMI > > output. Both, the TV and the monitor have this kind of connector[1]. > > > > So, should I just need a cable with a mini-HDMI on one side (to be > > connected in the XO) and a "common" HDMI connector on the other side > > (to be connected into the TV or Monitor)? > > i believe the connector is "micro-HDMI", i.e., type D: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Connectors > > your assumptions are correct -- hdmi should be auto-detecting under linux. > in OFW, you can type "720p" or "1080p" to enable hdmi output. In OFW, you can also say: ok .hdmi That will wait for you to plug in HDMI (thus testing the insertion-detect hardware), read the EDID information (thus testing the DDC lines), and automatically choose either 720p or 1080p depending on what the monitor supports (thus testing the main HDMI signal lines). > > remember that as discussed yesterday on the devel@ list, there are > some caveats regarding HDMI on B1 units. > > paul > > > > > Thanks! > > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_connector-male_2_sharp_PNr%C2%B00059.jpg > > > > -- > > Kaufmann Manuel > > -- http://mkaufmann.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel at lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org > _______________________________________________ > Testing mailing list > Testing at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing > From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:57:28 2012 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:57:28 +0100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > > XO-4 now has HDMI support in Linux (#12350). Other kernel fixes: > > Is there some "user guide" about this? > > I mean, what I need to know to make this work? I have a 32'' LED TV > and a 23'' LCD Monitor that I would like to try with the XO-4 HDMI > output. Both, the TV and the monitor have this kind of connector[1]. > > So, should I just need a cable with a mini-HDMI on one side (to be > connected in the XO) and a "common" HDMI connector on the other side > (to be connected into the TV or Monitor)? > > The cable you need is micro-HDMI to HDMI. As a general rule, HDMI connectors can roughly be broken down like this. full size HDMI - Displays, Set-top boxes (cable, blue-ray, etc), full-size desktops and laptops. mini HDMI - Digital camcorders (there are some other oddball hardware but very rare) micro HDMI - smart phones, tablets, laptops Then if your monitor or TV supports 720p, 1080p, or another CEA standard resolution then things should just work. Note: If you have a B1 XO4 then you will need to cut back the jacket on the micro-hdmi end of the cable so it can plug further into the chassis. Hope that helps. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humitos at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 11:02:05 2012 From: humitos at gmail.com (Manuel Kaufmann) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:02:05 -0300 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > remember that as discussed yesterday on the devel@ list, there are > some caveats regarding HDMI on B1 units. Ok. Hopefully, I will get a C1 next week. I'm a bit confused regarding the cable that I need. If I understand property, I need a Type D ---> Type A HDMI cable. But this line made me think different (from Type D Wikipedia's description): "The pin assignment is different from Type A or C." So, is it not possible to have a Type D on one side and a Type A on the other side? -- Kaufmann Manuel -- http://mkaufmann.com.ar From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 11:05:13 2012 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:05:13 +0100 Subject: 13.1.0 development build 19 released In-Reply-To: References: <20121218154830.BF84D2E8919@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: Type D to Type A is correct. http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Cable-Amazon-Kindle-Tablet/dp/B009A4B6YG/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1355846611&sr=8-10&keywords=micro-hdmi+to+hdmi+cable obviously you can't buy from there, but that is the cable you want. Jon On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Manuel Kaufmann wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > remember that as discussed yesterday on the devel@ list, there are > > some caveats regarding HDMI on B1 units. > > Ok. Hopefully, I will get a C1 next week. > > I'm a bit confused regarding the cable that I need. If I understand > property, I need a Type D ---> Type A HDMI cable. But this line made > me think different (from Type D Wikipedia's description): > > "The pin assignment is different from Type A or C." > > So, is it not possible to have a Type D on one side and a Type A on > the other side? > > -- > Kaufmann Manuel > -- http://mkaufmann.com.ar > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, does this call for raising a bug? Thanks and Regards, Nitika Mangal QA Manager Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenfeld at laptop.org Tue Dec 18 13:16:07 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:16:07 -0500 Subject: [TRANSIENT] Peer XOs NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is enabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It sounds like you are having issues with multicast packet wakeups, which have always been a bit of a sore spot. I presume you are using ad-hoc networking, and have not left the XOs idling to the point they shutdown their screen turns black and the wifi card is turned off (~20 minutes?). If this is with a schoolserver it still could be a known issue but might be worth raising again. Wake-on-LAN behavior with the 8686 wireless card is not as reliable at it should be. XOs need to wake up on multicast events to receive data (multicast DNS) about the network neighborhood, but need to clearly hear such announcements {i.e. no collisions with another data packet}, and sometimes don't get them even if the XO is awake. In crowded cities where there are lots of access points and other computers nearby this becomes more of a problem. And since updates are only sent every few minutes, it could take quite a while for everything to get synched up, with things lost along the way. Schoolservers/Jabber servers use TCP connections, should be retrying at the TCP level, and should not run into these issues unless a XO went fully into suspend (black screen/etc.) with the wifi card off. If a XO is connected to a schoolserver/Jabber it will not show ad-hoc users even if they are on the same network. The ad-hoc networking model definitely could be improved but I do not know if anyone has ever taken up that task. There are several tickets on the subject; I do not recall filing any against 13.1.0 yet though. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM, nitika.mail wrote: > Hi All, > > Peer XOs are NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is > enabled. > > Tested on 31016o2 OLPC Image (Build 16) on two XO-1.75's... one Touch and > the other Non-Touch. Following observations were made: > > 1. Having connected both the XO's to a network, when neighborhood view was > seen on both the XO's, only one XO displayed the other in its neighborhood > view. The second XO was all alone in the neighborhood view. > > 2. At some point, due to suspending an XO (or network re-connect), same > thing can be observed on either of the XO's > > 3. When Power management was disabled and system rebooted, this issue was > not observed. > > 4. This has yet been observed only on XO-1.75's. > > If anyone has observed this issue, please do advise. > > Also, does this call for raising a bug? > > Thanks and Regards, > > Nitika Mangal > QA Manager > Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvonau at shaw.ca Wed Dec 19 01:33:30 2012 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:33:30 -0600 Subject: XO-4 WOL and powerd Message-ID: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Hi All, I can't seem to retrieve what the 8787 wifi card is set to for WOL. All that is returned is link detected with ethtool. Can't tell from here but is wol even getting set? From here it looks like sleeping is being prevented from a quick look at powerd, can someone confirm that sleeping is in fact disabled. Jerry From dsd at laptop.org Wed Dec 19 02:24:31 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:24:31 +0000 Subject: XO-4 WOL and powerd In-Reply-To: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> References: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > I can't seem to retrieve what the 8787 wifi card is set to for WOL. All > that is returned is link detected with ethtool. Can't tell from here but > is wol even getting set? From here it looks like sleeping is being > prevented from a quick look at powerd, can someone confirm that sleeping > is in fact disabled. We don't have WOL support for the 8787 yet. This is being tracked in #12208. Daniel From jvonau at shaw.ca Wed Dec 19 02:33:40 2012 From: jvonau at shaw.ca (Jerry Vonau) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:33:40 -0600 Subject: XO-4 WOL and powerd In-Reply-To: References: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Message-ID: <1355902420.16278.10.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 07:24 +0000, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > > I can't seem to retrieve what the 8787 wifi card is set to for WOL. All > > that is returned is link detected with ethtool. Can't tell from here but > > is wol even getting set? From here it looks like sleeping is being > > prevented from a quick look at powerd, can someone confirm that sleeping > > is in fact disabled. > > We don't have WOL support for the 8787 yet. This is being tracked in #12208. > > Daniel Thanks for the tracker number. Jerry From nitika at activitycentral.com Wed Dec 19 03:33:30 2012 From: nitika at activitycentral.com (nitika.mail) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:03:30 +0530 Subject: [TRANSIENT] Peer XOs NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is enabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Samuel, Thanks for the clarification! Would it be ok to raise a ticket for this issue? Thanks and Regards, Nitika Mangal QA Manager Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > It sounds like you are having issues with multicast packet wakeups, which > have always been a bit of a sore spot. > > I presume you are using ad-hoc networking, and have not left the XOs > idling to the point they shutdown their screen turns black and the wifi > card is turned off (~20 minutes?). If this is with a schoolserver it still > could be a known issue but might be worth raising again. > > Wake-on-LAN behavior with the 8686 wireless card is not as reliable at it > should be. XOs need to wake up on multicast events to receive data > (multicast DNS) about the network neighborhood, but need to clearly hear > such announcements {i.e. no collisions with another data packet}, and > sometimes don't get them even if the XO is awake. In crowded cities where > there are lots of access points and other computers nearby this becomes > more of a problem. > > And since updates are only sent every few minutes, it could take quite a > while for everything to get synched up, with things lost along the way. > > Schoolservers/Jabber servers use TCP connections, should be retrying at > the TCP level, and should not run into these issues unless a XO went fully > into suspend (black screen/etc.) with the wifi card off. If a XO is > connected to a schoolserver/Jabber it will not show ad-hoc users even if > they are on the same network. > > The ad-hoc networking model definitely could be improved but I do not know > if anyone has ever taken up that task. > > There are several tickets on the subject; I do not recall filing any > against 13.1.0 yet though. > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:40 PM, nitika.mail wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Peer XOs are NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is >> enabled. >> >> Tested on 31016o2 OLPC Image (Build 16) on two XO-1.75's... one Touch and >> the other Non-Touch. Following observations were made: >> >> 1. Having connected both the XO's to a network, when neighborhood view >> was seen on both the XO's, only one XO displayed the other in its >> neighborhood view. The second XO was all alone in the neighborhood view. >> >> 2. At some point, due to suspending an XO (or network re-connect), same >> thing can be observed on either of the XO's >> >> 3. When Power management was disabled and system rebooted, this issue was >> not observed. >> >> 4. This has yet been observed only on XO-1.75's. >> >> If anyone has observed this issue, please do advise. >> >> Also, does this call for raising a bug? >> >> Thanks and Regards, >> >> Nitika Mangal >> QA Manager >> Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel at lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Think I found the problem, in powerd we're setting WOL based on this string: if grep -qi ": 00000000:14B2" /proc/net/tcp but that string is not present in /proc/net/tcp so WOL is not set according to ethtool, but that string can be found in /proc/net/tcp6 avahi is bound to tcp6 when viewed with 'netstat -nat' This is reproducible in 12.1.0 and 13.1.0 Jerry From pgf at laptop.org Wed Dec 19 07:36:47 2012 From: pgf at laptop.org (Paul Fox) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:36:47 -0500 Subject: XO-4 WOL and powerd In-Reply-To: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> (sfid-20121219_013333_643223_DE0D95C5) References: <1355898810.16278.9.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> (sfid-20121219_013333_643223_DE0D95C5) Message-ID: <20121219123647.233252E81FD@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> jerry wrote: > Hi All, > > I can't seem to retrieve what the 8787 wifi card is set to for WOL. All > that is returned is link detected with ethtool. Can't tell from here but WOL isn't implemented in the 8787 driver yet. > is wol even getting set? From here it looks like sleeping is being > prevented from a quick look at powerd, can someone confirm that sleeping > is in fact disabled. powerd currently won't let the system suspend, since suspend doesn't yet work reliably enough. search for "prevent_sleep", if you want to reenable it. (but be prepared for lots of hangs and crashes.) paul > > Jerry > > =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at laptop.org From martin.langhoff at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:16 2012 From: martin.langhoff at gmail.com (Martin Langhoff) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:48:16 -0500 Subject: [TRANSIENT] Peer XOs NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is enabled In-Reply-To: <1355912051.16278.20.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> References: <1355912051.16278.20.camel@F14jerry.home.vonau.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > Think I found the problem, in powerd we're setting WOL based on this > string: > > if grep -qi ": 00000000:14B2" /proc/net/tcp > > but that string is not present in /proc/net/tcp so WOL is not set > according to ethtool, but that string can be found in /proc/net/tcp6 > > avahi is bound to tcp6 when viewed with 'netstat -nat' > > This is reproducible in 12.1.0 and 13.1.0 Arghhh. Ouch. Does it behave better with: if grep -qi ": 00000000:14B2" /proc/net/tcp* ? m -- martin.langhoff at gmail.com martin at laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff From ajay at activitycentral.com Wed Dec 19 17:07:47 2012 From: ajay at activitycentral.com (Ajay Garg) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 03:37:47 +0530 Subject: Locations for bitfrost src-rpm packages Message-ID: Hi all. Where can I find the corresponding source-rpm packages, for :: * http://rpmdropbox.laptop.org/f18/bitfrost-1.0.18-1.fc18.armv7hl.rpm AND * http://rpmdropbox.laptop.org/f18/bitfrost-sugar-1.0.18-1.fc18.armv7hl.rpm Thanks in advance !! :) Regards, Ajay Garg Dextrose Developer Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All three of your answers provided me the maximum cumulative information possible. Thanks a ton !! :) On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 03:37 +0530, Ajay Garg wrote: > >> Hi all. > >> > >> Where can I find the corresponding source-rpm packages, for :: > >> > >> * > >> http://rpmdropbox.laptop.org/f18/bitfrost-1.0.18-1.fc18.armv7hl.rpm > >> AND > >> * > >> > http://rpmdropbox.laptop.org/f18/bitfrost-sugar-1.0.18-1.fc18.armv7hl.rpm > >> > >> > > > > These are in Fedora proper for i686 but looks like not in fedora's ARM > > repo. > > > > > http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/testing/18/SRPMS/bitfrost-1.0.18-1.fc18.src.rpm > > They are the same, there's no separation between ARM and i686 when it > comes to the Fedora src.rpm > > Peter > Regards, Ajay Garg Dextrose Developer Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dsd at laptop.org Sat Dec 22 11:13:56 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:13:56 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 release candidate 1 (build 20) released Message-ID: Hi, We're pleased to announce our first release candidate of our new 13.1.0 software release. Information and installation instructions can be found here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.1.0 Quick links for those who know which files need to be grabbed and save to USB disks: http://download.laptop.org/xo-4/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.75/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.5/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ This is a signed release candidate that can be installed on all XOs, even those with security enabled. We're looking for testing and feedback on all aspects of the system. Thanks for any help you can offer, and for all the feedback that was received throughout development. Our scheduled release date is January 7th. Please review the "Known problems" section of the release notes. Some documented issues are carried over from previous releases, but others are new and are things that we will aim to fix in the few weeks before release. Compared to the last 13.1.0 development release (build 19), we have fixed: Clock-12 fixes broken talking clock mode (SL#4079) Physics-11 fixes broken input in activity title area (SL#4193) Write now works again on XO-1/XO-1.5 (#12412) sugar-0.98.2: - Icons on the neighborhood screen should not collide as often with the central buddy (SL#3944) - Buddy icon layout on the journal list view should be fixed (SL#4331, SL#4335) - "Send to friend" file transfer is working again (SL#4242) - The Journal no longer crashes when dealing with right-to-left languages (SL#4328) - Modem connections should now complete successfully (SL#4255) - Clicking on activity icons in the neighborhood view works again (SL#4283) - alt-tab switching through activities now works again (SL#3895) sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.2: - Bookmark tray layout in Browse is fixed (SL#4279) - Icons in the Journal's Documents views are no longer incorrect (SL#4276) - Border in the pop-up palette menus is no longer inconsistent (SL#4295) sugar-artwork-0.98.2 fixes the appearance of the journal's favorite icon (SL#4304). sugar-datastore-0.98.1 fixes bad activity ordering in the journal (SL#4305) Clipboard operation in Sugar is still not working right, but we have included the gtk3 and pygobject3 fundamental fixes from SL#4307; hopefully we're not far from finishing this. A bug where the mouse cursor would frequently disappear has been solved (#12411). Note that it is normal and intended for the mouse cursor to disappear when using the XO-4 touchscreen. XO-4 .zd file no longer produces a strange warning upon flashing (#12402) Audacity no longer causes a kernel crash on XO-4 (#12367) I accidently missed the latest handful of XO-4 kernel commits in this build; I'll be sure to include the latest one in the next build, which is not far off. Thanks! Daniel From quozl at laptop.org Sun Dec 23 15:49:06 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:49:06 +1100 Subject: Announcing Q2F14 for XO-1 In-Reply-To: References: <20120404014244.GA18129@us.netrek.org> <20120501050623.GA17945@us.netrek.org> <20120518014007.GA22235@us.netrek.org> <20120613072316.GA21423@us.netrek.org> <20120710034943.GA15363@us.netrek.org> <20121124053640.GA7460@us.netrek.org> <20121125205936.GB6078@us.netrek.org> Message-ID: <20121223204906.GA29035@us.netrek.org> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 02:35:40PM +0000, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > >> If it is picked up but you don't want it to be ... you could either > >> not pull them, or I could hide them, which would you rather? If I > >> hide them, there's a risk of neglecting to restore them for > >> 13.2.0. > > > > Added a note to my "to-do next cycle" list, so I don't think I/we > > will forget. > > You can also push these to public_rpms now if you like - 13.1.0 is > being built from frozen package trees so they won't get included in > current builds unless I explicitly make it happen. Pushed, thanks. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sun Dec 23 17:21:05 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:21:05 +1100 Subject: [TRANSIENT] Peer XOs NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management is enabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121223222105.GC29035@us.netrek.org> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:10:25PM +0530, nitika.mail wrote: > Peer XOs are NOT shown in Neighborhood view when Power Management > is enabled. As has already been said, there are known causes of this. There is also another cause not mentioned; damage to a single antenna. When no school server is used, the peer XOs are shown in Neighbourhood View as a result of broadcast network packets. These packets are transmitted by the access point without negotiation, and this forces the wireless card to skip choosing the best receiving antenna. If the right antenna is damaged, or the coax cable is twisted, then this can show up as conflicting symptoms: (a) good downloads and browsing, but (b) peer XOs not shown. To exclude this possible cause, test both antennas. If both antennas are working correctly, then this is not a cause of the problem. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Antenna_testing describes antenna test tools. You must reflash to Open Firmware Q4D25 first, given that 31016O2 contains only Q4D24. Always test antennas of an unknown laptop before testing collaboration. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From greenfeld at laptop.org Mon Dec 24 12:46:12 2012 From: greenfeld at laptop.org (Samuel Greenfeld) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:46:12 -0500 Subject: 13.1.0 release candidate 1 (build 20) released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I looked at os20 on Friday as well as over the weekend, and in general we are getting a bit more stable and closer to release. Measure on XO-1.75 needs to not record while playing tuning tones as the current Linux sound driver on XO-1.75 cannot simulaneously playback and record (SL #4353). XO-4 audio also still needs work. I did see the failure to wake on multicast issue with a bunch of XOs at home where the network environment was quieter, so I will research potential fixes there. If you are looking to verify antitheft on XO-4, please make sure to have Q7B09 or higher installed. Also note that OLPCs automated license key server does not know about XO-4s yet, so please stick to simulated testing or using your own custom keys for now. --- SJG On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > Hi, > > We're pleased to announce our first release candidate of our new > 13.1.0 software release. > > Information and installation instructions can be found here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.1.0 > > Quick links for those who know which files need to be grabbed and save > to USB disks: > http://download.laptop.org/xo-4/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ > http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.75/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ > http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.5/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ > http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/13.1.0-20/ > > This is a signed release candidate that can be installed on all XOs, > even those with security enabled. > > We're looking for testing and feedback on all aspects of the system. > Thanks for any help you can offer, and for all the feedback that was > received throughout development. > > Our scheduled release date is January 7th. > > Please review the "Known problems" section of the release notes. Some > documented issues are carried over from previous releases, but others > are new and are things that we will aim to fix in the few weeks before > release. > > Compared to the last 13.1.0 development release (build 19), we have fixed: > > Clock-12 fixes broken talking clock mode (SL#4079) > > Physics-11 fixes broken input in activity title area (SL#4193) > > Write now works again on XO-1/XO-1.5 (#12412) > > sugar-0.98.2: > - Icons on the neighborhood screen should not collide as often with > the central buddy (SL#3944) > - Buddy icon layout on the journal list view should be fixed (SL#4331, > SL#4335) > - "Send to friend" file transfer is working again (SL#4242) > - The Journal no longer crashes when dealing with right-to-left > languages (SL#4328) > - Modem connections should now complete successfully (SL#4255) > - Clicking on activity icons in the neighborhood view works again (SL#4283) > - alt-tab switching through activities now works again (SL#3895) > > sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.2: > - Bookmark tray layout in Browse is fixed (SL#4279) > - Icons in the Journal's Documents views are no longer incorrect (SL#4276) > - Border in the pop-up palette menus is no longer inconsistent (SL#4295) > > sugar-artwork-0.98.2 fixes the appearance of the journal's favorite > icon (SL#4304). > > sugar-datastore-0.98.1 fixes bad activity ordering in the journal (SL#4305) > > Clipboard operation in Sugar is still not working right, but we have > included the gtk3 and pygobject3 fundamental fixes from SL#4307; > hopefully we're not far from finishing this. > > A bug where the mouse cursor would frequently disappear has been > solved (#12411). Note that it is normal and intended for the mouse > cursor to disappear when using the XO-4 touchscreen. > > XO-4 .zd file no longer produces a strange warning upon flashing (#12402) > > Audacity no longer causes a kernel crash on XO-4 (#12367) > > > I accidently missed the latest handful of XO-4 kernel commits in this > build; I'll be sure to include the latest one in the next build, which > is not far off. > > Thanks! > Daniel > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20121225.134240.1701278713983711338.davem@davemloft.net> References: <20121225.134240.1701278713983711338.davem@davemloft.net> Message-ID: FYI, * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, sat_IN, and szl_PL. ayc_PE is the Aymara locale developed with our Peruvian collaborators. niu_NU and niu_NZ are Niuean locales I developed in collaboration with Internet Niue. When we we incorporate this version we may need to make some adjustments in the locale workarounds we have built into Sugar. cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Miller Date: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM Subject: The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. To: libc-alpha at sourceware.org, libc-announce at sourceware.org, info-gnu at gnu.org The GNU C Library ================= The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. The GNU C Library is used as *the* C library in the GNU systems and most systems with the Linux kernel. The GNU C Library is primarily designed to be a portable and high performance C library. It follows all relevant standards including ISO C11 and POSIX.1-2008. It is also internationalized and has one of the most complete internationalization interfaces known. The GNU C Library webpage is at http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ Packages for the 2.17 release may be downloaded from: http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/libc/ http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libc/ The mirror list is at http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html NEWS for version 2.17 ==================== * The following bugs are resolved with this release: 1349, 3439, 3479, 3665, 5044, 5246, 5298, 5400, 6530, 6677, 6778, 6808, 9685, 9914, 10014, 10038, 10114, 10631, 10873, 11438, 11607, 11638, 11741, 12140, 13013, 13412, 13542, 13601, 13603, 13604, 13629, 13679, 13696, 13698, 13717, 13741, 13759, 13761, 13763, 13881, 13939, 13950, 13952, 13966, 14042, 14047, 14090, 14150, 14151, 14152, 14154, 14157, 14166, 14173, 14195, 14197, 14237, 14246, 14251, 14252, 14283, 14298, 14303, 14307, 14328, 14331, 14336, 14337, 14347, 14349, 14368, 14376, 14417, 14447, 14459, 14476, 14477, 14501, 14505, 14510, 14516, 14518, 14519, 14530, 14532, 14538, 14543, 14544, 14545, 14557, 14562, 14568, 14576, 14579, 14583, 14587, 14595, 14602, 14610, 14621, 14638, 14645, 14648, 14652, 14660, 14661, 14669, 14672, 14683, 14694, 14716, 14719, 14743, 14767, 14783, 14784, 14785, 14793, 14796, 14797, 14801, 14803, 14805, 14807, 14811, 14815, 14821, 14822, 14824, 14828, 14831, 14833, 14835, 14838, 14856, 14863, 14865, 14866, 14868, 14869, 14871, 14872, 14879, 14889, 14893, 14898, 14914. * Optimization of memcpy for MIPS. * CVE-2011-4609 svc_run() produces high cpu usage when accept fails with EMFILE has been fixed (Bugzilla #14889). * The add-on ports collection is now distributed in the "ports" subdirectory of the main GNU C Library distribution, rather than separately. * Port to ARM AArch64 contributed by Linaro. * Support for STT_GNU_IFUNC symbols added for s390 and s390x. Optimized versions of memcpy, memset, and memcmp added for System z10 and zEnterprise z196. Implemented by Andreas Krebbel. * The new function secure_getenv allows secure access to the environment, returning NULL if running in a SUID/SGID process. This function replaces the internal function __secure_getenv. * SystemTap static probes have been added into the dynamic linker. Implemented by Gary Benson. * Optimizations of string functions strstr, strcasestr and memmem. Implemented by Maxim Kuvyrkov. * The minimum Linux kernel version that this version of the GNU C Library can be used with is 2.6.16. * Optimizations of string functions memchr, wcschr, wcscpy, and wcsrchr for powerpc POWER7. Implemented by Will Schmidt. * New configure option --disable-nscd builds the C library such that it never attempts to contact the Name Service Caching Daemon (nscd). New configure option --disable-build-nscd avoids building nscd itself; this is the default if --disable-nscd is used. * Improved support for cross-compilation, including cross-testing and bootstrap builds without a previously built glibc. * Several testsuite tests are now able to test multiple IFUNC variants of an interface, rather than just testing the one that would be chooen by default. * New configure options --with-bugurl and --with-pkgversion, for distributors to use to embed their bug-reporting and package version information in --help and --version output. * The ttyname and ttyname_r functions on Linux now fall back to searching for the tty file descriptor in /dev/pts or /dev if /proc is not available. This allows creation of chroots without the procfs mounted on /proc. * The `crypt' function now fails if passed salt bytes that violate the specification for those values. On Linux, the `crypt' function will consult /proc/sys/crypto/fips_enabled to determine if "FIPS mode" is enabled, and fail on encrypted strings using the MD5 or DES algorithm when the mode is enabled. * The `clock_*' suite of functions (declared in ) is now available directly in the main C library. Previously it was necessary to link with -lrt to use these functions. This change has the effect that a single-threaded program that uses a function such as `clock_gettime' (and is not linked with -lrt) will no longer implicitly load the pthreads library at runtime and so will not suffer the overheads associated with multi-thread support in other code such as the C++ runtime library. * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, sat_IN, and szl_PL. Contributors ============ This release was made possible by the contributions of many people. The maintainers are grateful to everyone who has contributed changes or bug reports. These include: Adam Conrad Adhemerval Zanella Alan Modra Alexander Kanevskiy Alexandre Oliva Allan McRae Andreas Jaeger Andreas Krebbel Andreas Schwab Andrej Lajovic Andrew Haley Andrew Stubbs Aurelien Jarno Benno Schulenberg Brendan Kehoe Carlos O'Donell Chandrakala Chavva Chris Leonard Chris Metcalf Daniel Gutson Daniel Jacobowitz David Alan Gilbert David S. Miller Dmitry V. Levin Eagle Burkut Florian Pritz Florian Weimer GOTO Masanori Gary Benson Greg McGary Guido Guenther H.J. Lu Jakub Jelinek Jeff Bailey Jeff Law Jeroen van Bemmel Jim Blandy Jim Meyering John Tobey Jonathan Nieder Joseph Myers Julian Brown Ken Werner Khem Raj Konstantinos Margaritis Liubov Dmitrieva Luis Machado Manjunath Matti Marcus Shawcroft Marek Polacek Mark Salter Marko Myllynen Markus Trippelsdorf Matt Turner Maxim Kuvyrkov Michael Cree Michael Hope Mike Frysinger Mike Hommey Mischa Jonker Nathan Froyd Nathan Sidwell Nik Kalach Paul Brook Paul Eggert Peng Haitao Petar Jovanovic Peter Green Petr Machata Phil Blundell Philip Blundell Pino Toscano Pravin Satpute Ramana Radhakrishnan Richard Henderson Richard Sandiford Robert Millan Roland McGrath Ryan S. Arnold Ryosei Takagi Samuel Thibault Sebastan Andrzej Siewior Siddhesh Poyarekar Steve Ellcey Steve McIntyre Thomas Bushnell, BSG Thomas Schwinge Thorsten Glaser Tom de Vries Torbjorn Granlund Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho Ulrich Drepper Ulrich Weigand Viju Vincent Will Schmidt From pbrobinson at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 05:43:11 2012 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:43:11 +0000 Subject: The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. In-Reply-To: References: <20121225.134240.1701278713983711338.davem@davemloft.net> Message-ID: It will land in Fedora 19 so it will be when we rebase to that. Peter On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Chris Leonard wrote: > FYI, > > * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, > sat_IN, and szl_PL. > > > ayc_PE is the Aymara locale developed with our Peruvian collaborators. > niu_NU and niu_NZ are Niuean locales I developed in collaboration > with Internet Niue. > > When we we incorporate this version we may need to make some > adjustments in the locale workarounds we have built into Sugar. > > cjl > Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Miller > Date: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM > Subject: The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. > To: libc-alpha at sourceware.org, libc-announce at sourceware.org, info-gnu at gnu.org > > > > The GNU C Library > ================= > > The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. > > The GNU C Library is used as *the* C library in the GNU systems > and most systems with the Linux kernel. > > The GNU C Library is primarily designed to be a portable > and high performance C library. It follows all relevant > standards including ISO C11 and POSIX.1-2008. It is also > internationalized and has one of the most complete > internationalization interfaces known. > > The GNU C Library webpage is at http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ > > Packages for the 2.17 release may be downloaded from: > http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/libc/ > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libc/ > > The mirror list is at http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html > > NEWS for version 2.17 > ==================== > > * The following bugs are resolved with this release: > > 1349, 3439, 3479, 3665, 5044, 5246, 5298, 5400, 6530, 6677, 6778, 6808, > 9685, 9914, 10014, 10038, 10114, 10631, 10873, 11438, 11607, 11638, 11741, > 12140, 13013, 13412, 13542, 13601, 13603, 13604, 13629, 13679, 13696, > 13698, 13717, 13741, 13759, 13761, 13763, 13881, 13939, 13950, 13952, > 13966, 14042, 14047, 14090, 14150, 14151, 14152, 14154, 14157, 14166, > 14173, 14195, 14197, 14237, 14246, 14251, 14252, 14283, 14298, 14303, > 14307, 14328, 14331, 14336, 14337, 14347, 14349, 14368, 14376, 14417, > 14447, 14459, 14476, 14477, 14501, 14505, 14510, 14516, 14518, 14519, > 14530, 14532, 14538, 14543, 14544, 14545, 14557, 14562, 14568, 14576, > 14579, 14583, 14587, 14595, 14602, 14610, 14621, 14638, 14645, 14648, > 14652, 14660, 14661, 14669, 14672, 14683, 14694, 14716, 14719, 14743, > 14767, 14783, 14784, 14785, 14793, 14796, 14797, 14801, 14803, 14805, > 14807, 14811, 14815, 14821, 14822, 14824, 14828, 14831, 14833, 14835, > 14838, 14856, 14863, 14865, 14866, 14868, 14869, 14871, 14872, 14879, > 14889, 14893, 14898, 14914. > > * Optimization of memcpy for MIPS. > > * CVE-2011-4609 svc_run() produces high cpu usage when accept fails with > EMFILE has been fixed (Bugzilla #14889). > > * The add-on ports collection is now distributed in the "ports" subdirectory > of the main GNU C Library distribution, rather than separately. > > * Port to ARM AArch64 contributed by Linaro. > > * Support for STT_GNU_IFUNC symbols added for s390 and s390x. > Optimized versions of memcpy, memset, and memcmp added for System z10 and > zEnterprise z196. > Implemented by Andreas Krebbel. > > * The new function secure_getenv allows secure access to the environment, > returning NULL if running in a SUID/SGID process. This function replaces > the internal function __secure_getenv. > > * SystemTap static probes have been added into the dynamic linker. > Implemented by Gary Benson. > > * Optimizations of string functions strstr, strcasestr and memmem. > Implemented by Maxim Kuvyrkov. > > * The minimum Linux kernel version that this version of the GNU C Library > can be used with is 2.6.16. > > * Optimizations of string functions memchr, wcschr, wcscpy, and wcsrchr for > powerpc POWER7. Implemented by Will Schmidt. > > * New configure option --disable-nscd builds the C library such that it > never attempts to contact the Name Service Caching Daemon (nscd). > New configure option --disable-build-nscd avoids building nscd itself; > this is the default if --disable-nscd is used. > > * Improved support for cross-compilation, including cross-testing and > bootstrap builds without a previously built glibc. > > * Several testsuite tests are now able to test multiple IFUNC variants of an > interface, rather than just testing the one that would be chooen by > default. > > * New configure options --with-bugurl and --with-pkgversion, for > distributors to use to embed their bug-reporting and package version > information in --help and --version output. > > * The ttyname and ttyname_r functions on Linux now fall back to searching for > the tty file descriptor in /dev/pts or /dev if /proc is not available. This > allows creation of chroots without the procfs mounted on /proc. > > * The `crypt' function now fails if passed salt bytes that violate the > specification for those values. On Linux, the `crypt' function will > consult /proc/sys/crypto/fips_enabled to determine if "FIPS mode" is > enabled, and fail on encrypted strings using the MD5 or DES algorithm > when the mode is enabled. > > * The `clock_*' suite of functions (declared in ) is now available > directly in the main C library. Previously it was necessary to link with > -lrt to use these functions. This change has the effect that a > single-threaded program that uses a function such as `clock_gettime' (and > is not linked with -lrt) will no longer implicitly load the pthreads > library at runtime and so will not suffer the overheads associated with > multi-thread support in other code such as the C++ runtime library. > > * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, > sat_IN, and szl_PL. > > Contributors > ============ > > This release was made possible by the contributions of many people. > The maintainers are grateful to everyone who has contributed > changes or bug reports. These include: > > Adam Conrad > Adhemerval Zanella > Alan Modra > Alexander Kanevskiy > Alexandre Oliva > Allan McRae > Andreas Jaeger > Andreas Krebbel > Andreas Schwab > Andrej Lajovic > Andrew Haley > Andrew Stubbs > Aurelien Jarno > Benno Schulenberg > Brendan Kehoe > Carlos O'Donell > Chandrakala Chavva > Chris Leonard > Chris Metcalf > Daniel Gutson > Daniel Jacobowitz > David Alan Gilbert > David S. Miller > Dmitry V. Levin > Eagle Burkut > Florian Pritz > Florian Weimer > GOTO Masanori > Gary Benson > Greg McGary > Guido Guenther > H.J. Lu > Jakub Jelinek > Jeff Bailey > Jeff Law > Jeroen van Bemmel > Jim Blandy > Jim Meyering > John Tobey > Jonathan Nieder > Joseph Myers > Julian Brown > Ken Werner > Khem Raj > Konstantinos Margaritis > Liubov Dmitrieva > Luis Machado > Manjunath Matti > Marcus Shawcroft > Marek Polacek > Mark Salter > Marko Myllynen > Markus Trippelsdorf > Matt Turner > Maxim Kuvyrkov > Michael Cree > Michael Hope > Mike Frysinger > Mike Hommey > Mischa Jonker > Nathan Froyd > Nathan Sidwell > Nik Kalach > Paul Brook > Paul Eggert > Peng Haitao > Petar Jovanovic > Peter Green > Petr Machata > Phil Blundell > Philip Blundell > Pino Toscano > Pravin Satpute > Ramana Radhakrishnan > Richard Henderson > Richard Sandiford > Robert Millan > Roland McGrath > Ryan S. Arnold > Ryosei Takagi > Samuel Thibault > Sebastan Andrzej Siewior > Siddhesh Poyarekar > Steve Ellcey > Steve McIntyre > Thomas Bushnell, BSG > Thomas Schwinge > Thorsten Glaser > Tom de Vries > Torbjorn Granlund > Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho > Ulrich Drepper > Ulrich Weigand > Viju Vincent > Will Schmidt > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel From gonzalo at laptop.org Wed Dec 26 06:16:55 2012 From: gonzalo at laptop.org (Gonzalo Odiard) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:16:55 -0300 Subject: The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. In-Reply-To: References: <20121225.134240.1701278713983711338.davem@davemloft.net> Message-ID: Good job! Gonzalo On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Chris Leonard wrote: > FYI, > > * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, > sat_IN, and szl_PL. > > > ayc_PE is the Aymara locale developed with our Peruvian collaborators. > niu_NU and niu_NZ are Niuean locales I developed in collaboration > with Internet Niue. > > When we we incorporate this version we may need to make some > adjustments in the locale workarounds we have built into Sugar. > > cjl > Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Miller > Date: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM > Subject: The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. > To: libc-alpha at sourceware.org, libc-announce at sourceware.org, > info-gnu at gnu.org > > > > The GNU C Library > ================= > > The GNU C Library version 2.17 is now available. > > The GNU C Library is used as *the* C library in the GNU systems > and most systems with the Linux kernel. > > The GNU C Library is primarily designed to be a portable > and high performance C library. It follows all relevant > standards including ISO C11 and POSIX.1-2008. It is also > internationalized and has one of the most complete > internationalization interfaces known. > > The GNU C Library webpage is at http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ > > Packages for the 2.17 release may be downloaded from: > http://ftpmirror.gnu.org/libc/ > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/libc/ > > The mirror list is at http://www.gnu.org/order/ftp.html > > NEWS for version 2.17 > ==================== > > * The following bugs are resolved with this release: > > 1349, 3439, 3479, 3665, 5044, 5246, 5298, 5400, 6530, 6677, 6778, 6808, > 9685, 9914, 10014, 10038, 10114, 10631, 10873, 11438, 11607, 11638, > 11741, > 12140, 13013, 13412, 13542, 13601, 13603, 13604, 13629, 13679, 13696, > 13698, 13717, 13741, 13759, 13761, 13763, 13881, 13939, 13950, 13952, > 13966, 14042, 14047, 14090, 14150, 14151, 14152, 14154, 14157, 14166, > 14173, 14195, 14197, 14237, 14246, 14251, 14252, 14283, 14298, 14303, > 14307, 14328, 14331, 14336, 14337, 14347, 14349, 14368, 14376, 14417, > 14447, 14459, 14476, 14477, 14501, 14505, 14510, 14516, 14518, 14519, > 14530, 14532, 14538, 14543, 14544, 14545, 14557, 14562, 14568, 14576, > 14579, 14583, 14587, 14595, 14602, 14610, 14621, 14638, 14645, 14648, > 14652, 14660, 14661, 14669, 14672, 14683, 14694, 14716, 14719, 14743, > 14767, 14783, 14784, 14785, 14793, 14796, 14797, 14801, 14803, 14805, > 14807, 14811, 14815, 14821, 14822, 14824, 14828, 14831, 14833, 14835, > 14838, 14856, 14863, 14865, 14866, 14868, 14869, 14871, 14872, 14879, > 14889, 14893, 14898, 14914. > > * Optimization of memcpy for MIPS. > > * CVE-2011-4609 svc_run() produces high cpu usage when accept fails with > EMFILE has been fixed (Bugzilla #14889). > > * The add-on ports collection is now distributed in the "ports" > subdirectory > of the main GNU C Library distribution, rather than separately. > > * Port to ARM AArch64 contributed by Linaro. > > * Support for STT_GNU_IFUNC symbols added for s390 and s390x. > Optimized versions of memcpy, memset, and memcmp added for System z10 and > zEnterprise z196. > Implemented by Andreas Krebbel. > > * The new function secure_getenv allows secure access to the environment, > returning NULL if running in a SUID/SGID process. This function replaces > the internal function __secure_getenv. > > * SystemTap static probes have been added into the dynamic linker. > Implemented by Gary Benson. > > * Optimizations of string functions strstr, strcasestr and memmem. > Implemented by Maxim Kuvyrkov. > > * The minimum Linux kernel version that this version of the GNU C Library > can be used with is 2.6.16. > > * Optimizations of string functions memchr, wcschr, wcscpy, and wcsrchr for > powerpc POWER7. Implemented by Will Schmidt. > > * New configure option --disable-nscd builds the C library such that it > never attempts to contact the Name Service Caching Daemon (nscd). > New configure option --disable-build-nscd avoids building nscd itself; > this is the default if --disable-nscd is used. > > * Improved support for cross-compilation, including cross-testing and > bootstrap builds without a previously built glibc. > > * Several testsuite tests are now able to test multiple IFUNC variants of > an > interface, rather than just testing the one that would be chooen by > default. > > * New configure options --with-bugurl and --with-pkgversion, for > distributors to use to embed their bug-reporting and package version > information in --help and --version output. > > * The ttyname and ttyname_r functions on Linux now fall back to searching > for > the tty file descriptor in /dev/pts or /dev if /proc is not available. > This > allows creation of chroots without the procfs mounted on /proc. > > * The `crypt' function now fails if passed salt bytes that violate the > specification for those values. On Linux, the `crypt' function will > consult /proc/sys/crypto/fips_enabled to determine if "FIPS mode" is > enabled, and fail on encrypted strings using the MD5 or DES algorithm > when the mode is enabled. > > * The `clock_*' suite of functions (declared in ) is now available > directly in the main C library. Previously it was necessary to link with > -lrt to use these functions. This change has the effect that a > single-threaded program that uses a function such as `clock_gettime' (and > is not linked with -lrt) will no longer implicitly load the pthreads > library at runtime and so will not suffer the overheads associated with > multi-thread support in other code such as the C++ runtime library. > > * New locales: ayc_PE, doi_IN, ia_FR, mni_IN, nhn_MX, niu_NU, niu_NZ, > sat_IN, and szl_PL. > > Contributors > ============ > > This release was made possible by the contributions of many people. > The maintainers are grateful to everyone who has contributed > changes or bug reports. These include: > > Adam Conrad > Adhemerval Zanella > Alan Modra > Alexander Kanevskiy > Alexandre Oliva > Allan McRae > Andreas Jaeger > Andreas Krebbel > Andreas Schwab > Andrej Lajovic > Andrew Haley > Andrew Stubbs > Aurelien Jarno > Benno Schulenberg > Brendan Kehoe > Carlos O'Donell > Chandrakala Chavva > Chris Leonard > Chris Metcalf > Daniel Gutson > Daniel Jacobowitz > David Alan Gilbert > David S. Miller > Dmitry V. Levin > Eagle Burkut > Florian Pritz > Florian Weimer > GOTO Masanori > Gary Benson > Greg McGary > Guido Guenther > H.J. Lu > Jakub Jelinek > Jeff Bailey > Jeff Law > Jeroen van Bemmel > Jim Blandy > Jim Meyering > John Tobey > Jonathan Nieder > Joseph Myers > Julian Brown > Ken Werner > Khem Raj > Konstantinos Margaritis > Liubov Dmitrieva > Luis Machado > Manjunath Matti > Marcus Shawcroft > Marek Polacek > Mark Salter > Marko Myllynen > Markus Trippelsdorf > Matt Turner > Maxim Kuvyrkov > Michael Cree > Michael Hope > Mike Frysinger > Mike Hommey > Mischa Jonker > Nathan Froyd > Nathan Sidwell > Nik Kalach > Paul Brook > Paul Eggert > Peng Haitao > Petar Jovanovic > Peter Green > Petr Machata > Phil Blundell > Philip Blundell > Pino Toscano > Pravin Satpute > Ramana Radhakrishnan > Richard Henderson > Richard Sandiford > Robert Millan > Roland McGrath > Ryan S. Arnold > Ryosei Takagi > Samuel Thibault > Sebastan Andrzej Siewior > Siddhesh Poyarekar > Steve Ellcey > Steve McIntyre > Thomas Bushnell, BSG > Thomas Schwinge > Thorsten Glaser > Tom de Vries > Torbjorn Granlund > Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho > Ulrich Drepper > Ulrich Weigand > Viju Vincent > Will Schmidt > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 15:10:14 2012 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:10:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: dead wifi module? Message-ID: <1356811814.38594.YahooMailClassic@web163404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Happy New Year list. It would appear that the wifi module on my XO-1.5 gave up. Linux does not find it and OFW shows "No selftest method for /wlan (full error attached). Do I need a new wifi module or there is something that I could try before that? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WIFI_OFW_error.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 215578 bytes Desc: not available URL: From quozl at laptop.org Sat Dec 29 15:30:14 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:30:14 +1100 Subject: dead wifi module? In-Reply-To: <1356811814.38594.YahooMailClassic@web163404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1356811814.38594.YahooMailClassic@web163404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20121229203014.GA16521@us.netrek.org> Looks dead to me. I suggest: 1. remove external power cable and battery for five minutes, then test again, 2. remove and reseat the wireless card, (taking care with electrostatic discharge risk), 3. try another wireless card from another XO-1.5 or XO-1.75 or XO-4. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:10:14PM -0800, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > Happy New Year list. > It would appear that the wifi module on my XO-1.5 gave up. > Linux does not find it and OFW shows "No selftest method for /wlan (full error attached). > Do I need a new wifi module or there is something that I could try before that? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel at lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ From dsd at laptop.org Sun Dec 30 07:42:47 2012 From: dsd at laptop.org (Daniel Drake) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:42:47 +0000 Subject: 13.1.0 release candidate 2 (build 21) released Message-ID: Hi, We're pleased to announce the next release candidate of our new 13.1.0 software release. Information and installation instructions can be found here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.1.0 Quick links for those who know which files need to be grabbed and save to USB disks: http://download.laptop.org/xo-4/os/candidate/13.1.0-21/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.75/os/candidate/13.1.0-21/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.5/os/candidate/13.1.0-21/ http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/13.1.0-21/ This is a signed release candidate that can be installed on all XOs, even those with security enabled. We're looking for testing and feedback on all aspects of the system. Thanks for any help you can offer, and for all the feedback that was received throughout development. Our scheduled release date is January 7th. Please review the "Known problems" section of the release notes. Some documented issues are carried over from previous releases, but others are new and are things that we will aim to fix in the few weeks before release. This build now enables XO-4 idle suspend by default. This is still a work in progress, there are still various instabilities which may make this build feel more unstable than previous ones. You can disable automatic power management in sugar's Settings panel to restore previous behaviour. Compared to the previous release candidate, we have fixed: Paint no longer leaks memory when using the flood fill tool (SL#4334) and the color picker picks up the right color (SL#4333). TurtleArt-169 fixes a memory leak causing crashes particularly on XO-1 (SL#4346, SL#3291). The update to sugar-0.98.3 and sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.98.3 means that the clipboard functionality is working again (SL#4307) but there is still an issue with the pop-up palette menus in the clipboard frame. Write-85 also has a copy/paste fix (SL#4130). powerd-106 enables XO-4 idle-suspend and fixes outdoor light sensing (#12243), and the latest XO-4 kernel brings in recent suspend/resume work. Thanks! From mavrothal at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 12:55:26 2012 From: mavrothal at yahoo.com (Yioryos Asprobounitis) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: dead wifi module? [Devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 34] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1356890126.45960.YahooMailClassic@web163401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > Looks dead to me.  I suggest: > > 1.  remove external power cable and battery for five > minutes, then > test again, > > 2.  remove and reseat the wireless card, (taking care > with > electrostatic discharge risk), Tried 1 and 2 with no success. Unfortunatelly I do not have my other XOs with me right now test 3 but looks pretty gone. Tried to locate a sales point for 88w8686 sdio module but the only one I found [1] looks nothing like the XO's one. iLovemyXO also does not appear to have it. Are these available only through OLPC? Thanks [1] http://tinyurl.com/bggrokh > > 3.  try another wireless card from another XO-1.5 or > XO-1.75 or XO-4. > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:10:14PM -0800, Yioryos > Asprobounitis wrote: > > Happy New Year list. > > It would appear that the wifi module on my XO-1.5 gave > up. > > Linux does not find it and OFW shows "No selftest > method for /wlan (full error attached). > > Do I need a new wifi module or there is something that > I could try before that? > > Thanks > From wad at laptop.org Sun Dec 30 23:53:14 2012 From: wad at laptop.org (John Watlington) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:53:14 -0500 Subject: dead wifi module? [Devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 34] In-Reply-To: <1356890126.45960.YahooMailClassic@web163401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1356890126.45960.YahooMailClassic@web163401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D9A3FB8-79D6-4B64-993D-56388215D8CB@laptop.org> On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: >> Looks dead to me. I suggest: >> >> 1. remove external power cable and battery for five >> minutes, then test again, >> >> 2. remove and reseat the wireless card, (taking care >> with electrostatic discharge risk), > > Tried 1 and 2 with no success. Unfortunatelly I do not have my other XOs with me right now test 3 but looks pretty gone. > > Tried to locate a sales point for 88w8686 sdio module but the only one I found [1] looks nothing like the XO's one. > iLovemyXO also does not appear to have it. > Are these available only through OLPC? Possibly. Their sale to other companies is encouraged, but as the SDIO interface is generally only available in soldered-down modules they were manufactured for OLPC. They also take advantage of +1.8V SDIO signaling and efficient +1.8V power supplies on the motherboard to save power. For failure analysis reasons, can you verify the vintage of the 8686 card ? The serial number of the laptop it came in should be sufficient. If it is a developer unit, contact me off list with a shipping address. I keep a few on hand for use with new motherboards. Cheers, wad From quozl at laptop.org Mon Dec 31 22:12:49 2012 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:12:49 +1100 Subject: 13.1.0 release candidate 2 (build 21) released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130101031249.GB14289@us.netrek.org> XO-4 olpc-update 13.1.0c_xo4-21 ... worked fine here. -- It took 58 minutes and consumed 28 MB. Most of the time was spent waiting for rsync connection setup, once for each directory. The internet service connection was tested afterwards, and downloaded 28 MB in 55 seconds from download.laptop.org. Therefore olpc-update remains time inefficient for me. ;-} -- An rsync of the .zd file is one option I use for reducing the download time and data consumption. Using a copy of the previous build file 31020o4.zd an rsync of 31021o4.zd consumes only 495 MB instead of 790 MB. Odd there is so much saving given that there is no attempt in our build to place files in the same area of the disk image from build to build. A pity download.laptop.org and build.laptop.org do not provide rsync access. I use rsync over SSH instead. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/