[sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

Martin Dengler martin at martindengler.com
Thu Oct 9 21:26:31 EDT 2008

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:36:10PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> Martin, Deniz, cool it, the pair of you. No more ad hominem attacks.

Relax.  As to my "ad-hominem attacks", how is it ad-hominem to say
that someone who says something incorrect is out of touch (with the
truth/progress/etc.)?  Or say that it's annoying me if they call
others out of touch?  The former is a statement of fact relevant to
the propositions at hand, and the latter could at worst be an
irrelevant personal opinion, but in that case the correct response is
to ignore it, which I note many on the list are doing.

> You each owe the other an apology.

For disseminating up-to-date, correct information?  No.

For attempting sarcasm on the internet? Very sorry. Er, whoops, there
I go again.

> And one to Marco, too.

Eh?  Marco's great.  Why should I apologize to him for that?

> The list is not out of touch.

I tried to keep it in touch with actions.  I doubt many will be
impressed by anything else, especially mere assertions (a lady who
says she's a lady, and all that).

> There are many on the list who are ignorant of conditions on the
> ground and of other things through no fault of their own.

Yes, but most of them don't go calling the list out of touch.

> Now shake hands and come out arguing about facts, needs, and
> possibilities.

I argued about the facts.  And I'm not good at meta-discussions, so
perhaps I'm missing some other point of yours.


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