C\C++ & SDL

Paul Fox pgf at laptop.org
Mon Aug 8 19:03:20 EDT 2011 

mustafa wrote:
 > 
 > well i have windows and am planning to transfuse to linux in a really short time (shortage of games on linux makes this harder) i've used linux a lot
 > 
 > 
 > i use netbeans (and sometimes C::B) for C++ programming
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > i am not an expert but i'd like to start
 > 
 > 
 > I've used sugar on Virtual Box with 512 MB of memory but it is very slow (i have 4GB)
 > 
 > 
 > i still haven't investigated much in sugar but i'm working on that
 > 
 > 
 > and what is this really really long FAQ (is this for me to stop bugging you with my e-mails)

mustafa --

we really do welcome you, and hope you can find a way to contribute. 

this is a very big mailing list, and the OLPC and Sugar projects are
very big projects.  we're suggesting that you should help us help you,
by asking specific questions about specific tasks that you might be
interested in working on.  that will work better than asking hundreds
of people how you can help, when we don't know anything about your
interests.

(and remember, you didn't start by asking questions at all -- you started
by announcing that we need to support more programming languages.)

paul

 > 
 > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:40:30 -0300
 > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
 > From: gonzalo at laptop.org
 > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
 > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
 > 
 > Is very difficult to know what you know and what not,
 > what environment do you have, and what yo want to do.
 > If you really want participate, take time to look at the different alternatives to install
 > a working Sugar, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads/Landing_page
 > 
 > and tell us what are your plans.
 > We can help you, but you must do the right questions
 > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
 > 
 > Gonzalo
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > come on man do i have to say a thousand times that i dont know how to do most of that as this is my first time to try to support an open source project
 > 
 > 
 > a little help with how to fix bugs or send patches , etc...
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Thank you
 > 
 > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:20:36 -0300
 > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
 > From: gonzalo at laptop.org
 > 
 > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
 > CC: pgf at laptop.org; devel at lists.laptop.org
 > 
 > 
 > Probably the best way, will be start helping with one of the many tasks we already know there are pending,
 > like fixing a bug or implementing a improvement.
 > The community is very active, but there are not so much hands as needed.
 > 
 > 
 > Do you have a working Sugar environment? This is your first task.
 > If is already done, I suggest you take one activity and look for the bugs opened.
 > We have two different trac instances in use, for historical reasons, then I use a index page http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/bugs_index.html
 > 
 > 
 > to see the tickets pending by activity.
 > If you found a task you want implement, send a mail a sugar-devel mailing list, 
 > the maintainer can help you to check if is correct, he knows the code and the design decisions made.
 > 
 > 
 > Is this useful for you?
 > Are you looking for C/C++ tasks? Most of the Sugar code is python, but may be we can found you anything to do :)
 > 
 > Gonzalo
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 2011/8/8 mustafa nematallah <ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com>
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > its the First time i try to help with an Open source project so i need more help 
 > 
 > 
 > > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
 > 
 > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
 > > From: pgf at laptop.org
 > > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
 > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:31:06 -0400
 > 
 > 
 > > 
 > > mustafa wrote:
 > >  > 
 > >  > Hi
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > well children can learn all those stuff at school but programming
 > >  > must be done on a computer and as technology affects our life more
 > 
 > 
 > >  > more people must learn programming, searching, word processing,
 > >  > etc.....
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > please tell me about those activity IDEs and how to compile with
 > >  > them on OLPC and can a simple child easily get and use them
 > 
 > 
 > > 
 > > Etoys, TurtleArt, Scratch, and Pippy are the activities i was referring
 > > to.  i'm sure you can find more information on them
 >   on your own.
 > > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > and about physics if more people know how to program OLPC XOs
 > >  > teachers (and maybe physics experts) can help program physics stuff
 > > 
 > > Physics, like most Sugar activities, is written in python.
 > 
 > 
 > > 
 > >  > and we can do both things just some people can improve physics
 > >  > things while others increase support for programming languages
 > > 
 > > you seem to feel that increased support for programming education
 > 
 > 
 > > on the XO is extremely important.  i heartily recommend that you
 > > get involved, and help create what it is you think is needed.
 > > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > BTW I love physics and i think it should be better (it's more
 > 
 > 
 > >  > important than literature and unimportant stuff like that)
 > > 
 > > i confess, with comment like that i'm starting to suspect you of being
 > > a troll.
 > > 
 > > paul
 > > 
 > &
 >  g
 >  t;  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  > > To: ahmed_nematallah at hotmail.com
 > >  > > Subject: Re: C\C++ & SDL
 > 
 > 
 > >  > > From: pgf at laptop.org
 > >  > > CC: devel at lists.laptop.org
 > >  > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:43:56 -0400
 > 
 > 
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > mustafa wrote:
 > >  > >  > 
 > >  > >  > a C++, python, C, Java, vala, Scala, (maybe C# too) ide with a
 > >  > >  > couple of tuts for each language bundled with the OLPC XO will be
 > 
 > 
 > >  > >  > great so kids can learn programming
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > contrary to what some believe, the goal of the XO, and the OLPC
 > >  > > project overall, is not to teach kids programming.  the goal is to
 > 
 > 
 > >  > > help kids learn _lots_ of things -- programming, and familiarity with
 > >  > > computing, is one small part of an education that includes l
 >  e
 >  arning to
 > >  > > read, to write, to do math, to understand geography, or astronomy, or
 > >  > > biology, or..., or..., or...
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > the XO already support 4 (to my knowledge) programming environments as
 > 
 > 
 > >  > > Activities, and as others have said, more languages (C++, java,
 > >  > > whatever) are readily installable, if not under sugar.  i'd rather see
 > >  > > Physics, for instance, become better suited as an instructional tool
 > 
 > 
 > >  > > than support for more computer languages.
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > paul
 > >  > > =---------------------
 > >  > >  paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
 > 
 > 
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