setup for XO development
bobbypowers at gmail.com
Fri Oct 31 09:25:00 EDT 2008
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Michael Stone <michael at laptop.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:35:30PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
>>On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Michael Stone <michael at laptop.org> wrote:
>>> Actually, for a variety of reasons, I'm working quite hard to make
>>> rainbow usable on stock linux machines like those represented by
>>> Debian and Fedora chroots.
>>Could you provide a high level comment on the feasibility of running rainbow
>>as a security mechanism on Sugar on Fedora of Debian machines without the
> Feasible, but it would go faster with some help. (The chroots are just
> for convenience so I can test both platforms in a repeatable fashion on
> a single machine.)
> In more detail:
> * I've got a new version of rainbow in the works which sits as an
> exec-wrapper around any program you want to run. I've also got
> tentative sugar patches for making sugar use this rainbow.
> * When invoked, rainbow generates new credentials (e.g. uid, gid) if
> necessary, assumes its new identity, sets any requested rlimits,
> closes filedescriptors, and hands over control to the program of your
> * The user and group manipulation is accomplished by manipulating
> some files in a spool directory at the location of your choice; a
> separate glibc NSS module reads this information and returns it
> through the standard libc apis on demand.
> * Human operators assume the authority necessary to perform this
> operation by means of a setuid helper, e.g. sudo.
> This design makes it eminently feasible to port to any glibc-based Unix
> platform and, with a bit more care, to any POSIX platform on which we
> know how to make new users and groups and are permitted to assume their
> a) the implementation is not yet capable of isolating multiple human
> operators from one another, though I expect to implement this
> functionality in the not-too-distant-future.
> b) the implementation provides nothing more and nothing less than the
> isolation provided by running programs under fresh uids and gids. Many
> sorts of mischief are still possible, particularly on systems which
> set lax default permissions on user home directories (e.g. Debian).
> c) the implementation is quite new and is hence highly likely to
> contain bugs, unstable APIs, etc.
> d) rainbow is still written in fairly naive python and it pays the
> usual speed and memory price for this convenience. (It also uses at
> least one naive algorithm when selecting new credentials.)
> e) I have removed support for the rainbow dbus daemon since it was
> needlessly complicating my life. It remains to be seen whether
> activities' startup procedures can be sped up enough to sustain this
> For these reasons, the new implementation is still far from 'production
> quality'; however, that's no reason not to start trying it out. (Code is
> available in the 'integration' branch in the users/mstone/security and
> users/mstone/nss-rainbow repos on dev.laptop.org.)
very interesting. you mentioned working to integrate rainbow with
sugar-jhbuid. It seems like that should be using this native version.
If we're not using the d-bus daemon, would we then have to start
jhbuild with 'sudo'? Do you have any further pointers on what to look
out for when trying to integrate it into jhbuild?
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