[Sugar-devel] ASLO vs. wiki.laptop.org activities (was Re: ASLO Suggestion)

David Farning dfarning at sugarlabs.org
Wed Jun 17 15:36:05 EDT 2009

The Sugar Labs Activities Portal seems to be holding up pretty well under load.

My suggestion would be to start phasing out the activities pages on w.lt.o

Possible work flow. (Some of these may have been all ready)
1.  Activity Developers - Start marking which Sugar version activities
versions will work.  This is already part of the ASLO update
mechanism.  It is how mozilla insures that update find to latest addon
activity works which works with a given browser version.

2.  Core Sugar developers - Ensure that browser is reporting the
correct version of Sugar to aslo.  Configure Sugar to update from aslo
by default in .84 or .86.

3.  OLPC/Deploments update installed the update mechanism in existing
deployments as it becomes feasible.  Continue to redirect activity
pages from w.lt.o to aslo as the aslo pages come on line.

This biggest issues that this change involves a compatibility break
between the using wiki pages and ASLO to serve activities.  No one
likes compatibility breaks.

The first consensus point would be that aslo is the future activity
distribution mechanism.

>From there, it becomes _the_entire_communities'_ responsibility to
make ASLO compelling enough that future and existing deployments and
deploying organizations use it by default.

If any specific deployment organization wants to retain the wiki base
update mechanism it is up to them to maintain it.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:53 AM, S Page<skierpage at gmail.com> wrote:
> [I removed some cc'd lists of which I'm not a member]
> Summary: Replacing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with
>    {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
> sounds great to me.
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> OLPC has their list (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All) and we
>> need to get that page to link to ASLO ...
> I added a bullet to this and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities :
> * http://activities.sugarlabs.org has lots of activities for recent
> versions of the [[Sugar]] environment, ''some'' of which may work on
> OLPC [[builds]].
>> ..., the information there is uneven
>> (contains some stillborn/abandonware).
> The current split organization is a mess and duplication provides
> twice as many opportunities to be wrong.  There's a dozen other lists
> of "all activities" on wiki.laptop.org besides the Activities/All
> page, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_queries , killing off
> some isn't going to hurt.  So just be brave and change it to
> {{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
>> Perhaps the easiest fix would
>> be to link from each Activity position on that page to that Activity's
>> ASLO page;
> Sure, you could replace the fancy activity descriptions on
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with a simple link to their
> ASLO page.
>> people searching the Activity population would quickly
>> understand the different/parallel nature of the OLPC page and ASLO.
> If you can understand it, please explain it ;-)   Activities/All
> claims "This is a list of all stable Activities  that can be installed
> in the latest Sugar.", but
> * they are NOT all getting updated
> * "latest Sugar" meaning what?  OLPC doesn't ship latest Sugar.
>> As
>> far as I know, there aren't any issues with the very latest versions
>> running on XO-1s, would I be correct in assuming this?
> You're incorrect.  Sugar 0.84 is different from the Sugar 0.82.1 in
> OLPC release 8.2.0 and 8.2.1. I understand there are issues for
> Browse, Etoys, and Read which depend on libraries and already have
> separate "latest versions".  I assume some other activities have
> problems.  Unfortunately, most activity pages on a.sl.o and on
> wiki.laptop.org don't specify their compatibility clearly, and it's
> impossible to tell the difference between "Old version NN is still
> truly the latest version that works on OLPC's 8.2" and "Nobody's
> bloody updated this out-of-date info".
>> Or does OLPC
>> prefer to identify "known good" version, the ones updated through the
>> XO Control Panel?
> In OLPC release 8.2.0 and subsequent releases, the Software update
> control panel updates installed activities using a complex fallback
> mechanism involving *other, separate* pages such as Activities/8.2
> and/or Activities/G1G1/8.2 , see
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update .  Those subpages are where
> "known good version" info must live for Software update to work, while
> other activity pages are mostly useless out-of-date cruft. Maintaining
> all these pages is manual and complicated, see
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information , and
> for many activities it isn't happening.
> Hope this helps,
> --
> =S Page
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