[sugar] Sugar USB testing

Walter Bender walter.bender at gmail.com
Wed Oct 8 08:05:51 EDT 2008

Maybe you could rephrase you call for a show of hands: raise your left
hand if you regularly use Sugar on an XO; raise your right hand if you
use regularly Sugar on other hardware. Clap your hands if you use
Sugar more than a standard WM.

Now listen to the sound of one hand clapping (the right hand)!!


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:02 PM,  <pgf at laptop.org> wrote:
> marco pesenti gritti wrote:
>  > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > CCing the Sugar list.
> and adding devel.
>  > >
>  > > It seems that one of the problems we will be encountering with generic
>  > > spins is footprint. Even a standard Ubuntu without Sugar was seeming
>  > > too fat to load from a LiveCD on a Pentium 4 with 256K of DRAM.
>  >
>  > I'm planning to dogfood the Fedora LiveUSB and I'll have a look to
>  > memory usage while doing so. In principle, unless there are relevant
>  > memory costs given by running on a LiveUSB, I'd expect it to work
>  > decently.
> i've been curious for a while -- can we have a show of hands for
> how many people dogfood the existing XO s/w?
> for my part, i don't, to the extent that i yum-install xfce and
> run that.  so there's little memory pressure, and i don't run
> activities, nor networkmanager.  but i'm still running the kernel
> and most of the system software.  i can quickly switch to running
> sugar, and i do, when i discover something that i think needs
> investigating on a more "real" installation.  i think even my
> limited "dogfooding" has been useful -- the bugs i've found or
> helped diagnose have tended to be power management issues, and
> some yum package management issues.
> i _really_ think we need to make the XO base _and_ sugar be a
> place that developers are comfortable living in.  our needs
> aren't quite the same as a school kid's, but i think there's a
> much bigger overlap than we often think.  with the advent of the
> fedora spin we're going to lose xo/sugar mindshare among our
> g1g1 and development users [1], and i think we need to think
> seriously about taking up that slack.  even if that means adding
> some "poweruser"-centric features which a grade-schooler would
> probably never use, it's worth considering, in return for the
> increased focus, and yes, discomfort it may cause.
> paul
> [1] but i think we'll gain in overall project mindshare, so in net
> i'm in favor of it.
> =---------------------
>  paul fox, pgf at laptop.org
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Walter Bender
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