Devel Digest, Vol 66, Issue 22
Luya
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Mon Aug 8 19:42:24 EDT 2011
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> 1. Re: C\C++ & SDL (James Cameron)
> 2. Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files
> (Aleksey Lim)
> 3. RE: C\C++ & SDL (mustafa nematallah)
> 4. RE: C\C++ & SDL (mustafa nematallah)
> 5. Re: C\C++ & SDL (Paul Fox)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:43:28 +1000
>From: James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>
>To: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>Cc: devel at lists.laptop.org
>Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
>Message-ID: <20110808214328.GD636 at us.netrek.org>
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>It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so
>we'll get to know you better.
>
>You wrote:
>> i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory
>> controllers or not ???
>
>No, not really. A memory controller is included.
>
>--
>James Cameron
>http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:52:58 +0000
>From: Aleksey Lim <alsroot at activitycentral.org>
>To: Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com>
>Cc: OLPC Devel <devel at lists.laptop.org>, Sugar-dev Devel
> <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Attn maintainers Re:Pootle and POT files
>Message-ID: <20110808095258.GB21677 at antilopa-gnu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> There is a widely held belief that Pootle takes care of updating the
>> POT files in git and updating the Templates on Poolte. This is not
>> entirely accurate.
>>
>> The fact is that there is nothing in the Pootle code itself that does
>> this automatically. This automagical updating used to occur, but it
>> was handled by scripts that Sayamindu had created to make it occur.
>> These scripts have not been functioning for some time, probably since
>> the last Pootle upgrade. We will look at re-establishing this
>> functionality in conjunction with an upcoming upgrade of the Pootle
>> version, but for now, if a developer makes UI string changes it is
>> necessary for them to regenerate the POT file and commit it to git and
>> then notify the Translation Team (me) to pull the changes up to Pootle
>> with a Template "Upgrade from VCS" where they can then be distributed
>> to languages with an "Update from templates".
>
>That might be too messy..
>
>ie, if pootle was handling this sort of things in auto mode, then, for
>sometime, all activity devs need to take care on theirs own, then pootle
>will back to processing in auto mode..
>It sounds more problematically especially for honey (fructose is more
>centralized but even there we might have problems with in-time .pot
>updates).
>
>What about handling these .pot updates out-of-pootle and do not bother
>activity devs? If you give me a list of repos (I guess some kind of
>pootle config), I can setup regular .pot updates for git repos.
>
>--
>Aleksey
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:52:59 +0200
>From: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>To: <quozl at laptop.org>, <devel at lists.laptop.org>
>Subject: RE: C\C++ & SDL
>Message-ID: <BLU151-W2859AE6A1EF4F6DEB94975EE210 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
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>
>> It's great to see you involved, please continue to ask questions, so
>> we'll get to know you better.
>
>
>OK so is this irony or are you the first guy to understand me here
>
>
>>
>> You wrote:
>> > i dont know about the power do those ARM need northbridges and memory
>> > controllers or not ???
>>
>> No, not really. A memory controller is included.
>>
>> --
>> James Cameron
>> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
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>Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:57:33 +0200
>From: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>To: <gonzalo at laptop.org>, <devel at lists.laptop.org>
>Subject: RE: C\C++ & SDL
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>well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot
>
>
>i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming
>
>
>
>i am not an expert but i'd like to start
>
>
>I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB)
>
>
>i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that
>
>
>and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you with my e-mails)
>
>Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300
>Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
>From: gonzalo at laptop.org
>To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
>CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
>
>Is very difficult to know what you know and what not,
>what environment do you have, and what yo want to do.
>If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install
>a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page
>
>and tell us what are your plans.
>We can help you, but you must do the right questions
>http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>Gonzalo
>
>
>
>2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project
>
>
>a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc...
>
>
>
>
>Thank you
>
>Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300
>Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
>From: gonzalo at laptop.org
>
>To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
>CC: pgf at laptop.org; devel at lists.laptop.org
>
>
>Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending,
>like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement.
>The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed.
>
>
>Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task.
>If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened.
>We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html
>
>
>to see the tickets pending by activity.
>If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list,
>the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made.
>
>
>Is this useful for you?
>Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :)
>
>Gonzalo
>
>
>
>2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help
>
>
>> To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
>
>> Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
>> From: pgf at laptop.org
>> CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
>> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400
>
>
>>
>> mustafa wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> >
>> > well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming
>> > must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more
>
>
>> > more people must learn programming, searching, word processing,
>> > etc.....
>> >
>> >
>> > please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with
>> > them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them
>
>
>>
>> Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring
>> to. i'm sure you can find more information on them
> on your own.
>>
>> >
>> > and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs
>> > teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff
>>
>> Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python.
>
>
>>
>> > and we can do both things just some people can improve physics
>> > things while others increase support for programming languages
>>
>> you seem to feel that increased support for programming education
>
>
>> on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you
>> get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more
>
>
>> > important than literature and unimportant stuff like that)
>>
>> i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being
>> a troll.
>>
>> paul
>>
>&
> g
> t; >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
>> > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
>
>
>> > > From: pgf at laptop.org
>> > > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
>> > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400
>
>
>> > >
>> > > mustafa wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a
>> > > > couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be
>
>
>> > > > great so kids can learn programming
>> > >
>> > > contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC
>> > > project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to
>
>
>> > > help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with
>> > > computing, is one small part of an education that includes l
> e
> arning to
>> > > read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or
>> > > biology, or..., or..., or...
>> > >
>> > > the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as
>
>
>> > > Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java,
>> > > whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see
>> > > Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool
>
>
>> > > than support for more computer languages.
>> > >
>> > > paul
>> > > =---------------------
>> > > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
>
>
>> >
>> =---------------------
>> paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
>
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>Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:03:20 -0400
>From: Paul Fox <pgf at laptop.org>
>To: mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
>Cc: devel at lists.laptop.org
>Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
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>mustafa wrote:
> >
> > well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot
> >
> >
> > i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming
> >
> >
> >
> > i am not an expert but i'd like to start
> >
> >
> > I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB)
> >
> >
> > i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that
> >
> >
> > and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you with my e-mails)
>
>mustafa --
>
>we really do welcome you, and hope you can find a way to contribute.
>
>this is a very big mailing list, and the OLPC and Sugar projects are
>very big projects. we're suggesting that you should help us help you,
>by asking specific questions about specific tasks that you might be
>interested in working on. that will work better than asking hundreds
>of people how you can help, when we don't know anything about your
>interests.
>
>(and remember, you didn't start by asking questions at all -- you started
>by announcing that we need to support more programming languages.)
>
>paul
>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300
> > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
> > From: gonzalo at laptop.org
> > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
> > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
> >
> > Is very difficult to know what you know and what not,
> > what environment do you have, and what yo want to do.
> > If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install
> > a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page
> >
> > and tell us what are your plans.
> > We can help you, but you must do the right questions
> > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >
> > Gonzalo
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project
> >
> >
> > a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300
> > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
> > From: gonzalo at laptop.org
> >
> > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
> > CC: pgf at laptop.org; devel at lists.laptop.org
> >
> >
> > Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending,
> > like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement.
> > The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed.
> >
> >
> > Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task.
> > If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened.
> > We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html
> >
> >
> > to see the tickets pending by activity.
> > If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list,
> > the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made.
> >
> >
> > Is this useful for you?
> > Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :)
> >
> > Gonzalo
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help
> >
> >
> > > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
> >
> > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
> > > From: pgf at laptop.org
> > > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
> > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mustafa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming
> > > > must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more
> >
> >
> > > > more people must learn programming, searching, word processing,
> > > > etc.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with
> > > > them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring
> > > to. i'm sure you can find more information on them
> > on your own.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs
> > > > teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff
> > >
> > > Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > and we can do both things just some people can improve physics
> > > > things while others increase support for programming languages
> > >
> > > you seem to feel that increased support for programming education
> >
> >
> > > on the XO is extremely important. i heartily recommend that you
> > > get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more
> >
> >
> > > > important than literature and unimportant stuff like that)
> > >
> > > i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being
> > > a troll.
> > >
> > > paul
> > >
> > &
> > g
> > t; >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
> >
> >
> > > > > From: pgf at laptop.org
> > > > > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
> > > > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > mustafa wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a
> > > > > > couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be
> >
> >
> > > > > > great so kids can learn programming
> > > > >
> > > > > contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC
> > > > > project overall, is not to teach kids programming. the goal is to
> >
> >
> > > > > help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with
> > > > > computing, is one small part of an education that includes l
> > e
> > arning to
> > > > > read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or
> > > > > biology, or..., or..., or...
> > > > >
> > > > > the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as
> >
> >
> > > > > Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java,
> > > > > whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar. i'd rather see
> > > > > Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool
> >
> >
> > > > > than support for more computer languages.
> > > > >
> > > > > paul
> > > > > =---------------------
> > > > > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > =---------------------
> > > paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
> >
> >
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